Arizona immigration law

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Originally Posted by Bonny

Cataholic & Caseysmom, I live in the real world. DO YOU?

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My world is so real it is scary at times. I strive every day to lay aside the prejudices, the hate, the bigotry, the "isms". It is hard work, but it is worthwhile. I do not refer to people by their ethnic or religious ties, their body shapes, colours, disabilities, etc. They are people. They live and they die and do a whole lot of other stuff inbetween. Maybe some of it is bad, good or immaterial. My job is to police myself and my young son, and our ever growing populus of four legged companions. Frankly, I don't have time to do much else. I am not PC, I call a spade a spade, and I call you out on your bigotted post. Usually, bigotry is born of fear and ignorance. Perhaps you are different. As I said, I don't know you from Adam.

I read where Arizona is getting rid of any teacher with an accent.:confused:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ans...hers-remo.html

Racism is not allowed on Pet Talk, people, remember. One can discuss the issue of immigration without painting entire groups of people with a negative light.

Lady's, Catholic, I don't know either of you. So that makes us even. We had the biggest raid in US history in our area & I was sharing the facts with all of you. Then you come along & call me a bigot The drugs come from this months National Geographic & was is now going on in Mexico. I was sharing that with you. This discussion is now closed.

Wombat, They don't wear somberos anymore. They are hot & heavy hats, the straw hats are in.;)

See the PM I sent you, please.

Karen, I did!

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Originally Posted by Karen

Racism is not allowed on Pet Talk, people, remember. One can discuss the issue of immigration without painting entire groups of people with a negative light.

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Thank you Karen, unfortunately racism is alive and well out in the real world:(

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Originally Posted by Bonny

They don't wear somberos anymore. They are hot & heavy hats, the straw hats are in.;)

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and apparently you know me very well.. I´m MEXICAN.. and even if I weren´t I do not like your remarks.. and that´s all I am gonna say to you as I don´t have the necessity of being rude and I have much more respect for others..bye

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

Yeah, but you could put signs up saying "Please do not climb or dig under fence" :cool:

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Naw, that wouldn't work unless you could post it in every language known to man. Not all people know English after all. :love:

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Originally Posted by Bonny

Lady's, Catholic, I don't know either of you. So that makes us even. We had the biggest raid in US history in our area & I was sharing the facts with all of you. Then you come along & call me a bigot The drugs come from this months National Geographic & was is now going on in Mexico. I was sharing that with you. This discussion is now closed.

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The religion of the people hiring your local illegals has absolutely nothing to do with the issues. It's a classic bigoted slam. Like Cataholic, I call a spade a spade, though I do temper my language most of the time in deference to the Mayor.

Drugs come in from many routes. Canada, Mexico, Providence, RI, any seaport with a decent sized container terminal will do, and there's still the ever popular drug mule route for the more expensive drugs. It isn't a Mexican problem, it's a national problem in the US, and a region wide issue as a whole.

One more time. It is a religious issue. It was a Kosher Meat Packing Plant. I will tell you what they do to make the meat Kosher. It is part of their religion. They slit of the throat of the cattle & let them bleed out naturally. They say special prayers. But in the mean time they are hiring illegals, have Hispanic children working in the plant, dumping sewage into local streams, you name it they did it. They were dishonest & didn't obey the law & got caught.

I still don't understand what the religion had to do with it a business hiring illegals is a business hiring illegals. If it was some white guys making paper cups would you have said, some white guys making paper cups?

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

I still don't understand what the religion had to do with it a business hiring illegals is a business hiring illegals. If it was some white guys making paper cups would you have said, some white guys making paper cups?

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Nope. It would be some white breads, or crackers, making paper cups. Those dern methodists!

No, because that wouldn't bring the same special tinge to the issue that the plant owners being "jews" does.

Just because it's a Kosher slaughterhouse doesn't mean that the owners are Jewish.

The plant I worked for after I got out of the Army made Kosher products......and the owners were an Irish Catholic family.

(Oops, there I go, bringing the Catholics into this! :p)

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Originally Posted by Bonny

One more time. It is a religious issue. It was a Kosher Meat Packing Plant. I will tell you what they do to make the meat Kosher. It is part of their religion. They slit of the throat of the cattle & let them bleed out naturally. They say special prayers. But in the mean time they are hiring illegals, have Hispanic children working in the plant, dumping sewage into local streams, you name it they did it. They were dishonest & didn't obey the law & got caught.

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You seem to be offended by how Kosher meat is slaughtered, have you ever been to a good ole all american slaughterhouse?

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

No, because that wouldn't bring the same special tinge to the issue that the plant owners being "jews" does.

Just because it's a Kosher slaughterhouse doesn't mean that the owners are Jewish.

The plant I worked for after I got out of the Army made Kosher products......and the owners were an Irish Catholic family.

(Oops, there I go, bringing the Catholics into this! :p)

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Those dern Catholics! LOL.

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

No, because that wouldn't bring the same special tinge to the issue that the plant owners being "jews" does.

Just because it's a Kosher slaughterhouse doesn't mean that the owners are Jewish.

The plant I worked for after I got out of the Army made Kosher products......and the owners were an Irish Catholic family.

(Oops, there I go, bringing the Catholics into this! :p)

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... and those IRISH... we all know what THEY'RE like!

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Originally Posted by phesina

... and those IRISH... we all know what THEY'RE like!

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Hey now, don't go trashing the Irish or I'll be very upset.:D

I would say the white guys making paper cups. Yes! How would I describe them Honkies, Kringos, Infidals. I am Catholic too. You could say those Germans, Irish, Canadians, French, Lutherans, Spanish. The Amish call us the English around here. I guess what gets me about the whole Jewish/Hispanic thing is one group of people taking advantage of another & to me treating them like slaves & getting by so many years with this. The churches around this area have taken up collections, to send to the Mexican/Hispanic families that were sent back to Mexico. We supported the families with food, & other needs while the illegal workers were sent off to jail. Gods Chosen People didn't left a hand through all this, it was left to the Christians. Not all Jewish Communities are like this but this one knew what they were doing to the Mexicans/Hispanics & it was wrong.

To quote a wise pettalker...."just put down the shovel"

Caseysmom, Spoken By A True Californian

I am going to step back and laugh.

You all are worried about some brown people that have shown up in the country. For or against? I have no problem with either side, it's all opinion.


I would just like to ask you all to pay attention to the other "alien problem" we are having.


I COULD toss out a cheesy Star Wars/alien joke and I will.....


Does anyone remember the Sand People on Tattooine?:rolleyes:

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WE HAVE TO seal our border to the south.

One interesting thing that I noticed before and some people, smarter than I, have commented on?

Arabs and some Latinos look almost identical in their physical characteristics.

There is a concern that some middle eastern terrorists/idiots will try to sneak into Mexico and just walk across the border to get in, undetected.

Plug these words into your search engine-terrorists, mexico, sneak- the columns/stories are a few years old, but, who ever said these morons were impatient?

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So, as it goes on Tattooine, it goes on the planet Earth. Why are people out in the desert so off the hook?:confused::rolleyes::mad:

I will allow you all to observe Cinco De Mayo tomorrow.

Huskymom,
Eres la mas chula, hermana.:);)



My favorite racist!

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Originally Posted by Bonny

Caseysmom, Spoken By A True Californian

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I could say a lot of things that stereotype the midwest but I know many lovely people form there and besides they woudn't be true they would just be stereotypes which you are so fond of...put down your shovel while you are not too far in the hole.

Just want to remind everyone that there is nothing "Happy" about the Cinco De Mayo.

It's not Mexican Independence Day- It's the anny of the Battle of Puebla.

War is never 'happy'.:o

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

Just want to remind everyone that there is nothing "Happy" about the Cinco De Mayo.

It's not Mexican Independence Day- It's the anny of the Battle of Puebla.

War is never 'happy'.:o

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Then why do retail establishments, especially "Mexican" restaurants, have big "celebrate Cinco de Mayo with us!" with balloons, and flowers and silly sombrero hats for the staff?

never miss a chance to celebrate.. even if it´s for a not so happy reason..

we even have a "Taco Day".. yeah.. to celebrate.. tacos.. lol

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Originally Posted by Husky_mom

never miss a chance to celebrate.. even if it´s for a not so happy reason..

we even have a "Taco Day".. yeah.. to celebrate.. tacos.. lol

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Well, if it is okay with you, tonight, I toast you and Richard. However, it will not be a margarita...just white wine. :)

Cat and Husky,

You are correct, never pass up a chance to party!:D

Karen,

5 de 5, like St. Patty's Day, are those 'kinda' holidays?

It's kinda a celebration and a reason to go crazy.

I don't really care for the 'debauchery' of either.

Hey, go out and drink, have a good time, but don't get tossed in jail/kill a pedestrian/act stupid/burn the house down/beat your spouse....

I could be working at the moment, but the boss says "end of the day" at 1 o'clock and a cooler of beer shows up in the break room?

ME?

I want to work. Drinking beer at 1 p.m. and taking the chance of being pulled over as I stumble home, won't help me out?;):rolleyes:

As I get older I get more cynical in my outlook of life.

Every store owner dreams of a days like today. "Hey, I'll get a mariachi band and hand out sombreros and give out free tacos at the (used car) lot to bring in business!

That's just capitialism. I can handle that. It's just the inability of people-and the sponsors of sales/events tied to the date - to take a look at WHY they are partying.

Having to go to work on March 18th, hungover and trying to pass off the awkward 5 minutes that you spent with your co-worker in the parking lot is common place.

My only gripe is that people go nuts and use it as a reason to be irresponsible.;)

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Me?

I'll drink a Mexican beer, then an American beer tonight. I'll be safe at home and if I happen to have any kind of accident?

I only have myself to blame.:)


The Battle of Puebla is a Mexican military victory that should be celebrated.
We/They were always on the toe end of the boot when it came to wars.;)

If you see the mosaic/renderings of the battle, you will see and recognize the romantification of the event.

Brave young men, holding up standards in the face of enenmy gunfire!

There is a line about "history being written by the victors", and while not the "reality" version of the event, Who's gonna argue? ;)


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The BoP was a bunch of outnumbered Mexicans that kicked the larger and more organized French Army's fesses.

A win is a win?:rolleyes:;)


My only 'thing' is that people do not realize why they are drinking.

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One of the local TV stations will go to a Mex bar/restaurant and talk to a drunk blonde girl in a sombrero, who has on a half shirt, no bra and is alternating cerveza and shots of tequila while yelling, "Happeeee Shinco De Maaaayoooooooo!!!!"

The reporter will ask her, "Do you know the meaning of the CoC?"

She'll lean in to make sure the microphone will hear her and say to the talking head, "You have pretty eyes...."

Rock on!:D

When one reports facts is it bigotry? If five Russians break into a home and murder a family is it bigotry to say they are Russian? What if they were five Germans or five Irish or five Jews or blacks or French? It is not a made up story, one is not picking on a particular part of society one is simply reporting a fact. People are who they are and they did a certain deed good or bad.
If we say five Russians saved a boy from drowning is it any different to mention that they are Russian? Are we profiling here as well? Are we saying the rest of the worlds people can’t swim or would not jump in to save someone?
Reporting the facts good and bad from each part of the world and each type of people is important it connects us to each other and reminds us that certain people have different cultures, we might not agree or understand but regardless they are mostly proud of themselves and what it means to be thought of as Jewish, or Christian, or Mexican, Swiss, Dutch, Turkish.
Jewish people are perhaps the best educated in the world. So am I being a bigot against all other people saying they are not educated?
And what is with Dave Chappell? Oh my goodness gosh. Have you heard that man use the ni&&er word, over and over and over again he makes fun of blacks. Who is he, why he is a black man who is so funny he makes you pee in your pants from laughing. He makes fun of his fellow black men, we laugh because there is truth in what he says. The best jokes do have truth in them. Yet no one calls him a racist. He is a really funny man who uses the F word a lot. You have to have a really great sense of humor to watch him and an open mind. Black people love him, they laugh at themselves which is great, everyone should be able to laugh at themselves.
Same with George Lopez he makes some much fun of his own race. “Mexicans love golf you know, any time they can hit something white they love it.” That is really funny.
He makes me laugh. Good guy.
Oh and Caseysmom, you are on my ignore list. Life is good.
I wish everyone a happy holiday today, I am going to have a nice drink with hubby.

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Originally Posted by Cataholic

I don't know you, and while I think I have seen your posts, I can't distinguish you from Adam. From this post alone, though, you sound nice and bigoty.

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Originally Posted by Karen

Then why do retail establishments, especially "Mexican" restaurants, have big "celebrate Cinco de Mayo with us!" with balloons, and flowers and silly sombrero hats for the staff?

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See !!! I was right. They DO all wear sombreros. :D

Wombat, your quote of the people downunder is bigoty. Shame on you for making fun of the people of Australia. Shame, shame, shame.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

See !!! I was right. They DO all wear sombreros. :D

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Originally Posted by Marigold2

Wombat, your quote of the people downunder is bigoty. Shame on you for making fun of the people of Australia. Shame, shame, shame.

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I'm sorry Monica. I didn't mean it. :D
But, I guess if being a bigot and a racist is necessary to protect ones culture.....then so be it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Marigold2

[Oh and Caseysmom, you are on my ignore list. Life is good]

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Your breaking my heart....

Caseysmom, You have broken my heart. I came on here thinking it was open to discussions & opinions. You & your friends shot me down. BANG! This is a free country, with freedom of speech. It doesn't seem to be that way here. Being negative & putting down someone just because they don't fit your line of thought is not a postive way to live life. I work with people from all over the world & have to be a good listener. I may not agree with what they say (you say) but I take it in & learn from it. My grammar may not fit your part of the world but it does not make me a bigot. :confused:

Wombat, & Marigold hang in there life is a ball & keep on dancing. :cool:

Freedom of Speech is a requirement of the government, not private parties. The GOVERNMENT cannot censor your speech. Private parties are more than able to express their displeasure with what you say.

Try removing the plank from your eye. It makes it easier to see.

Lady's Human, Your breaking my heart too. You need to be a less bias & a better listener. You walk the plank for that one.

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Originally Posted by blue

Has anybody posting in this thread actually read SB 1070?

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Yep....I have.
I can't see any reason why that Bill shouldn't be enacted. Nobody on this thread so far has come up with any solution to the problem. At least SOMETHING has been thought up by the State of Arizona....and I hope the Bill passes....I mean SOMETHING has to be done....right ???

And a couple of ladies come into this thread and voice their opinions about illegal immigration, and they are accused of racism, bigotry, comparing people to flies and heaps else. Funny that...eh ??? I've read all of the posts so far, and those two ladies seem to be the only ones here that can see a problem that is going to become worse and worse, and probably not end.

On top of all of this, you have a country that is steeped in unemployment, yet you have half a squillion illegals in the country working. You have a toppling social security and hospital system that is used and abused by illegals and your very own legals because they can't find work.
What is this ??? USA self destruct mode ???

Bonny and Marigold have both displayed to me so far that they have the country's wellbeing at heart.....the rest of you are knocking them down for that ????

Ok, I've had my say (and I'm not wearing my BS constitutional hat).

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Originally Posted by Marigold2

They are all over the place like flies, even here in upper Ohio they work in the nursery not far from where I live.
It's a disgrace to every hard working legal immigrent who came here and had to do all the paperwork and follow all the rules.
What is the problem with shooting them at the boarder with a tazer and then sending their illegal rear ends back to wench they came from?
Or sending them to jail? After all they did break the law!
And while we are at it lets revoke the anker baby crap already. If the baby is born here fine, it can stay but mom and dad, grandma and 15 cousins who don't speak English go home already. Baby can be adopted out.

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Wom...marigold said flies...nobody is falsly accusing her of saying flies...look at the first sentence. If some don't find that imflammatory then I strongly disagree and that is my right. I could care less if some bigots want to put me on ignore I will fight for equality for all people.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

Wom...marigold said flies...nobody is falsly accusing her of saying flies...look at the first sentence. If some don't find that imflammatory then I strongly disagree and that is my right. I could care less if some bigots want to put me on ignore I will fight for equality for all people.

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It is an EXPRESSION that people use...."They are swarming around us like flies"..."They are dropping like flies"...."It's raining cats and dogs"
If you take offence at that (and of course it is your right), then you are
nit-picking.

Thats your opinion. That taken along with all of the other remarks makes a pretty ugly picture in my opinion.