If you're going to cut and paste you should at least link your source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
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If you're going to cut and paste you should at least link your source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Plagiarism is dishonest. Or did you want people to think you actualy were the original author of post 76?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I urge everyone reading to look at the last few posts and tell me who
was the first to go negative with snide remarks?
^^It is the same way 99% of the time^^.
I never understood this 'thing' about posting links, sources, etc. If someone cites their 'source' to some ridiculous comment, does someone really think that beefs up the credibility of the ridiculous comment? This isn't school, no one needs to link or cite anything they post.
As for plagiarism...that comment is funny. Only claiming yourself as the author, or passing it off as your own thought, makes it plagiarism. There are probably about .002% of the population having original, first, 'virgin' thoughts. Chances are, if you thought it, so did about 500,000 other people, two weeks ago.
So if that poster jumps out of a plane without a parachute, are you going to follow suit?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
As I told my kids when they were growing up, and am telling my grandson now:
If you encounter a person or persons harassing you and trying to start trouble by what they say - just ignore them. They want a response back so they can keep it going. If you ignore them, they'll eventually get tired of a one way fight and move on to someone or something else, and leave you alone. I'm sure that many here have told their kids basically the same thing. So why can't the same be applied to what is, or is not, posted here? All that worldly advise just goes out the window, and the war of words begins.
Idiotic! :mad:
And I am not calling any person idiotic - only the childish actions of some. :(
Gosh Jo...if something is on the internet...it must be true:D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
You are exactly right. I am not writing a college paper or an article for a newspaper. If someone choses not to believe what I posted or that I wrote it or didn't write it ...doesn't mean a hill of beans.
I get tired of these czars who unilaterally establish rules that must be followed. If Karen tells me a rule - it is her website - she gets to make the rules. Other than that...whatever:rolleyes:
The McCarthyism era, mainly. Trying to see 'evil' where there is none. The whole attitude of suspecting every new concept as disturbing and something to be avoided. The idea that those who step out of the ordinary way of things should be ratted on, and that they should withdraw their presence, or have their presence withdrawn, from everyone around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Maybe my comparison is extreme. It's just what I was reminded of.
"Mc Carthyism" was a witch hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Z
The "Red Scare" of Communism in places across the planet was a real threat to the countries that were subjected to invasion, coups and Communist influence on the govenerments.
The Mac Red Scare was just a pbunch of paranoid men, with good cause, to try and keep the idea of Communism from infesting our country.
Was it right? Nope. but it's the same freak out mode that most people have had against all polticians and their ideals.
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HCR is a known evil, we see it, feel it and pay for it. IT's not a cloud of smoke we cannot put our hands around and disappears after a few seconds, like the threat of Communism IN our country at that time was.
The boob in the WH wants to slap a coat of white wash over the shiat he'll use to patch the cracks in the system. It will work until the walls get washed or humid weather shows up. Then you get the experience of having sub-standard work done on your home.
Going back to the M era? That was the start of a more 'refined' view of who the Commies were and why we did need to be scared.
I think you also had a bit of the McCarthy song and dance in your country's history? I guess you can compare it to the Religion vs. Science debates the GB of yore sponsored?;)
Not too many winners in those days.
(P.S. Check out the Salem witch hunts.)
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I worked a few years in the HC industry and way to 'fix' the system is to reform the insurance/tort/malpractice industries.
Leave the actual 'service providers' alone until you fix the boat underneath them.
For the media and elected officials to portray the people who are against the prez' reform as radicals and working against any changes is a patently stupid and dishonest bunch of horse crap.
We want the reform also, but we want a more well thought out attempt at it.
Not some half hearted and ill formed patch work fix.
I venture to say we, as all good Americans are apt to do, don't care about Canadian or Brit HC, we want our own and we want it to be affordable.
Lastly, one of the members of the Dem Party doesn't want to take on the lawyers, who make money hand over fist taking cases where they want to suck millions out of the hospitals, insurance companies, drug manufacturers, medical supply companies and finally the doctors.
IT's amazing how intelligent the people who are behind the prez and his ideas for reform. It's also amazing that the basics of the HC industry can be overlooked. The reformers only see the surface of the pond.
Any trash, muck or potential 'health hazards' stay underwater away from any prying eyes. If you want to know what's underwater you have to roll up your pant legs and go a wading.
Obama is trying to impress upon people that he and they can walk across the pond and not have to worry about any of the crap under their feet.:rolleyes:
Getting back to the President's address to school kids. I just read this -
and this -Quote:
The Florida Republican party chairman who last week accused the president of trying to “indoctrinate America’s children to his socialist agenda” now says he’ll let his children watch what he calls a “good speech,” one the president “should give.”
“It’s a good speech,” Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer said Monday. “It encourages kids to stay in school and the importance of education and I think that’s what a president should do when they’re gonna talk to students across the country.”
In a telephone interview as he headed to Tallahassee for a round of TV interviews ahead of tonight’s FSU-Miami football game, Greer said the White House made “changes” to teacher prep materials – and the speech itself – as a result of the political pressure he applied.
“The speech that’s out today is one that he should give, and I’m pleased to see that the White House has made changes to what was gonna happen.”
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Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama's decision to address the nation's school children, telling CNN Monday that it is "really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."
"I think that there is a place for the President of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children, and I think there are a lot of people that should do the same," she told CNN's Zain Verjee, in an interview set to air Monday on The Situation Room. "And that is encourage their own children to stay in school and to study hard and to try to achieve the dream that they have."
The former first lady said she believed criticism of the speech had arisen because of the accompanying lesson plans. If parents are opposed to the address, said Bush, "That's their right. You know that certainly is the right of parents to choose what they want their children to hear in school… (But) I think it's also really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."
With good cause...never...have I ever heard good cause in the same sentence with the name of Joe McCarthy! Or that he was trying to keep the idea of Communism from infesting the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Communism had far more of a chance of catching on during the depression. McCarthy was a drunken baffoon who was trying to make a name for himself using cold war fears. Destroying people's lives.
Good cause indeed!
I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.
All the "Socialist" etc countries had a dictatorship-like situation almost from the beginning of their history.
I don't believe it would ever take hold to such an extent in the U.S.A. It doesn't have the long history attached to it in America.
If this health bill is being rammed through without adequate reading, preparation and amendment, then yes, loud protest is needed. I don't think that is right.
Factual change is a good thing, I think; but protest due to a knee-jerk fear reaction because one perceives a possible shade of pink in the proceedings is scary.
JMO. I'm not there, so it's only MO.
I cannot imagine what possible reason - good or bad - many Americans would have post traumatic stress about Marxism, Communism, or Socialism. The country had never been invaded by any of those or any dictatorship like situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
I have been trying to remember if I have ever even MET a communist or marxist - best I can come up with is I suppose I did when visiting the nominally communist former Yugoslavia. And I suppose somewhere in my life I have met a socialist. But trauma??? Stress??
Not only is there not a long history of dictatorship, socialism, communist or marxism - there isn't any.
Are there people running around Canada suffering from Post Traumatic Stress because of communism, marxism or socialism?
We ain't gonna turn turtle after 233 years of fighting off the jokers who do not like us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
The 'thing' the media and people do not realize is that we want HCR, we don't want the "Force it in/out" mentality.
The people who are enamoured of the prez and his wacky 'change' mentality do not realize the depth nor the scope of what the delivery of a sound, progressive, modern and cheap health care program is.
If you want to climb Mt Everest you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. BO wants to airlift everyone and everything to the top of the hill and let things trickle down.
Ah, Mister Prez?
Helicopters don't fly that high and you may be suffering from hypoxia.
It has nothing to do with knee jerk reactions.
It has to do with the citizens being given a chance to have a voice in the decision that the prez wants to make. That's it.
IT's the same with the "school talk" at the kids. I sure a shiat don't want some politician getting buddy buddy with my kids and whispering anything in their ears.
If you have small children ask you local reps if they would like to care for them for a few days. I trust them like I'd trust the moron who kidnapped the gal and held her for 18 years. They are worse than that type of criminal-Our politicians lie to our faces and say it's for our 'own good'.
If anyone questions what the prez is trying to 'push through', we are labeled as "racists" and "old crazy people".
So, If were are racist and crazy, that must mean the supporters of the regime in power right now are brainless fools -sheeple- who cannot and will not question any moves made by them.
No one knows what exactly is in the HCR/HIR bills, how they will affect the future of delivered HC in the future and how the costing will be affected, so for them to support something as ill-thought out as a Obama inspired reform?
They should be ready to accept the consequences of that bill and should be held responsible for it's failure.
I ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW THE HCR WILL AFFECT THE MASSES.
I don't care about Obama and his race, creed or family.
I just don't like the idea that this jerk wants to go over the heads or the people who object to his ideas and has his supporters trying to force it down my piehole.
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Watch how fast this paragraph is ignored.:confused:
IF you support BO's HCR take some money and put it into the bank.
I'll check in later with you. Should the bill fail and eff up the HC industry give me the money, If not, keep you money and laugh at me.
Show how much you believe in this clown show, put you money where your mouth is.
P.S. the fact that I am not betting on this? Should you win the bet and get to laugh at me, will it be enough to make it worth your while?
Don't just put faith in your party, Fund the action. Make a stand. Yes, you can-but how long can you?
God knows we could all use a rip-roaring shin dig?
to play devil's advocate, kids do need a kick in the pants to start caring about their education. Politics aside, the education part is fine.
The thing people don't realize is that we??? Now who would those people be who don't know what we want?Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Gosh..."we" are you the Pope or the Queen of England. Because I sure don't remember electing you to represent me!
I have to chime in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by IRescue452
The only thing that comes out of the 'inspirational' Horse Shiat for tomorrow is the parents who voted for BO are going to do the PPS/E with the kids when they get home.
(Say this like you are gasping for air after a sprint.....)
OHOHOHOH, what did the prez say?
Did you pay attention?
What did you think?
Please, for most of the kids it will be time to eff off and text.
Do you think that the Omnipotent One will hold sway over children that age?
Again, do not underestimate kids.
They know the BSers and Knuckleheads when they see them.
Also, you get a child to listen to an "inspirational" talk- I have to edit myself here!!!!!
bye!;)
We have a whole list of kids at school who are NOT allowed to view the address. Can't say I blame the parents really.
Sounds to me as if you are the one underestimating kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
I remember, when I was a kid, parents who would not let their children be in school for sex education -- didn't want them exposed! Wouldn't let them be around children of a different faith or a different race.
You can put blinders on a child I suppose...but I am not sure what that accomplishes.
I would rather a parent let a child see the world and decide what they value, what they don't. You know...trust you kid to make the right choice based on the values you have taught them? That is what my parents did.
So good bye and so long!
Post #84. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
I believe in giving credit when and where credit is due. By not giving credit or posting the source, people are plagiarising when simply cutting and pasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
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Am I the only one who read the speech? I probably am.
If this was the same speech that went with the original "lesson plan", why wasnt it released last week? Releasing it earlier would have been a much wiser thing to do then to let this all build up over the weekend. Ild like to see the speech, or layout, that went with the original lesson plan, [EDIT]but the transparency of this administration wont allow that.[/EDIT]
I saw exactly what Obama was going to say to all the school children. He is an AWESOME role model, and if it helps get some of these kids to stay in school, get an education and makes them better people, then I say
HELL YEAH!!!!
I agree 100%, Moosmom. I don't know why so many people were worked up about their children watching or listening to a President. I was not a fan of either President Bush, and yet I watched every speech that was on TV, so that I could stay informed. Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.
Much ado about nothing.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by sasvermont
It is much ado about nothing. When you consider the horrible retention rate of children these days, kids graduating without knowing their ABC's, dropouts, general decline in education because of a lack of parenting (IMO), everyone is all of a sudden concerned about a child listening to a president? As if the child will listen, become en-culted (I made that word up), and rebel against the household politics, all because of a speech? If that were the case, our educational system would not be where it is.
I agree with the much ado............:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by sasvermont
And unfortunately, I believe if the children form any opinion at all, it will be based on what they are hearing (if anything) at home from their parents.
A parent was interviewed on the radio this morning. He said he is afraid his child will want to become a community organizer if she listens to the speech.
I am not making that up.
I just watched the live broadcast - here's my view on it, for what it's worth.
It wasn't anything more than a pep rally, geared toward middle schoolers and above. Children younger than that, I'm sure had little comprehension of what he was saying, nor will they retain any of it. And having a kindergartner view it - why???
Unless the teachers of these younger children take the time to go over some of the points on a level that is understandable to them, then it was pointless for them to even view it.
Get with the program Mr President. You can't talk to a first grader and a senior in high school on the same level. :( Your intentions may have been good, but your delivery was sadly deficient. :p
Parent prolly meant communist and was afraid to say it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
So my grandson (7th grade and low end in my opinion of the comprehend scale), just got home from school, and the first thing he asked, was if I saw the President's talk. Told him I did, and asked him if his teachers had any discussion with the students about it. "No"! Boy, wasn't that a surprise! :rolleyes:
So I asked him what he got out of it. "Nothing". Then after thinking for a minute, said how he had to be responsible for himself, ask for help if needed, and a few other like answers. Duh - this is what we've been telling him all along. Maybe coming from Mr President it will have more meaning??? Afterall, what do parents and grandparents know??:rolleyes: Today is the first day of a long school year, so we shall see. :p
After further review?
Maybe it is a good thing that the kids listen to the prez as opposed to taking
direction from their parents.
God knows the stupid ideas that the folks would try to put into the kid's heads.:D
"You are so Special!" read SPOILED.
"You have a voice" read Shut UP Before the ticked off chopped slaps you!
"You can be anything you want!" read a malicious little turd that can grow up to be president.
GOD I wish I had kids.
You say it so much more eloquently than I ever could..........:DQuote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
I misspelled 'shopper'.:eek::DQuote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Parents really have abdicated their seat as "the voice" of the home.
We began with the line "do not talk to strangers" and ended with, "Listen to the prez-He'll give you the proper guidance for your future".
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Media bias? You bet.
The local news outlets did a little post-game wrap up with the kids at schools in the area.
Guess who was missing from the interviews.?:confused::o
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Originally Posted by RICHARD
I don't feel the need to correct people's spelling.......:eek::D
You can for me. I don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
If us guys didn't have you gals to correct/proctect us, where would we be?;)
That's a lascivious winkie.:D
More true words have never been spoken by mankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
But as with most "rules" mankind comes up with, there ARE exceptions. ;)
I cringed everytime mom reminded me she 'cleaned my behind'. :D:eek::oQuote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31