Michael Jackson Dead

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Originally Posted by Pam

Two words for MJ - talented and tragic. With that said, I am ready for the media to move on. Enough coverage already.

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Be thankful he didn't exit in your town. The local channels have been relentless.

I want to punch most of the 'pundits' that have come out and talked smack about knowing he was all effed up. They just flapped gum and didn't say anything about it.

The worst of it is the Al Sharptongue/Jesse Jackass/syncophants in the media. All these people rode the gravy train until the conductor threw them off.

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I put on the music channels as background music for the house, There are some MJ tunes that I did not know he even sang/wrote.


Someone once said you could talk to anyone on the planet about the Beatle's music and they could sing the lyrics to at least 10 songs they put out.

It's the same with MJ......


BTW,

John Landis and Paul Mc Cartney were two morons who had beefs with MJ.

JL was suing MJ, He put out a release about MJ passing, so did PM-PM ripped off MJ when he bought MJ's catalog of music. I don't remember the details, but it was massive!:eek:

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

PM ripped off MJ when he bought MJ's catalog of music. I don't remember the details, but it was massive!:eek:

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I thought it was the other way around. I thought MJ bought the Beatles music. :confused:

"JL was suing MJ, He put out a release about MJ passing, so did PM-PM ripped off MJ when he bought MJ's catalog of music. I don't remember the details, but it was massive!"

I believe it was the other way around. MJ bought the Beatles catalog and there was a big bidding war with MJ. This was after they colaborated on Black & White. Paul has always taken the higher road. MJ had such a circle of yes men around him that he didn't even realize how he was percieved most of the time. He left with $400 million in debt. Everyone kept telling him to sell the catalog but he wouldn't.
Either Liza or Liz said they were glad that he was being celebrated now because when the autopsy came out "all hell would break loose" so I guess we haven't heard the last of all this.
Claudia

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Originally Posted by Medusa

I thought it was the other way around. I thought MJ bought the Beatles music. :confused:

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You are right, I had it backwards!:eek::o

We keep complaining about the media giving us what we want. If people were not watching - it would not be on the tv, radio, magazines and newspapers.

We have such a thirst for voyeurism - as witnessed by a show such as Jon and Kate. Of course it helps if they are flawed or fail in some way. Then we really like to watch.

I feel sorry for Michael Jackson. He started performing at five. He never had a childhood so he was always trying to create one. One article in the paper about him today was written by a reporter who knew him and was asked to collaborate with him on the book Jackie Onassis wanted from him. It was very interesting. Jackson's need for affirmation. When he became a teenager his acne was so bad people did not recognize him and asked where was "Little Michael." Helps explain his obsession with his skin.

There were so many people around him who saw him as a money making machine - same with Elvis. Both became isolated from reality - tragically.

And they were both huge talents. With huge fan bases. The media will stop feeding us Michael Jackson when we get tired of it and stop buying it.

At least it is better than Kate and Jon - who never did anything but breed!

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

We keep complaining about the media giving us what we want. If people were not watching - it would not be on the tv, radio, magazines and newspapers.

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I sure wish there was a way to avoid all of this, but I guess unless you have a desert island to retreat to, then it will be in our face for some time to come. It seems there's not a t.v. station or newspaper or magazine that isn't plastering it all over. There's just no escaping it. :mad:

And I can't believe that his family would ever even consider a public funeral. Are they insane? :confused: Talk about a chaotic mob scene....

We have a community forum for our neighborhood and some lady is selling a ticket to a Michael Jackson concert for 50 bucks. Is it just me or is that tacky as heck? It just hit me the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

We have a community forum for our neighborhood and some lady is selling a ticket to a Michael Jackson concert for 50 bucks. Is it just me or is that tacky as heck? It just hit me the wrong way.

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A ticket to a concert??? :confused: Does she know he died???

Its an old one...so its memorablia.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

Its an old one...so its memorablia.

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Oh - okay - got it now!:) Pretty tacky IMO. :(
The night he died, t.v. showed people selling MJ (newly made) t-shirts on a street corner. Damn vultures!!! Makes me sick! :mad:

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

We have a community forum for our neighborhood and some lady is selling a ticket to a Michael Jackson concert for 50 bucks. Is it just me or is that tacky as heck? It just hit me the wrong way.

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I still have my ticket stub from seeing Elvis in concert....wonder what it is worth? (just kidding...I would not part with it!)

I don't have a problem with people selling memorabilia but two days after he died just seems tacky.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

I don't have a problem with people selling memorabilia but two days after he died just seems tacky.

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Agreed!

Anyway - if she was smart she would put it on e-bay! :eek: I wonder how much is already up there?

I just heard my first TV commercial with a MJ tune in the background.
It just jumps out at you. This had to have just been put together.

If I hear Thriller coming out of my TV one more time I am going to scream! I guess the next month of Larry King shows will be about MJ. I will have to find something else in that time slot to watch. Like someone else said.....it is just like the overload from Anna Nicole. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by kokopup

I just heard my first TV commercial with a MJ tune in the background.
It just jumps out at you. This had to have just been put together.

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If it's "I'll Be There", that commercial has been running for a while now. It's when MJ was a little boy, if that's the one you're talking about, that is. :)

I just heard that the family is requesting a 2nd autopsy. They can't see it was drugs? :rolleyes::confused::mad: Seems it's just a matter of how much of which ones.

I heard that now that he is dead the terms of the settlement against him, regarding the sexual molestation where he paid millions to the boy's family, may be free to come out. Don't know if that is true or not, but my gosh do we want to hear all of that again. GAG! :eek: I am afraid this will be a long long road.

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Originally Posted by Pam

I heard that now that he is dead the terms of the settlement against him, regarding the sexual molestation where he paid millions to the boy's family, may be free to come out. Don't know if that is true or not, but my gosh do we want to hear all of that again. GAG! :eek: I am afraid this will be a long long road.

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I hope that they let it rest. His kids and his parents don't need that heartache.

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Originally Posted by Medusa

I hope that they let it rest. His kids and his parents don't need that heartache.

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Unfortunately, I think that every nasty detail of his life, and then some, will be exploited by all the worms that are now crawling out of the woodwork. IMO, it will be a very long time before MJ is ever allowed to RIP - if ever. :(

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

Unfortunately, I think that every nasty detail of his life, and then some, will be exploited by all the worms that are now crawling out of the woodwork. IMO, it will be a very long time before MJ is ever allowed to RIP - if ever. :(

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I think you're right, Ellie, and it's such a shame. Every time I see a clip of him moonwalking, it takes me back to my kitchen when my son was constantly wearing out his socks because he was moonwalking all the time. I thought the boy would never walk forward again! Those are the times I prefer to remember. All of the weird stuff that came after is sad and depressing.

"I thought the boy would never walk forward again!"

That made me LOL. My little brother was the same way. He was constantly knocking stuff over doing is MJ impression and it would drive my mother bonkers! LOL!

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Originally Posted by Medusa

All of the weird stuff that came after is sad and depressing.

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Ya know - there is no disputing that he was very strange and he even admitted to some very weird behavior behind the scenes, before it became public knowledge, but I can't help but wonder if the accusations made against him of child molestation, were totally true. He had a very child-like nature which did nothing but make him look guilty, but I wonder just how much he was really guilty of. He had an awful lot of big names in his corner - Elizabeth Taylor and Liza Manelli come to mind as just a couple. Unfortunately, MJ was his own worst enemy, and he took his guilt or innocence with him in death. He was the only living being that knew the absolute truth, and no matter how much those that are left behind care to speculate, no one will ever know for sure.

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

Ya know - there is no disputing that he was very strange and he even admitted to some very weird behavior behind the scenes, before it became public knowledge, but I can't help but wonder if the accusations made against him of child molestation, were totally true. He had a very child-like nature which did nothing but make him look guilty, but I wonder just how much he was really guilty of. He had an awful lot of big names in his corner - Elizabeth Taylor and Liza Manelli come to mind as just a couple. Unfortunately, MJ was his own worst enemy, and he took his guilt or innocence with him in death. He was the only living being that knew the absolute truth, and no matter how much those that are left behind care to speculate, no one will ever know for sure.

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Not true. IF the allegations were true, the innocent children he molested know for sure.

Not saying they were/are true, just stating that he's not the only one who knew the truth.

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Originally Posted by Scooter's Mom

Not true. IF the allegations were true, the innocent children he molested know for sure.

Not saying they were/are true, just stating that he's not the only one who knew the truth.

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Yes - but....

Were they told what to say - and perhaps elaborate to the point that it would appear to be molestation? Children can be made to think one thing happened, when it was actually something totally different. It has happened many times before, and innocent people have gone to jail because of it.

I'm not saying that the children were prompted to "stretch the truth", just as I'm not saying that MJ was not guilty, but I still believe that MJ is the only one that knows for sure.

This is just IMHO of course.

I can recall his sister Latoya speaking out against him, insisting that he was a pedophile. I didn't believe a word she said simply because I felt that she was doing it to get attention for herself. She's a no talent, isn't even in the same range w/Michael or Janet or even the rest of the family. It'll be interesting to see how she conducts herself now.

I am going to take Mr. Jackson at his word, which is that he slept with boys in his bed and he felt there was nothing wrong with that.
Now the question is why did he feel it was not wrong?
My personal belief is that he was molested as a child, perhaps by someone in the music indrustry, someone he trusted and loved.
He was not close to his dad, from what I remember he was a bully and the kids were afraid of him.
So in comes this other man, giving praise, perhaps a mentor and young Michael for the first time in his life has a man who is kind and loving to him. Yes the relationship was sexual after a bit, but it was also the only love he had from an adult. So Michael thinks that sex with an adult is the only way to get love and praise. He has decided that this is not so bad.
This of course confused Michael and started his mental confusion, thereby wanting to remain a child in many ways so he could continue to recieve love and affection.
As an adult a child in his bed is not such a bad thing, he is after all loving this child, showing them kindness, patience, understanding, giving gifts and yes having a bit of sex.
Twisted but oh so logical to Mr. Jackson.
That is my arm chair consul. That will be $200.00 please pay Margaret on your way out and don't forget to make a follow up in two weeks.

That's ALOT of assumptions about someone you don't know and cannot answer the allegations.:eek: What he did or didn't do may never be resolved. I choose to remember his talents and not his eccentricities. :rolleyes:

I am looking at it positively...it will knock Kate and Jon off the cover of EVERYTHING!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What ES your tired of diva and mopey???

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Originally Posted by kitten645

That's ALOT of assumptions about someone you don't know and cannot answer the allegations.:eek: What he did or didn't do may never be resolved. I choose to remember his talents and not his eccentricities. :rolleyes:

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Agreed. And I still believe the absolute truth died with him and it will never be resolved. Unless of course, that MJ wrote a confession/explanation and had it locked away in safe deposit, with instructions to be read 50 years after his death. Highly unlikely, and by then, not many people would care anyway. :(

I just saw this link posted in another forum, and if it's true, it would be more than ironic at this point:

Jordan Chandler admits he lied about Michael Jackson??


Kirsten

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Originally Posted by Kirsten

I just saw this link posted in another forum, and if it's true, it would be more than ironic:

Jordan Chandler admits he lied about Michael Jackson??


Kirsten

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That would be no surprise to me I always figured that is what happened.

I guess it remains to be seen if this is true. Frankly - I hope it is!

I did some Googling...there are the tabloid bits that now bring "Jordy's diary" to light...and a couple of articles on Jordan's confession.

I hope this makes it to a more mainstream media source; I would love for it to be true.

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Originally Posted by Catty1

I did some Googling...there are the tabloid bits that now bring "Jordy's diary" to light...and a couple of articles on Jordan's confession.

I hope this makes it to a more mainstream media source; I would love for it to be true.

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On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, if it is true, what a despicable family plot! Charges should be brought against them if it's true. It would have been a deliberate extortion attempt and in the process a ruination of the man's life.

I've watched a little of his story on VH1 because it was mostly his performances. What a loss!

Years ago, I scored a couple of great tickets to MJ's Philadelphia concert. I took my 10 year old niece with me.....well, we went together and it was for her thrill, not mine. The concert was out of this world with special effects and music. My niece and I will never forget the fun we had getting to the concert, attending, standing on our chairs throughout the entire concert, and then getting home. It was my niece's first concert and she had flown from Florida to Phila. just for the concert. It was the such a highlight in her life.

I will say that Michael was one of the most talented people I've come across. His private life was part of his public life - he made it that way. I am sorry he left this earth so early, but that too was his doing.

We will probably never know what a life he led behind those closed doors. I would never know who to believe anyway.

I hope the best for his children. I don't think MJ's mother (and father?) are the people I would think of as guardians, but then no one asked me. No matter who they go to/with, their lives have changed forever.

Rest in peace Michael. You changed many lives - many for the better. You were such an entertainer - filled with talent and achievements. And you had your shortcomings as well.

Rest.

As I mentioned I am taking Mr. Jackson at his own words, which were that he saw nothing wrong with sharing a bed with children.
As for his talent, no one can beat the King of Pop.
A great lose to all who love music.

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Originally Posted by kitten645

That's ALOT of assumptions about someone you don't know and cannot answer the allegations.:eek: What he did or didn't do may never be resolved. I choose to remember his talents and not his eccentricities. :rolleyes:

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There was plenty of creepyness about MJ without the pedo charges.

Yes MJ was a Magician with his music and stage pressence but he still had the creepyness off stage and out of the studio.

Talk about creepy, his fathers interview with CNN was creepy, he is already trying to promote stuff.