I don't want to let the kitten down either...
No phone messages from "Charity" yet.
I don't want to let the kitten down either...
No phone messages from "Charity" yet.
I've been watching this thread. And this whole thing does sound a little fishy to me. But what would this person gain out of this being a hoax? She's not asking for money or anything. Sigh....I just don't know. I do hope there isn't a kitten living under these circumstances.
I gather that there are people who get their kicks out of "making things happen"... particularly getting bleeding-hearts types to jump through hoops to try to help a child/pet/deathly ill person/etc. be rescued.
If anyone has some good ideas we could use to convince them it's worth checking out, I can call the Jackson Police and/or the Jackson County Animal Control tomorrow to see if we could get a court order for the ISP to release identifying information on this "Charity."
As Melissa said, it can be rather expensive, but I would be willing to at least contribute. I could perhaps get an idea of the expense involved from the authorities when I call.
I'm kind of thinking this is just a troll too, but on the off chance the kitten is real and so is the danger, I'll keep trying to get her.
Pat
Wouldn't it be best first to talk to the police or animal control to see if there would even be any kind of charges that they could throw at her. Has she broken any law??? I don't know that it's illegal to send good hearted people on a wild goose chase. Probably the only law that's been broken is the one of common decency.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
I don't know that it's a hoax necessarily. I just think she doesn't really care that she's making you jump through hoops. She wanted help and then when she was made to realize that she might actually have to put forth some effort, then she became uncommunicative. It happens a lot in rescue, unfortunately. If the kitten was truly in peril, she should have done something herself, being right there and seeing what was going on. She wants to wash her hands of the affair and have someone else do the dirty work. I pray that the kitten is safe. This is a dirty rotten stinkin' shame.
I have sent an email to the ISP, and bcc'd Anikaca77 and phesina.
Although he cannot tell us anything, I asked if, as an ISP, he could find out if this person is committing any internet fraud (I didn't use those exact words!).
I can't think of anyone else to email? The FCC?
Boy, I'll tell ya what, this chick doesn't know who she's messin' with, does she? Don't get PTers on your trail if you're thwarting an animal rescue! LOL :love:
We'll never know. Some people are lonely and starved for attention. Im also sad to see nothing has come of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taz_Zoee
On the upside, there are a million other strays who need rescuing.
Well now that everyone has been ubber nice to the lady, why doesnt someone email her and tell her you are contacting her police department and internet service provider to try and see if the entire thing was a hoax.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
It may scare her, cause being nice and pleading isnt working.
JustineNYC - that's a good idea in that it WOULD scare her - but then she could delete her post and just disappear...and if there IS a kitten, then the effort is futzed!
Unless someone can report a case of suspected animal abuse, AND the only contact/witness is this person they can't find...then the AC or whoever might be able to get info from the ISP that we can't - especially if someone happens to be friends with the guy.
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Originally Posted by Catty1
Yes we don't want to scare her off. I wish she would of e-mailed last night but I have a feeling there is nothing more we can do but wait to hear from her.
I just can't believe though if this is a hoax that she would want to do this because it just doesn't seem like one, because she's not asking for any money or anything. All I wanted was to share my love with this kitten but how can I help her if I can't get this kitten.
Melissa
Here is the latest:
Yes, I have been very busy and can not get online
everyday. I have a 12 year old son and a boyfriend,
so, I spend time with them. I also have a dog and
other family members.
As for the kitten, theres really not much I can do
until, I either see her, or can get in touch with my
neighbors, which, I have yet to do, that's why, I haven't
got back to you...I have no new news on her yet. I am
trying my hardest, to get her to you before Halloween
gets here.
Anyways, I just can't give out someone elses address,
for safety reasons and I know, I wouldn't want someone
giving mine out without my permission.
Blah blah blah! We're all busy and some of us have waaay more to do than raise a 12 year old who's in school all day. And a boyfriend, too? My my, how does she do it? Does she not think that you're busy and that you have a family, too? Her attitude is callous and she's full of it! No apology, no concern for the kitten other than saying she wants it to be rescued by Halloween. There's no real caring here for this kitten; she's more concerned about the neighbor who is allowing the abuse to continue than she is about the kitten. How can she say that she's trying her hardest to get the kitten to you when she just admitted that she hasn't even contacted the neighbor yet?! This makes me furious! :mad:
Mary,
Save your energy for Pidge, BTW I forgot to mention I got her phone number.
;)
Melissa
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Originally Posted by Medusa
I wonder if a 'neutral' meeting spot that would be considered safe by Charity would be more appealing to her. What if you asked her to scoop the kitten the next time she sees it and then meets you at a police station parking lot or an animal control facility. That way she would hopefully feel safe.
It does sound fishy and her safety and her neighbour's safety seem to be her biggest issue so it would be interesting to see what she would say if you suggested this. But I think I read somewhere in your thread that she doesn't want to just 'take' the cat so that might not work.
There is a good chance that you could do a reverse look up on line. I do this farely often as some of my customers leave off thier address.
Ditto Mary!Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Let's see - I have myself to look out for, plus in the same house is my 12 yr old grandson, my son, my DIL, 2 dogs, and 2 cats - and I manage to find lots of spare time to do just about anything I want. Not that I have to look out for the other adults, but I take on as much as any parent with my grandson! This broad needs to learn how to multi-task, or just one task in this instance would be great! GET THE KITTEN! And why the heck did she even ask for help before she had the kitten in her possession??? :confused: I would think that should have been the starting point! DUH!
:) I am with the rest of you guys.. This person is full of CRAP.. If I only had a 12 yr old son & a boyfriend = I for sure would be very board with life.. There is something that lady is not telling.. I wish she just would help give the kitten a good home.. Which I guess in this women's thoughts that would take more mental time Than time from the Heart..Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Hi everyone. I just sent this message to Pat so I figured you guys would like to read it as well. So here it is.
But I decided I wanted to see if the phone number she gave us was real and well it is.
I called her about 11:50 a.m. and talked with her till 12:20 p.m.
So anyway, I asked her if Pat (as long as Pat doesn't mind that is and has
the time) could call her later this evening and then you (Charity) can make
plans and possibly give Pat your address so that way if you don't mind Pat
could stop by your house, meet with you and see where you normally would see the kitten.
I think if you talk with her long enough she will be willing to do so. I
also told her that she doesn't need to give me her address since I'm in PA
but it would be helpful since Pat lives only about 40 miles from her roughly
speaking.
She went over that she does care for this cat but she's on diability and her
neighbors told her she could have this kitten as well because it's not her
neighbors that own the cat that abuse it, it's the neighbors next door to
them.
She also told me that she used to foster animals for a local humane society
who would drop off animals and then pick them up once they were adopted.
I asked her if she could put my phone number and Pat's number (hopefully you didn't mind Pat) on a piece of paper and put it in their mailbox letting
them know that we are interested in adopting the black kitten.
So I told her I would provide a great home and vet care for this kitten and
I would love it.
Ok so that's where it stands and it does sound like she's a little older and
she's just wanting to be careful about giving out her address and I told her
I completely understand but I trust Pat and she's a good person I told her.
I said everyone on PT loves cats and we are just trying to help her out.
I told her that you would probably be willing to come up and sit for a few hours if she wouldn't mind outside her house to see if you could see the kitten. I think she would be willing too once you talk with her, if you can tonight or sometime.
Well that's all for now.
Talk with ya later,
Melissa
I forgot to add one more thing about that, she said that it seems that the kitten is tossed outside when this women's boyfriend comes over and then when he leaves the kitten comes back in. Trust me I know how you all feel about that I'd say get rid of him! But the lady that lives next door is Charity's friend so that's why she is trying to do this the right way even though the neighbor did tell her she could have her since she likes it at her house more anyway.
Melissa
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Originally Posted by Emeraldgreen
:) I say if the kitten comes in view & is able to catch then get it.. The heck with all of this steping on the toes of the abusserss.. If they ask say well I guess the kitten had enough abussee & ran off.. I am so glad I dont live near these people..
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Originally Posted by Catty1
Yea but shes already scared and not cooperative. This started 10/9? Shes had days to talk to her neighbors, how long does it take to ring a doorbell?
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Originally Posted by Anikaca77
If the neighbor told her that, then whats the hold up?
I talked with Charity on the phone this evening. She said that she was quite sick, and she sounded like she is, with a cold or flu.. got it from her son, who got it at school. She still doesn't know if the neighbor is home, but the son said he saw her kids at school, so I guess she is. She said if she feels any better tomorrow she'll go see her. I asked her if she could have her son tell the neighbor's kids that she (Charity) would like to speak with their mother and ask about the kitten, and Charity's son said he would.
She said she's been fired from her job and has very little money, that's why she couldn't keep the kitten herself, and she doesn't know where to meet me with the kitten because she can't afford more gas for her car. I told her I'll come to her home or wherever she'd like me to, to get the kitten.
She sounds like someone who is completely overwhelmed by the circumstances in her life at this time, and also maybe not quite Rhodes Scholar material, but I think she's at least trying to do something for the kitten. I also get the impression her neighborhood is the kind of area you want to be VERY CAREFUL about antagonizing at least some of your neighbors.. so that's perhaps why she's kind of tippy-toeing around. Let's face it, kids who openly abuse small helpless animals are not products of the healthiest and most loving of families growing up in the most civilized of communities.
I told her I'll call her again tomorrow. She said the best time is after five.
Pat
Hi all,
I'm jumping in late to this thread, but if I can be of transport assistance, let me know-I'm in Toledo, OH. I'm presently not working (lost my job) so I could help if needed. I dearly want to see this kitten get to a nice home...poor baby.
Not knowing all the details....can the kitty go *poof*?
Mary
i don't know all the situation...i haven't read all of it.
i freak out when i read about an abused animal...makes me so depressed.
i'm so sorry your going through such trouble...this is sad.
i hope this kitten is caught.
Well I just got this e-mail from Charity today:
With all the emails I get from you and Pat
and the phone calls, well, honestly, it's
making me want to look for another home for
this kitten, if, my neighbors even have it
still.
I don't know, I just don't feel comfortable
at this point anymore.
Right now, I am really upset, I am really sick
and I told Pat to call me at 8, she called me
now and woke me up and was telling me to do
all this stuff and basically calling me a liar,
I'm not a liar, I just feel as many emails
and phone calls as I get, well, it's not
making me feel comfortable about giving you
this kitten, exspecially when I'm told, you
can only get her before halloween and shes
all black.
I have told you and Pat repeatedly, that, I
could not get a hold of my neighbors, nor,
have I seen the kitten and that I would do
what I could and theres nothing more I could
really do.
I am sorry if I don't want to give out my
address or my neighbors, I dont know you or
Pat well enough to do that and that's something,
I just don't do.
This is the e-mail I sent her:
Hi Charity,
First of all, Pat e-mailed me and explained to me that she is very sorry for bugging you and I'm sorry as well. I never meant to burden you or make you feel uncomfortable. That's just not my style. Pat and I are just very concerned about this kitten. As stated on your petfinder ad: "Wed Oct 01, 2008 Kitten desperately needs a home" I thought that you meant that we would be able to adopt her that weekend once I contacted you but that has not been the case.
I love animals and I've always taken exceptional care of them and spoil them like crazy.
According to your e-mail that I received on Oct. 10, 2008 you told me: "I have to check with my neighbor and see if she's still available, because, I haven't seen her in over a week now and normally shes outside by herself. I'm even more worried, with her being all black and halloween coming up." I was merely trying to get her away from danger before Devil's Night.
Since Oct. 10th, I was looking forward to getting her that weekend and giving her a great home. But then sadly things kept coming up and it seems that we are never able to find out if your neighbors are keeping this kitten or not. Trust me if they are that's fine, I just hope they continue to keep it indoors or it might get killed. I'd also like to say that you were the one who mentioned that you wanted to find her a home before Halloween and so every weekend instead of doing some things that I need to do I kept waiting around to see if I'd hear that you go the kitten and I'm going to be taking a road trip to get her.
As for you being told that I can only get her before Halloween well according to your e-mail back on Oct. 10th you wanted to find her a home before Halloween and that's why I was pushing for Pat to come and help you out by trying to get a hold of your neighbors so we could find out if the cat is still alive or available.
Every time I've dealt with someone looking for a home for their cat or kitten, I've always had a number to contact and they would contact me back as well usually by phone so that we knew what was going on.
I understand that you don't have long distance and that's why I gave you my calling card number so that you could contact me and let me know what's going on.
Also, usually when someone is looking for a home they usually want the kitten or cat gone pretty quickly so I'm used to going and getting the cat and not having to wait 3 weeks in order to save her life.
Back on Oct. 17th you sent me this e-mail: "Sorry, I haven't replyed lately, I haven't been online. And yes, I seen the kitten again today outside. So, shes still around. I will try and talk to my neighbors tomorrow and see what I can do, so Pat can hopefully get her to you this weekend. I would like her rehomed, before devils night and halloween, beings shes all black and should not be outside." again you state that you would like her rehomed before devils night and halloween and that's what I've been trying to help you do. I wanted to save this kittens life not end it.
I'm very sorry from the bottom of my heart if I've made you uncomfortable in anyway, Pat and I never intended to scare you or make you uncomfortable all we wanted to do was to help you get this kitten inside and that's why I suggested to let Pat have your home address since you are not feeling well so that she could stop by and see if she could find the kitten or at least try to get a hold of the neighbors.
I'd really like to still adopt this kitten but I'm also sorry to say that I can't wait another month of waiting till you speak with your neighbors like I've been doing.
Thank you for your time reading this e-mail and if you'd like me to contact you again please let me know,
Thank you again for all your efforts,
Melissa
*I just want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has said a pray for this kitten and wanted to help her out, I'm not sure if I'm going to get this kitten at all or not but I just needed to say thank you to everyone who has posted to this*
Thanks,
Melissa
She needs to get her a$$ beaten! Who exactly does she think she is? She has done NOTHING to help this kitten. The only things she has done was type a few sentences, and then work everyone up! That makes it WORSE..:mad:
Tell her you can get a black kitten right off of Craigslist if that was your intention, heck, I will even look some up FOR YOU to show her. What a moron. No common sense, no sense at all!
I am fuming over here!:mad:
She's a manipulator.
Wanted to add: If it stays outside Halloween night, then it is JUST AS MUCH HER FAULT as anyone else if someone hurts it...
Tell her FINE, take her in Halloween, all day/night, and I will pick it up the NEXT day/ Then she cant use that as an excuse anymore... She is FULL of excuses!:rolleyes:
Wow, that's all I can say......WOW! I wish I could understand what people think sometimes, but I guess that's just not possible.
Well, Melissa and Pat, you have both done as much as you possibly can to help this kitten. Too bad the person seeking the help hasn't been as cooperative. I just hope this kitten is, and will be, okay. Although, I'm sure we'll never find out either way. :(
I was going to suggest the same thing. If she brought the kitten into her own home the day before Halloween or on the day and kept it safe until November 1st then she would know that you are not trying to get the cat for Halloween but that you are trying to protect just as she says she is.Quote:
Originally Posted by kt_luvs_kitties
I know she has written that she has alot going on in her life but I'm sure she can fit one tiny kitten into a bathroom for one night and then you or Pat could come and get it the next day. Maybe she would feel better about that?:confused:
You should suggest it, but I am telling you, it WILL be more excuses...
Have you given her a vet reference? If so, you can ask her WHY would you spend money on other cats, just to adopt one to kill it? That would be simply outrageous to even think...Maybe agree to make a vet appointment BEFORE picking up the kitten, and give her the info to see you are truthful. Your vet could vouch for you. I know mine would.
I hate to say this, but I truly dont think you are getting this kitten. I think she is yanking your chain, OR just does not want to be bothered with it. She wants to help, just not enough to get off her lazy butt and do it.. Seen that all too many times before:rolleyes::mad::(
Either way, I pray for this kitten. I hope someone knows of this kitten, and the location, and takes it. Maybe someone else will cross its path that will love it. *wishful thinking*
I actually had a vet appointment scheduled for the kitten last monday evening and I told her that, that previous Friday so that way she knew I was going to get it vet checked and cared for. Plus, I made another vet appointment this Monday night thinking I'd be able to take in the kitten but as it turns out I'll have to take in one of my girls because they are having the runs.
I've never given her the vet references but Pat gave her, she's never asked like how old am I or any questions I would normally ask someone who is interested adopting a cat I've rescued but I'm just going to let this go because I'm sure she will keep giving excuses it's been like this since the beginning and well I'm just getting too frustrated now but I still would like to help this kitten if there is a chance. But like you said I'm sure there will be more excuses as to why she won't do something or she'll tell me that they found a home or it or they are keeping it to get me off her back but I'm not going to e-mail her or call her unless she makes contact with me.
I hate to say that after all the effort I put into this thing and every weekend waiting and waiting but I've learned my lesson in the case.
Thank you all again,
Melissa
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Originally Posted by kt_luvs_kitties
I've been thinking for some time now that the kitten is either dead or missing and she's been afraid to say anything to you. I haven't wanted to say this because I wanted to stay positive even though I was angry but her last email to you is indicative of someone who is carrying guilt. She doesn't like the constant reminder that she asked for help, then thwarted your efforts to save the kitten. Someone who truly wants help accepts it w/out conditions and excuses. I wish the situation was different but it isn't, so it may be time to let it go. This is one of those times when we're going to have to trust that God sees all and, if you're to rescue this kitten, events will turn in your favor.
I'm with Medussa...if the kitten hasn't been caught yet or seen...something must be wrong..or someone else hopefully brought it into their home.hopefully it is in someone's home happy and getting food and good sleep like a happy kitten should.
i hope...we all hope.
i'll say a prayer for this kitty.
Also, if she didn't want to give out her address or phone number, how in the world were you supposed to help her? How were you supposed to get the kitten from her? Were you going to meet at a designated spot? If someone is sincerely asking for help, then a certain level of trust has to be there. She's turning the situation back on you and Pat rather than taking responsibility for this entire fiasco.
i still am shocked that she would put you down for wanting the cat before Halloween
knowing you're a rescuer.she can't be that stupid not to know you wanted it saved.
how ignorant!
i think she wanted attention,or just isn't right in the head!
Well here is the last and final update, I just got this e-mail from her:
I talked to my neighbors aunt today about the kitten
and my neighbors have found a home for her. So, that
is why I haven't seen her. So, she has already been
rehomed. I am sorry for all the hassles, there was
really nothing I could do, until I spoke to the
neighbors and beings I couldn't do that, I spoke
to the aunt.
I'm not buying a nickel's worth of it. You did what you could, Melissa and Pat, so the onus is on her.