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If you didn't realize it, you were just judging me before by calling me and all the other PT'ers rude and ignorant. That being said, I NEVER said people who breed dogs don't love them, I said if you don't care about the animal population then you don't. I also said it makes me judge your love for dogs, I never definitely said you didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by inlovewithanimals
The thing is before you get help in the forums you MUST swallow all the insults and bad treatment that they give you. Then they might realize that whats done is done and maybe at least try to help.
I dont need to be here to be treated like garbage. Because i have more people in other forums that instead of trash talk to me they HELP me.
I dont care what you got to say on here. I dont care about your opinion all i wanted was an answer.
I hope someone closes this thread soon. It is pointless now. I am going to add some names to my ignore list, and get it over with fast. I had a feeling this would end up getting ugly.
Ugh.
Again, I hope this pup does just fine and there is a happy ending...... we will never really know.
I am moving on....never to open this thread again..... Ugh X 1,000. :rolleyes:
Yeah PLEASE i beg someone close this. An update will be give at week 6 on the 19th of September if you all want to know.
You opened the door on it. Why don't you do something wise and close it yourself. As for me being rude and stating my opinions it is kinda a given when comming onto something like this. There are bound to be things people belive that you don't. However that doesn't give you the right to be rude back. I am pretty sure that if you just took it with a grain of salt this thread wouldn't have gotten so nasty so quick. I wish you the best of luck for the dog's sake however that doesn't mean I condone what is being done. I won't say I'm sorry for I don't have any reason to be. And if you stoped being so bullheaded you would have seen as I did many people did offer you good sound advice. Why you choose to overlook it I don't know. And maybe just maybe it would be wise not to update the entire board who in a majority doesn't agree with you but to instead PM those who are intrested. Again best of luck to you
I think you have gotten answers, you just choose to ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
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I am not sure what help you are looking for anyways?? people have told you the best ways to care for your dog, while pregnant. what more do you need??
I your first post, you asked what we thought in reguards to your dog possibly being prgnant- we cannot tell from pics, you need to get an ultra sound, simple.
In your second post, you asked if you were feding her too much- you need to feed your dog a proper diet, which does not include people food. this is in no way good for any dog, let alone a pregnant one.
You also raised concerns reguarding her vomiting and Diarhea- This could be caused by the change in food, the added human food, or many numerous things. If she is still vommiting and having diarhea i would take her to the vets to get checked out.
as far as I can tell, all your questions thus far has been answered. Not sure what else you are looking for?
as far as peole asking questions, while you are looking for answers, well sometimes we need more info to give you the correct answers.
is there anything I have missed??
I am not sure what help you are looking for anyways?? people have told you the best ways to care for your dog, while pregnant. what more do you need??
I your first post, you asked what we thought in reguards to your dog possibly being prgnant- we cannot tell from pics, you need to get an ultra sound, simple.
(Taken for palpation to the vet on day 25, felt two little things) Waiting for days 50-55 for x rays)
In your second post, you asked if you were feding her too much- you need to feed your dog a proper diet, which does not include people food. this is in no way good for any dog, let alone a pregnant one.
(Let me tell you something i ALWAYS post in threads. I had a 6 year old Dalmatian who got pregnant without me even knowing, i was not caring for her i was away. No one ever told me she mated. I NEVER took her to the vet because she was not acting strange, she was mellow like always and did not show any signs, was not time for a yearly check up or shots. I believe 63 days later she had the first puppy in my bed and went all the way to 7! Sadly two where born dead the rest where happy and healthy. She had them without any special care through the pregnancy because i did NOT know she was expecting)
You also raised concerns reguarding her vomiting and Diarhea- This could be caused by the change in food, the added human food, or many numerous things. If she is still vommiting and having diarhea i would take her to the vets to get checked out.
(Did you NOT read what i posted yesterday? I took her to the vet at 5)
Yes but i came here looking for other opinions. Something like
"Well i dont know if your dog looks pregnant for sure" OR
"I believe you need to wait a little longer" NOT
"OMG you are so cruel to your dog abort them and get her spayed" OR
"You are such a cruel person how could you?"
HOW can anyone be in the forums if this is what they get!
well how do those answers you described, help you?? If that is all you are looking for than you came to the wrong place!! Sounds like you just wanted to "Show off" your pregnant dog, more than anything!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
and once again, we are all entitled to our own opinions!
I know you all complain about me and all, i know this was a HUGE mistake. But before you go off at me read this post i added in my other forum please.
And no i was NOT showing anything off to anyone.
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I read a website for Wizzard and Claws i believe it was, they get their "stock" as they like to call it from puppymills so they changed their name because lots of owners where complaining that puppies where dying. They sold them for over $1000 and up to $5000!!!! When they where on "sale" they went for $600 or so. Anyways i saw the order form puppymills gave this place. Some read like this
Maltese Puppies 2 for $500
Shih Tzu Puppies $250 each buy 2 get third FREE!
Dalmatian $300 each get second half price!!
Can you actually believe this? By the way then the Maltese was sold for $2500 or more. And the order form was exacly like ordering a book or so. You checked off how many you wanted and what breeds.
But in their new website they say they are a reputable breeder and every dog is loved and cared for. Thats a BIG lie they dont even own their parents. They also show pictures of celebrities of who bought puppies there and are very happy with them and also of costumers. I am sure the celeb photos are fake and the rest are as well. They have to keep changing their name because more people are complaining. Is an online pet store too!
if you want the whole scoop on this please visit the website below.
http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/
How they order their puppies!
http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/How...e_Ordered.html
How much puppies are actually worth and how much they sell them for.
http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/Pup...tual_Cost.html
You can visit first link for more.
Many of us are aware that puppy mills and agents exist. It is a horrible thing, and if the owner of a puppy mill or an agent posted on here they would probably meet with a lot of opposition. I am not sure what the purpose of your above post is other than to make us aware of the practice. It doesn't change anything.
It is hard to tell when you are quoting someone and when you are "speaking" for yourself. Since I do not see this mentioned anywhere else in this thread I assume it is you that is stating this. :( So this isn't the first time that you had an unspayed female become pregnant by "accident." What happened to the five surviving puppies, did you keep them? Are you financially prepared to care for five puppies as they grow into dogs if that happens again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottiemommy
bottom line is, ScottieMommie, you have lied, mishandled your bitch, and irresponsible either bred her intentionally or carelessly allowed it to happen.
Then you come here, ask questions, and then when you don't like the answers you got (same at at PDGS), you get your back all up and get rude and defensive.
Your bitch has unverifiable background, is from a questionable source, is too young to be bred, has not had appropriate health testing, and should not be bred AT ALL, much less with a dog of a different breed. The smart thing to do is to SPAY your bitch. The very LEAST to do is have an ultrasound or a Relaxin blood test to determine if she is ACTUALLY in whelp.
You should also keep in mind that there are numerous complications that can happen during whelping and post whelping, up to and including the death of the bitch and/or all the puppies. Things happen like malpresentations, uterine inertia, emergency C sections, cleft palates, intestines on the outside of the body, mothers who have not enough milk, or no milk, or poison milk that kills all the puppies, eclampsia (which can kill a bitch after delivery), uterine infections post parturition (which can cause poison milk, and kill all the puppies and the bitch).
If you get through whelping safely, then you must get the puppies raised. Scotty bitches can be quite territorial with puppies, so be ready for that. You will need dewormer, vaccines, tail docking and dew claw removal by 3 days of age. If you don't keep your house quarantined, your puppies can make 5 weeks old only to die of Parvo or Distemper before they are old enough to be vaccinated.
Most of the time breeding dogs is about DEATH right along with new life. All breeders know that every breeding can mean the life of their bitch. I hope you don't have to find that out the hard way like so many people have.
Thanks Redeye for the consern. Like i said this is not my first time. I had a pregnant Dalmatian once and if you read the story you would know =] Nothing of what you listed happend. BUT there is always a first time for everything. By the way why would i have their tails docked? Scotties dont have docked tails. It is a preference. By the way if you mend it that way.
Okay so Like this poster asked..................Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
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Originally Posted by Ginger's Mom
I really don't even know why you came to this board. You have now had two female dogs get pregnant, then you ask for advice and then get mad when it is given.
Most, if not all, of the people on this board have their pets spayed/neutered as soon as the vet gives the OK (appropriate ages vary by vet). I am amazed that you did not have that done for your female(s). If you had done that, this thread wouldn't even exist.
We are not veterinarians here but again most, if not all, of the people on this board totally rely on their veterinarian and would not come here seeking medical advice. If you are relying on a group of people on the internet I really feel sorry for your dog and puppies. Responsible people spay/neuter and consult with their veterinarian when they have problems, questions or concerns. I really don't even understand why you started this thread. :confused:
First of all i wanted a second opinion. YES or coarse she has been to the vet, how do you think i found out her pregnancy chances? How do you think she gets her check ups? Shots? and so on.
Really how do i close this thread? Is pointless i know. Also if anyone wants an update i will update when she turns 6 weeks pregnant (if she is) on September 19th.
Breeding is not just about cute puppies. There is alot of heartache involved. Hopefully you don't find out the hard way. A good breeder breeds for the better of the breed. And they make themselves comfortable with the fact that their breeding program always comes before their dogs. Can you honestly tell yourself that you will be okay if your dogs dies giving birth? Or dies after mastitis goes unnoticed and the infection gets into her bloodstream? Or dies because a stillborn puppy remained in her uterus and started an infection? When you breed a dog, you have to know the risks involved. Those of us that do it for the better of the breed have to look at the breed as a whole and continue looking at the future, and while we love our dogs dearly and do the best we can, bad things still happen. It doesn't stop most of us because the future of the breed is still important to us.
You don't even have a breed to better when breeding mixes. So what is important to you? What makes you put your dog's life at risk?
If you can't answer these questions, how canyou expect to deal with the real thing?
Breeding can have great rewards..But it can have it's heartaches. Just prepare yourself for the worst. And in the future, make better decisions. I will always regret breeding my first litter before I knew the pedigree well enough. I spent thousands, and ended up with singleton puppy I am now placing due to temperament problems that could have been avoided...IF I had done my research properly. I will never make the same mistake again, because in the end it is the dogs that end up hurting. I'd also recommend fostering. Before your start adding to the population...It is good to help out those without homes.
If you want to close a thread, you ask the moderator.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
The way i see it is that child abuse, and the pet overpopulation are directly tied to the human overpopulation.
When you have known as many foster children as i have you wouldn't think twice about comparing human children to the animals in the pounds.
Apples and oranges both grow on trees; both can still get sprayed with pesticides. Both can still suffer from temperature extremes.
I can't stand when people can value life when it suits them, but will turn a blind eye to it the next. Abortion is abortion. Whether it is a human child or a puppy or kitten.
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Originally Posted by Maltese_Love
I find it disgusting that there are people here that think that those that have different opinions or even possibly undereducated about what really goes on in the pet world don't have a right to come and post on this forum.
It is sickening how RUDE and forcefully opinionated many here have been.
I think a lot more could be accomplished if y'all would take newcomers gently under your wings and guide them in the right direction. You know "... more flies with honey."
Realistically all you do by alienating and angering newcomers that have bred is make them bitter towards the spay/neuter crowd. ...possibly making it less likely that they'll do rescue in the future. You miss out a great opportunity to make their pets' lives better.
Rather than throwing venom filled opinions, why not be kind with your words? Use some tact people! Educate and post facts. (Not just statistics and preaching.)
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Originally Posted by Pam
I never said that she didn't have a right to post on this forum. I am just wondering why she chose to. She seems to know about BYB and puppy mills and all the rest, so it is/was surprising to me that she would think of planning a mixed litter and then telling her story on a board of pet lovers. I have nothing more to say on this matter and will not open this thread again.Quote:
Originally Posted by crow_noir
How do you expect me NOT to know about BYB and Puppymills? If you are a dog LOVER how can you not know? That more than 150 dogs are bred to death every single day? How can you not know where pet store puppies come from? You want me to stay ignorant by NOT knowing whats going on out there in the pet world?
You should look at in a good way
My dog= 2 puppies=SPAY + PUPPIES
Puppymills= 150 dogs=250 puppies + dying in horrible cages after 10+ year of breeding.
But no you rather attack people and MAKE them feel horrible for what they have done. And you know what if you want to go ahead and leave then leave.
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Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
:mad: STOP IT You are getting rudeness due to your HIGH levels of defense comming right back just STOP IT!!!!!!!! STOP beating around the bush NOT EVERY RESPONSE NEEDS A COMMENT FROM YOU. Why don't you for once on this post take the higher road and just close it out? :rolleyes:
Mr: Chi is NOT ok for me to comment in every post what i think or my opinion, but is OK for you to come and post all the garbage talk and opinions you want about me? Well i tell you what, it does NOT work that way. I know i was right in my last post and you know it. Thats why you get mad every single time i post something new. I can sit here and let you all trash talk your opinions but i have NO right at all to say mines? What kind forum is this? I am sorry if you dont want to hear it perhaps leave?
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(Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
How do you expect me NOT to know about BYB and Puppymills? If you are a dog LOVER how can you not know? That more than 150 dogs are bred to death every single day? How can you not know where pet store puppies come from? You want me to stay ignorant by NOT knowing whats going on out there in the pet world?
You should look at in a good way
My dog= 2 puppies=SPAY + PUPPIES
Puppymills= 150 dogs=250 puppies + dying in horrible cages after 10+ year of breeding.
But no you rather attack people and MAKE them feel horrible for what they have done. And you know what if you want to go ahead and leave then leave.)
ONCE AGIAN YOU DID NOT HEAR WHAT WAS BEING SAD AND SO SORRY I WILL NOT LEAVE JUST BECAUSE ONE PERSON DOESN'T LIKE MY THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS..... :rolleyes: :D
Mr: Chiwawa you are just finding a lame excuse so you are always right =] Let me tell you life does NOT always work out that way. Sorry if you want to be the one that is ALWAYS right your not. Sometimes the OP makes sence as well. And no i actually did not expect you to leave :eek:
try taking a walk on the other side of the tracks sometimes...I NEVER stated that I was always right. Have a good day I'm done with this post I don't need anymore added stress espically from a post that has gotten soo out of control. Just remember the loudest word isn't always the spoken word.
Best of luck to you
No but you stated that i stoped posting my opinions and comments as if i NEVER had anything to say or i should not say anything because i am apparently always wrong so i better off saying nothing, and thats insulting because you CAN say all you want to me but when i go off you seem to get mad, meaning you expect to say all this things to me and expect for me to stay quiet. Ok if you are done now good, i might step off as well.
Nuh uh
Uh huh
NUH UH
UH HUH
DID NOT
DID TOO
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Scotty Mom, please talk to your vet about an ultrasound so you can find out if your bitch is in whelp. You need to know this in order to take proper care of her.
If she IS in whelp, please research so that you will know the warning signs if she needs help during her delivery. Also research so you will know the warning signs of puppies in distress in case you need to seek assistance for them during the first several weeks when mortality rates are high.
Please understand that those of us who deal with the rescue situation on a regular basis, and who take every care to ensure that our breedings are done responsibly and for the betterment of our respective breeds are very adamant about people who breed irresponsibly.
This is a good opportunity for you to think on the responses you have gotten about this on several different forums. As they say, if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Thanks Rotties. I will find out if she is pregnant when she turns 6 weeks on September 19th. Infact most people dont know their dog is pregnant untill there at least 6 and a half weeks :rolleyes:
Thanks for the advice :D