I agree to your whole post, good way of wording it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vela
But, simply like Vela said if her mom doesn't want to spend money on the animals or Bri have her spend money on them they should rehome them.
I feel bad for all the people who donated their hard earned money to Bri, while she out getting things she doesn't have to have with the money she suppously didn't have :rolleyes:
It seems like a scam to me when she asked for money directly then when she didn't get that and it went to the vets office there were many excuses for not calling to set things up...I get up at 11, I don't have a phone, my mom doesn't let me use my cell phone for anything other than emergenies...blah blah blah
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ok - phred - you've beat this horse dead a couple times over -
time to move on before Karen gets fed up with us and deletes this one.
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I'm "flogging a dead horse" ??
I was ready to give it up a few posts ago ...
I've been correcting erroneous statements and urging CALM ...
I Was at 8, now 9, posts out of 82 = 10% by me.
(Sorry to hog my thread.)
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Briana, although some of you may not agree, this thread could be an opportunity for you to learn from the opinions and feelings expressed here if you open up your heart and your mind to how others view some of your actions and attitudes. In a way this is the real world and it's not that different from the one you are going to live in and be accountable in. No, you may not agree with how your actions have been interpreted, but if you give it some serious thought instead of a knee jerk reaction, maybe you will be able to understand the perspectives of others.
Briana you have been given a lot of consideration, time, effort and concern by many wonderful caring people on this board. I hope you understand just how special that is. I hope you can appreciate how many people have reached out to you over the years in various ways. Please read the posts, positive and negative and see the truth that lies in both.
Phred, I don't like the deleting of threads either. To me that is equivalent to *deleting means never having to say you're sorry*, which in many cases would mean a lot to some of us.
Perhaps Animal Control in Bri's city should be notified? Lack of proper care?
Lack of rabies vaccines and therefore licenses is certainly a big deal
Even if anybody could do that, AC can't do anything if the animals have food, water, and shelter. Which is evident they all do..but it's just not good enough care in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
When you ask for money from other people you open yourself up for scrutiny.
Finally you all are seeing what I've been saying since this whole donation thing started..and now her "friends" are finally realising how she treats her animals too. Oh and yes she cares soo much for those animals seeing as a couple months ago she was going to get rid of Gizzy and even though Skye is her "heart cat" she was ready to give her up too because her mom said if she did she could get another small dog. Well of course she wanted to just drop the cats off at a shelter not even find them a home.
Her whole family treats animals poorly, her dad has dogs chained up outside too from what I was told before by her.
I hope they get re homed or that someone calls AC and gets them re homed. Isn't it illegal to not have rabies shots?
Do you have a reason for suggesting that Family Services be contacted? IF you have verifiable information you should certainly contact the appropriate authority. If you do not, suggesting such a thing on a public board may not be a wise thing to do. As we have learned anyone can not only read these threads but use them for other sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
I have no idea what this whole thing is about. I have seen postings by the subject of this thread but never enough to attract my interest.
But now I see someone contacted the animal authorities in the town where this child lives for reasons that I cannot understand.
I hope this is a joke. Like the Thursday bar thread. I would hate to think anyone would go to the trouble to contact authorities in another country about a situation that has been well known but now....what???? As revenge????
Okay...she may have scammed and lied. Maybe she has no animals...maybe she isn't even real. Maybe her mother is a poor money manager and a scammer too. I don't know. That's why I am very careful about IF...and to whom I send money. Nonetheless I am sure I have been taken.
But to call the authorities???
I am shocked and hope I misunderstand something....
I don't think anyone did that, at least that is not my understanding.
I just think she emailed them and asked for guidance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
To my understanding.
I just asked for advice. Period.
Thanks, shais_mom.
that is what I thought, you are welcome. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
I missed all the last lot of things that happened as I and my husband were sick and I was not online. It seems to have turned into a war though.
Catty-Animal Control was called on her one time before as a revenge tactic by someone she knew. If another goes in she will most likely lose the animals. This means they will be PTS. The shelter is HIGH KILL. And animals they confiscate or that are owner surrenderare PTS. When all the crap was going on about Gizzie and her mom wanting her gone the info given by the shelter was that they were full to capacity and all owner surrenders would be PTS asap. They simply cannot accommodate them. And as for rehoming. There are animals in much worse situations than Bri's. Ok I agree they are not in ideal situations but they are fed and clean and she does love them. They are not out on the street fending for themselves and straving and riddled with disease. They are not in a household where they don't get food or water and are literally kicked around. I don't know how easy it would be to rehome them as it was tried before without success.
I have spoke to Bri over the phone about things concerning her mom. Health wise and such and Bri's mom doesn't want to listen to anything anyone has to say even Bri. That girl cried to me about what if's and the fact her mom gets anger when she tries to talk to her about stopping smoking, changing the take out diet and taking her meds. She has begged her mother and gets told to mind her own business. Like she said to me she doesn't want to lose her mom but her mom won't listen to anyone. Her mother does need conselling in my opinion and so does Bri because of the situation she is living in. She has no other role model but her mom and she knows things that no child should have to know or worry about that happens in her household.
Maybe it isn't my place to tell some of these things but I think people need to understand it is not her doing. She has not seen one penny of the money that went into the pet fund. Once I speak to Bri. If I have to I will call her. To make sure it is ok to share about the situation and circumstances of the birthday money and outfit. Then I will let you in on that info.
I'll shut up now and get blasted for being stupid and blind and gullible. That's fine. But this girl needs someone in her corner to try to atleast understand her. And think about it. If she is doing and saying all these things for attention (mostly negative) she needs understanding cause there is obviously something wrong. IF that is the case then something is lacking somewhere and she needs help don't ya think. Enough said probably more than enough. Blast away.
Nope !!!!! No blasting from here. I agree with every word you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by kittycats_delight
Bri is your mate, you've stood by her, that's what mates do....they stand for each other.
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I have no doubt Bri is in a difficult situation and I don't feel any of this situation was an attempt at a scam on her part, however if her mother is having trouble putting food on the table and paying the electric bill, four (or more) pets is too many. As I understand it, some of these pets were here before this financial crisis and did not receive routine care, i.e. spaying and shots, even then. The situation is not fair to the animals and not fair to the child involved. At least some of them should be rehomed for both the family's sake and the animals' sakes.
A large part of the problem as far as the clash between the board and Bri has been her own attitude. When people have given advice or suggestions she did not like, or questioned things that she felt shouldn't be questioned, she became rude and sarcastic with lots of rolling eyes emotes, etc. This whole blow-up may not have happened if she had remained patient and polite with people even when they said things she did not wish to "hear." You aren't going to gain much empathy and understanding that way. I hope she can learn something by all of this but it seems she is stuck in the mind set that she's the victim and everyone else just out to get her. It's going to make life more difficult if she can't change that way of thinking and reacting to those around her. I certainly do hope and pray for the best for both people and pets involved.
I cannot agree with this more. I have said this over and over again. No one is helping Bri or her animals by keeping the animals in the home. They do not have the money, time, knowledge or patience to care for that many animals. It is only adding to the stress and financial hardship. Those that want to help Brianna need to assist in finding good homes for her animals, and be there to support her in her certain grief at having to give up some of her beloved animals. I do not know if the family is in a position to keep any of the animals, I would like to think that Bri could maintain at least one of her pets, but I am not sure if that is a realistic goal for this family. What those who are truly interested in being a friend to Bri need to do is gather around her, let her know that she is still a good and worthwhile person without the anilmals in her life, and that they will still be there for her. They then need to do whatever they can to assist in finding appropriate homes for the animals. It would be great if Bri would assist in this process since she knows the animals better than anyone, but it is understandable if it would be to difficult for her to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
As in every story there is much hidden and not said. Perhaps this girls mom has deeper problems then we know. Perhaps for her it's a struggle to find happiness on a daily basis.
If you are raised by someone who is dishonest, lazy, abuses drugs, drinks, you don't have a good role model. I am not saying her mom does any of these things I am speaking in general. Still if this girl's home life is unhappy she will have a hard time. Sometimes one person is all you have and if that person is not a good parent you feel very much alone in the world.
None of us really knows how bad it is for her or how good. If she has a snotty attitude that could be a defense against pain. We all know that many angry people are pain ridden and this is how they cope.
I want to end by saying I hope all goes well for her and the pets and that mom and daughter gets some therapy.
I have never read any of the threads asking for donations. Her threads were too young for me to enjoy from the very beginning. I hope they get help, as it sounds like it is needed. I do hope they will rehome the pets they have and focus on themselves and their needs.
I remembered this from a 12-step meeting ages ago...that there are often a lot of animals in dysfunctional families. Why? The kids receive love, unconditional at that. Her screen name says 'Roxy loves me', not 'I love Roxy'.
Another trait of DFs is that the child winds up having to act as a parent or an adult, the responsible one. She has said she could never leave because her mom needs her. What about what BRI needs?
I hope when Bri returns to school she will see the school counsellor, and find out that the behaviour she puts up with is not normal or loving (although her mom loves her, I am sure), and that it affects her badly.
Bri - we learn from our parents. If you ever have kids, you will treat them the way your mom treats you. The only way to prevent that is to start changing yourself now. The school counsellors are there to help, to talk to - and they don't gossip (it's against the law).
You deserve better, the best. Go for it.
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ditto here -Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
I certainly don't think your blind and gullible or stupid -
While I may not agree with you about her or her for that matter, I think what you've done for her is noble and outstanding. And just b/c I don't agree with you does not mean I would call you blind, gullible or stupid or even think that.
Please read all this before you respond (or not, as the case may be ;) ):
1. This is the reply from the shelter I got a few minutes ago:
2. I replied that removing the animals right now would be too hard on the young woman, as most shelters are really stressed to the max.Quote:
we would need the address and we can enforce the rabies. we will be happy to talk about spaying and neutering, nothing we can force on them though. the humane society has grant money to pay for spay/neuter, if they will contact the humane society. 423-926-8533
I will PM Bri the Humane Society info.
Needless to say, I am NOT providing an address or anything...that means the animals would die. Period. High-kill shelter. So I hope no one even THINKS about that. :mad:
That's all for now.
If that is the case and the humane society has spay/neuter funds maybe Bri will be eligible. I can't imagine why they wouldn't be seeing their current finacial situation. That would be good all the way around. Atleast then they are all good for another year healthwise and it gives Bri's mom a chance to get things together if she is willing and able to do so.
Priorities most certainly have to change and maybe Bri's mom will finally allow her to get a job of some sorts. I just hope things work out. Things definately need to change for the better for them. Not just for themselves but for the animals too. And things have to change both for mom & Bri's physical and mental health as well. The way they are right now is not healthy in anyway shape or form. I just want what is best for them because inside all the anger, attitude and sadness Bri is a lovely girl. She just needs a normal life with not all the stresses of dealing with the worries of an adult world (financial and otherwise).
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Originally Posted by Catty1
I had no idea that this post was even here. I am the one who took responsibility for having Gizzie spayed. I'm glad I could.
I have no idea what the uproar is about, otherwise, as I haven't received any other monetary gifts through Paypal or through the mail. I have Rhonda's cell phone number (Bri's mother) and I have spoken to her once before. She was very appreciative of our efforts to help them, and we did, at least with one pet.
I tried to help Candace in her effort to help Bri and her pets. That was it. And we know that all money that came to me was sent directly to Northridge Animal Hospital to pay for Gizzie's spay. I have a receipt from them to prove it.
Since the fact that the animals aren't spayed and neutered isn't really the problem in the household at this time, it really doesn't help at all. What is needed is someone who is connected with a no kill shelter that is willing to take the animals in until suitable housing can be found for them. Bri is going to need your support, don't let her down by letting her think that finding a low cost spay/neuter clinic is going to make everything alright. It will only prolong the problems.
Good point - but they will be easier to rehome if they are spayed and neutered, don't you think?Quote:
Bri is going to need your support, don't let her down by letting her think that finding a low cost spay/neuter clinic is going to make everything alright. It will only prolong the problems.
It would be great if they could be fostered somewhere in Bri's city, as she could still see them every so often. Maybe the Humane Society has temporary fosters...I am sure they would be willing to help with the whole situation if Bri and her mom asked.
I can't believe all of this, she has asked for money lots of times, the majority of people are saying forget it you spend your money unwisely so take care of it. Now catty you were defending her, now you are calling animal control and trying to rehome the pets. Sure they may be better off somewhere else but is it really your business? The pets are fed and as far as we can tell they are loved, this is getting a bit over the edge if you ask me. just my opinion.
Catty1 didn't call animal control to rehome the pets, she called them for suggestions as to what resources were available to help with the pets. I am the one who said (and has been saying) that the animals should be rehomed. And it is my (our?) business because Bri initially brought all of this to a head by asking for help to rehome Gizzy because of behavioral problems, which led to the spay suggestion and money drive. As a pet caring community we should be doing what we can to help these animals and at the same time to help this family.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Edited to Add: And as to your question Catty1, no I don't think having them neutered and spayed before being placed with a rescue will make a difference. I don't think rescue societies turn down animals because they aren't altered.
Caseysmom, I don't think catty called AC to rehome the pets. She e-mailed them for suggestions one exactly what to do. She stated that she wouldn't call AC in that area because the dogs/cats/etc. would be put to sleep if she did.
Thanks everyone it just seemed like it was headed that way or something.
And a suggestion to call child welfare.... :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Caseysmom>...
Amen sister!!!!
I have to tell you that in my experience, once a pet is rehomed, it is easier on all parties to let the adoption go through with no further interaction from the previous owner. I faced this situation, just last week, with Ben's adoptive family, asking to come see him and bring some more of his "things" to me. It was a hard call to make, but I had to tell them "no thanks". I think it would have been terribly confusing for him to see them and think maybe he had been on vacation for two weeks and was going to go back with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
I have no idea whether Bri and Rhonda are even thinking of rehoming their pets (and I seriously doubt it), but if they do, Bri does not need to visit them in their new homes.
I'm so sorry that this whole issue has turned ugly. We tried to help and we did help with Gizzie, but it is up to Rhonda and Bri to make the next step in being responsible owners.
Logan, Honey, Baby Mack, Ben, Butter, Roger, Milly and Otto
Posted by Catholic:1. First, for those who think I was calling Animal Control to seize the pets, go back and read the ENTIRE CONTENTS of #104. I think I state pretty clearly that I was NOT giving them the address, even if I had it. ES and caseysmom, I assume English IS your first language? ;)Quote:
No one in that family seems like they DESERVES pets. Yep. I am totally judging them. I would really have a problem if they lived near me, and, as a community of pet lovers, I don't get how anyone could support this behaviour.
I edited my post because Karen asked me too. I love how two faced those of you who cried to her about it are.
2. Regarding Catholic's part of post above - it's clear to me that some people here had much more knowledge of the situation than others. I was not one of the more informed people. I am now. That's not two-faced. That is learning more about the situation.
Even prior to that, I did shudder when Bri blatantly posted about asking for money again. Ugh. Not cool.
3. I cannot believe that anyone would think I was serious about calling child welfare - Bri could do that herself, if she wanted to. As I said in the post following, I was "grasping at a wet straw." I was just wishing something could be done about the situation.
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Originally Posted by Catty1
Can't
Believe
you have the GALL to say this. These are adults here.
I was just starting to change my opinion of you.
Glad you stopped that.
Yes english is my first language but I am wondering why you asked them what they could do regarding enforcing no rabies shots, why ask?
:eek: Please.
I don't get angry it just gives me some insight into who I am communicating with.Quote:
Originally Posted by shais_mom
Well, if you two had read the post with the AC email response, and my statement about what I would and would not do, those stupid accusations of my wanting AC to rehome the animals would not have been made.
I am patient, usually - but come on, you didn't read the whole post, or you wouldn't have jumped to those conclusions!
And see - you are not being two-faced; you are just learning more about me. :p
I simply will not stand for false accusations against me when I have clearly written the facts which differ.
Gall? You bet!!! :D