Disabled person in Wal-Mart thrown out!

Yes and you'd be surprised at how many do. That's why we have to have tags for our dogs and if we put their cape on there are plastic windows on each side to slide your ID in. In my opinion if you have nothing to hide, why make a big deal out of "legal" mumbo jumbo. Owner trained dogs are not recognized in most parts of Canada and never in Quebec. PSYCH dogs are also not recognized for the simple reason that there are psychyatrists to work with these disabilities. Our dogs do have to pass an access rights test before being qualified. To each his own I guess, but I totally approve of asking for ID. Not any worse than being asked for ID to get in a bar. :)

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What should be and what is are two totally different points. Personally I think all Service Dogs should be Vested or harnessed. Sheena and I never go out into a business without her vest on. This is not just so people can see she is working but also so kids can see the difference and so can businesses. But this is an opinion only. The law is that they don't have to be. So what is and what should be is two totally different things.
Nicole

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all I was trying to say, is maybe they should change the laws! I know the difference between what is and what should be!

OK Mike I am sooo sick of you posting false information and never backing it up. People she did th esame thing in the other thread and was proven false there to. Go look at teh other thread to see.

Psychiatric Service Dogs (PSD, what my Sheena is) are now starting to be recognized in Canada. The first PSD has been officially certified by a trainer and there are two training facilities in Canada for PSD. For PROOF read this letter from the Accessability Directorate of Ontario

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oATZRYK...oBlankname.pdf

Canada does not require certifaction or tags. Only a doctors note. Says so right in the letter. Also says Service Dog s for Mental Disabilities have as much rights as all ht eothers. And Service Dogs do not have to be from a facility they can be owner trained. Which is why only a doctor or nurses note is required. Do your research please or provide proof to back up your claims. I did. I provided an official letter to back me up. Can you? I am sick of your lies and posting lies about the laws. It is people like you that make access harder for people who have Servcie dogs.
Nicole

GEEEESH----I don't care what the laws are where you are. In Canada each town, city or district pass their own by-laws. Please stop with the legal mumbo jumbo. I don't go around collecting data or links to prove stuff. I'm here to discuss things. You aren't giving mental illnesses a very fair chance with your rudeness.
I was chatting with other members about what we believed should be. No one asked for legalities or referees.
Do me a favor and bypass my posts when I am discussing with other members

You were stating things as law. And sorry but you are wrong. Each town or city does not make up their own requirements for Service dog laws. The Provinces do. Each province is different. If you had said "well I think it should be this way" in stead of saying it like "It is this way" tehn that would be different. But you didn't. You posted it as fact. You posted about PSD's as if you knew fact about them when I have shwon proof that you don't. Proof that I have shown you many many times. Stop saying things about service dogs and the laws as fact and I will stop correcting you. Until then I will continue to make sure people get the proper facts and proof to back it up so that everyone knows the true legal aspect of it.

As for my disability you have no right to use that as a part of this conversation. Just because your constant lies make me mad and your constant posting about falsehoods about laws and non for profits upsets me has nothing to do with my disability and how it looks to others. If they had any idea of how long i have been dealing with you and your posting of false info on forums they would know why I am so sick of it.
Nicole

Cant you two just leave eachother alone??? this is getting quite old! put eachother on Ignore, and be done with it!

I usually do ignore her. But I do have to correct her when she posts falsehoods about Service dog laws because the things she says and posts could affect someones access. She posts things as laws and facts when in fact they are not. If she stopped doing that then I would ignroe it. But since I am a member of the Service dog community and I know how hard things can be when miss information is spread I have to make sure the proper infomation is out there. Sorry if it is a problem. Trust me. Her posting of false information is a real problem for me and others.
Nicole

I said nothing about your disability, I referred to mental illness in general. You are the one pointing it out yourself.
As I said, no one appointed you to correct anything posted here, so why take it upon yourself to do so.
Since you are so set on links, here's one I think you should read, it's from the california laws in the US
http://www.dogbiteslaw.com/PAGES/blind,htm


I would like to apologize to the other members for having to see stuff like this on the forum.

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I said nothing about your disability, I referred to mental illness in general. You are the one pointing it out yourself.
As I said, no one appointed you to correct anything posted here, so why take it upon yourself to do so.
Since you are so set on links, here's one I think you should read, it's from the california laws in the US
http://www.dogbiteslaw.com/PAGES/blind,htm


I would like to apologize to the other members for having to see stuff like this on the forum.

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I thought you were talking about Canadian law? That is waht you are posting about and now you are posting a link to a dog bite law page in the States? What does that have to do with the ADA and Canadian laws about Service dogs? You sure like to change the subject when you can't back yourself up.
Nicole

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I said nothing about your disability, I referred to mental illness in general. You are the one pointing it out yourself.
As I said, no one appointed you to correct anything posted here, so why take it upon yourself to do so.
Since you are so set on links, here's one I think you should read, it's from the california laws in the US
http://www.dogbiteslaw.com/PAGES/blind,htm


I would like to apologize to the other members for having to see stuff like this on the forum.

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In what manner does this link even remotely tie into the wal mart incident??

I merged these two threads, as the second "wal-mart incident" thread really is just part of this same thread/thought, and that way people didn't have to post the same thing over and over.

Thanks so much Karen. Sure makes things easier for me. My hands were getting tired. lol
Nicole

You didn't click in the right link...it is about service dogs. Try googling it or maybe you prefer not reading it. That's why I don't bother with links.

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You didn't click in the right link...it is about service dogs. Try googling it or maybe you prefer not reading it. That's why I don't bother with links.

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You posted the link. You are the one responsible to make sure we are taken to the right page because you are the one trying to prove your point. That link takes us to a page that is titled Dogsbitelaw.com. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand? It has nothing to do with not wanting to see it. If that was the case we wouldn't know where the links take us.
Nicole

Let sleeping dogs lie. When I tried all your links I always got...this page cannot be displayed.
Don't stress your brain over nothing.

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Let sleeping dogs lie. When I tried all your links I always got...this page cannot be displayed.
Don't stress your brain over nothing.

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Sorry but the things you have posted about Service Dogs and the false information about the laws and regulations is definately not NOTHING to me.
Nicole

Ho HUM....zzzzzzz

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Ho HUM....zzzzzzz

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Mike I am asking nicely and once, that when you are proven wrong in many areas on the same thread to be an adult ....refrain from such disrespectful replies in order to bump your thread.
And in the name of maturity, admit you are wrong or ill informed, learn a little something and go on with your life. Wiser and better informed.

This isn't the first thread that your behaviour has shown badly against you and I am certain it won't be the last. Alas I am sure we will hear more of your posturing and your ranting and your ill placed righteousness. However it is entertaining, so I will induldge you , your next petty response.

I was discussing with someone else when someone disrespectfully cut in. I think someone else should grow up also. I have never in my life met someone so arrogant and passive aggressive. I have asked her politely to ignore my posts, which for some reason she refuses to do. I repeat, where I live our dogs are certified and wear a black and red tag. If I am following our laws I don't much care what others do in regards to their laws. I am Canadian citizen, not an American. Each state handles their laws in ways they see fit.

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I was discussing with someone else when someone disrespectfully cut in. I think someone else should grow up also. I have never in my life met someone so arrogant and passive aggressive. I have asked her politely to ignore my posts, which for some reason she refuses to do. I repeat, where I live our dogs are certified and wear a black and red tag. If I am following our laws I don't much care what others do in regards to their laws. I am Canadian citizen, not an American. Each state handles their laws in ways they see fit.

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This is a blantant attack at me and is totally uncalled for. AS YOU ALREADY KNOW I am Canadian. You have know that for a very long time. So don't play stupid. And I have as much right to post in threads as you do. Usually I ignore you. But when you post false information and lies about Service dogs, the laws pertaingin to them and also Non For Profit Agencies I have to step in and make sure your lies are corrected so that the public knows what the true laws are. IN CANADA Service Dogs do not have to wear tags! They DO NOT have to be Certified. They DO NOT have to be vested. You only have to have a Doctor or nurses note. That is all. The false info you have posted and refuse to learn the truth about can cause many service dog users Access Problems. Agian I ask you(actually no I plead with you) DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Nicole

is there any way you two could take this to PM's?? this is getting old!

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is there any way you two could take this to PM's?? this is getting old!

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As long as she keeps publicly posting the false info about Service dogs and the laws I can't take it to PM because then people would see her false info but not the truth. So as long as she keeps refusing to see the truth and keeps posting the false info I will have to keep correcting her. I apologize that this looks bad but I am a Service Dog user and I know how much misinformation can hurt Service Dog users and cause huge access problems.
Nicole

all i see is you guys talikng about the same thing over and over again! This should be called the mike and Nicole argument thread! We all get it already! he was wrong you were right, enough!

I am closing this thread, as everything that needs to be said obviously has been. Peace, folks.