Please don't stay away from this huge community because of 2 people, you know the rest of us love your girls. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadapit
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Please don't stay away from this huge community because of 2 people, you know the rest of us love your girls. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadapit
I wanted to get everyone's responses on this subject and I did. What I don't understand is that most of you foster the blame unto the owners who own pitts. No one seems to realize that these dogs were originally bred to kill bulls in the ring. They would clamp their jaws on a bull's jugular and not release until the bull died. This is an awfully hard trait to breed out of an animal. I've also noticed that on some forums if a child is mauled it's the child's fault, or again, the child and the owner. Why is it never the dog's fault? From what I gather pitts are banned in Ontario and many other places, there has to be a reason for this. I fully agree that any dog can bite, even Shepherds, Dobes, R otties, etc. But these breeds release when told to, a pitt will never release. I'm just wondering with all the controversy and the banning of pitts, why anyone would choose that breed in the first place. There are so many other loveable breeds to choose from that won't have you constantly watching for the dog's next move??? I have read and watched on the news too many maulings from these dogs to feel comfortable with them. To me a child's life is always more important than a dog's. Any human life comes first in my mind.
I've never put the blame on an owner or a child for a pitt attack, most were dedicated owners who thought their dogs were "safe". I see it as tempting fate when owning a pitt. Just my opinion, but things do happen. :confused:
If you had read everyones responses, then you would not have posted this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike001
Rottweilers were bred to pull wagons of meat, they are draft dogs. They were also used as guardians because of their size and strength.
Dobermanns, Michelle are bred as a PERSONAL protection dog. Their function is to kill a threat to its' ONE master.
German Shepherds, were not only herding dogs but War dogs,
Staffies weren't bred to "fight" bulls, they were bred to kill the bull when the Human fighter failed. They were also used by the way to rid the farmer and owners land of large vermin.
As for "watching the dogs next move"??? I spend a hell of a lot more time watching my Cocker than I do my kids Staffies, or my dobies.
I also watch closely the JRT next door as he has 9 dead animals to his name and 4 bitten kids, but hey who wants to talk bad about Wishbone? or Eddie?
Whoops, I guess I forgot to re-read the meaning of my post! :o What I meant to say was that no matter what the reputation is, any dog's mind is not consantly occupied by the drive of catching and killing. I suppose that's what you get for trying to write posts at nearly midnight after a long school day. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by cyber-sibes
What on earth does that have to do with anything? I read through both of yours and Kym's posts and really, it's a little childish bringing such matters down to bantering between our genders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Love That Collie
As for the whole situation of pit bulls and the likewise breeds here in the UK, as far as I'm aware it's illegal to breed and sell pit bulls and staffies etc, but not illegal to buy or own one. I'm not entirely sure if that's true or not so someone please correct me if I am mistaken.
I do, however, believe this thread has gone way off topic and it's a real shame to see fracturelines appearing once again in PT's general friendly nature. I think perhaps it would be a good idea if we go and cool down, hug a pet, then come back and think about how nasty posts may affect our fellow Pet Talkers.
There is a HUGE difference between PREY DRIVE (going after a swan) and aggression/being vicious (going after something for no reason.)
And that is all I will comment on because this thread had gotten incredibly childish.
Thanks Miss Z, I really didnt realise what a can of worms I was opening. It seems a really touchy subject. Som people seem really hardcore in their opinions but some have been kind and rational, especially you, thanks again.
gwen- The fact is- each dog was bred for a purpose- a sighthound will chase, a doberman is personal protection and a pit will fight a bull 1/10th its size- then other dogs-...
You can NOT shut of the driven instincts of a breed- its in there- just like prego commercials- its in there...
I fault the club that refuses to say this is what you need to do for good ownership of a breed... My club does- but most others do not... I knew when my first borzoi came into the house- that was it for cats- and I need to make sure they do not run in a open field or they willl get too far- too quick to hear me call them back..
Each breed has a " form to function" to consider... and people that really could less about the breed breeding whatever to whatever- is part of the problem- the other half of the problem- THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT DO NOT REALIZE THAT THE DOG had a FUNCTION to start with...
The few here that are constantly bashing pit bulls. I think we all know what your opinions are, honesty why must you state those opinions over and over and over?
I am sincerely wondering why???
People do not understand why the breed was created- and WE did it... without this knowledge- people do not understand just WHAT they are getting into... Whatever the breed- the breeds were made for a function... Its up to the breed clubs to set a standard of ownership- my breed club does- and others do also- time for the staffy club to do the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by borzoimom
What amazes me is that Gwen just asked a simple question that someone with great knowledge on the breed could have answered - instead of everyone getting into yet another debate on staffies and pitties.
No one knows whether this thread was made to create waves or not, but like I said, someone could have just answered her question and saved all this fighting and childishness.
I think that there has been enough threads like this now that everyone should be able to control themself and act maturely.
Us humans all had things in our past...that is not what we are today, we no longer hunt or forage for the most part, you just can't evaluate us based on ancient history. Same with dogs.
The pitties at the shelter I volunteer at are hands down the best behaved dogs in the place.
But the same drive in humans is there- to survive- to live- and to get enough... Same traits...
No they are not the same traits as our predecessors have, we are all evolving. Nothing ever stays the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by borzoimom
You are not sucking me into another pit bull bashing thread. I am done here, and when I say that I mean it.
Thread needs kittens now!! ;) ;)
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I'm so sick of these threads, I can't tell you how angry it makes me feel. I don't have time to read through 7 pages, but I have read page 6 and some comments were really uncalled for.
It's two people in particular, one I know nothing about, except she HAS NO CLUE what she is talking about. I hate when people come onto a thread like this a make false assumptions, accusations, and completely go off topic. The main purpose of this thread was Staffies not pitbulls.
I don't know how much times I have to say it but......
Dogs are effected more by their owners then anything else. If I were too hit Sassy, beat her, and leave her on a chain outside 24/7 she would have fear agression. She doesn't have fear agression because she is not abused. DOGS aren't bored fearful and/or agressive. NOTE: Im using that as an example, I DONT abuse my dog. Just go back and look at her pic threads for proof. ;)
The main point of this is, if you don't know something, and you're going to make false statements, save yourself from looking like a fool, and keep your mouth shut. :rolleyes:
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Breed History
The American Staffordshire Terrier is not a new breed. Although it gained American Kennel Club registration and recognition in 1936, it has been developed since the early 1800's as a result of crosses between the bulldogs of that time and game terriers. One of the early and very famous AKC registered Staffs was Pete the Pup, (real name Lucenay's Peter), dog star of the original Our Gang comedies of the 1930's.
Although the early ancestors of this breed came from England, the development of the American Staffordshire Terrier is the story of a truly American breed. This type of dog was instrumental in the success of farmers and settlers who developed this country. They were used for general farm work, hunting wild pigs, bears, and other large game, guarding the homestead, and general companionship.
A number of the early ancestors were also developed for the "sport" of dog fighting. The extraordinary vitality of this breed is a direct result of breeding for successful fighting dogs. This now illegal activity is, unfortunately, more often cited as the early purpose of the dogs rather than the general farm work.
Although ancestors of the American Staffordshire were fighting dogs, the selective breeding since the 1930's has been away from the fighting heritage. The American Staffordshire Terrier of today is a companion and show dog, rather than a gladiator. Although more rarely used on the farm now, the talents that made him a good all purpose dog are still to be found in the breed.
Staffordshire Club of America Website
Quote Miss Z:from Originally Posted by Love That Collie
FYI, no, I don't believe that I did know conclusively that you are a female.
What on earth does that have to do with anything? I read through both of yours and Kym's posts and really, it's a little childish bringing such matters down to bantering between our genders:End Quote......................................
Maybe you better go back and re-read again.
I agree with Kay...prey drive is totally different from aggression, or "viciousness". And dog aggressive does not automatically translate to human aggressive. I should know, I have a dog that is aggressive towards strange dogs! And he has NO aggressive tendencies towards people-we have kids that mess with him all the time.
I totally forget the sources, but I have read before that if someone had a Pittie back in the day to fight, and it bit a person, it would be destroyed. You cannot have a dog in a fighting ring that bites people...just bringing it to the ring could be dangerous, especially if the dog bit someone in the crowd. They would be culled.
People say pits turn on people. There is a trigger, something is not right...no dog "turns" (unless there is a medical reason). What I wonder about is the people that get a pit, and use it as a guard dog...then the dog either escapes, or someone "rescues" it, and it gets put in a new home...and then it has a tendency to bite. And I don't know what posessed people to get pits as guard dogs in the first place...that wasn't their intended purpose.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...I have been bitten by a lab, a bichon, and a bull terrier. Agressively by the lab and bichon, and playfully chomped down on by the bull terrier.
I don't want to drag this in here, but I will. And I expect to get bashed for it. Anyone who is 100% against pits, is racist against that breed. You can say the SAME thing for the races of people. Definately not getting into a racist argument, and not trying to offend anyone, but it is said that when black people move into a neighborhood, crime goes up, the neighborhood value goes down...etc etc. Not that I believe in this, but that is what is said. Not every black person steals, and not every white person is an angel. It's the same exact thing with breeds of dog.
I saw a bumper sticker once...it was awesome..it said "STOP RACIAL PROFILING" with a picture of a black man, white man, asian woman, and a pit bull.
I am closing this thread. Enough has been said, and the original question has been answered. No further bickering need happen.