I think history will show what kind of president Bush is, it seems like all the truths come out later, I honestly think it won't reflect well on this presidency.
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I think history will show what kind of president Bush is, it seems like all the truths come out later, I honestly think it won't reflect well on this presidency.
:) Thank you Donna = I could have not worded it any better myself..Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Now you can understand me. Your the same age and your brother also went to Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maltese_Love
The reason I think Bush is a liar is not because of the media. It's because he will sya everything is getting better in Iraq and it's NOT. He has said things that I asked my brother about and it's LIES. My brother, like Maltese_Love's, had to experience the real thing so they know.
Maltese, the President DID lower taxes. My federal tax bill went down and I'm far from rich.
The President does not work in a vaccum, and does NOT hold all the power in the country. While the Republican Party on paper controls both houses of Congress, it is a very slim and fractious majority. He cannot simply decide on Monday to do something and have the House and Senate hack off on it and have it law on Tuesday, as his plans for Social Security, taxes, and various budgetary items have shown. The President is in many cases a small part of what goes on. An example of this would be the numbe rof Presidential Vetoes out of his office. At the moment, I believe the number of Vetoes by the President is 0, as he knows the vetoes would be overridden by the congress he supposedly controls.
Things are getting better in Iraq. There is a small portion of the country that is not under control, and that's all the media cares to report on. If you asked a soldier in the Hurtgoen Forest in Germany at the close of WW2 how he thought the war was going, he probably would have said we were in deep trouble and were losing. Why? Because that small sector of the war the soldier saw was where we were getting pounded. The casualty rate was enormous, soldiers were going in as fresh troops one day and out on a stretcher (if they were lucky) the next. While this was going on, the Third Army was rolling up the Southern flank of the Reich and the war was ending. These soldiers in the forest would never have known it, though, as they only saw their sphere of action.
Dab, I believe you said your brother is a Marine, in which case he falls into the same category as the soldiers in the forest. The Marines are in some of the toughest sectors in the fight (Fallujah for example), and don't see a lot of what is going on in the rest of the theater.
The US is also fighting the war on terrorism on other fronts than Iraq, but Iraq is the only one that makes the news. We have soldiers in the Phillipines assisting the fight there. We have soldiers all over the Horn of Africa, and many other places in the world that don't get media coverage, but that doesn't mean they are not fighting terrorism. I have a friend who has spent more time in Africa over the last 4 years than he has spent in the US, but there aren't any cameras covering what he has done. Iraq is merely the cause celebre that people opposed to the President's policies are using to attack what he has done, while most of what he has done was done with the full consent of congess, including the democrats.
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Thanks for explaining some of that to me. :)
If you want to see that thigs are inproving this web site has nothing to do with thew Gov.
http://www.goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
Thanks. I will look over the website.
Amen, Karen. Just remember too, that if you want to vote for a third party to go ahead and vote for them even if you know they won't necessarily make it into office. You're still letting the government know how you feel about what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
One thing to remember.....there are three sides to every story...his, hers and the truth....
Has Bush lied?....to answer that question requires us to know his intent. Has he said some things that were untrue? Yes. Many of his statements regarding the tax cut and who it would help were misleading at best. Yellow cake uranium....bad intelligence. WMDs (which one of his guys said....we know they have them and we know where they are?) Mission accomplished....which he balmed on the sailors..... Today I was in a book store and there was a whole book of the Lies of Bush and His Administration! I didn't buy it as I was already over my limit. Next time.
I believe the nation was mislead into the war in Iraq. Bush shakes the rattle of 9/11...like a voodoo witch doctor...to justify violating the civil rights of Americans. Remember....there has been no connection found between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11. Bush himself has said that. And no WMD.
In fact....many believe the invasion has HELPED Al Qaida recruit. Feeling safer all the time? Take a look at the election of Hamas in Palestine this week.
Is Saddam a bad guy? Absolutely. But let's talk about bad guys (see last week's Parade magazine for a list of the 10 worst...) North Korea, Zimbawe, China..... Are they as bad as Saddam?....depends on whether you live in Iraq or North Korea! Are we going to spill the blood of our people to take out all these bad guys....or will we pick and chose?
Are things better in Iraq? Does the press only report bad news? Those are opinions. Did Bush squander the good will of most of the world toward the US after 9/11? Again...an opinion.
Am I right and he is wrong? Three sides to every story....
Just don't let anyone use fear...the rattle...or fast talk or loose facts and figures to convince you.
Read everything you can. Ask lots of questions.
And remember this quote...."he who is willing to give up freedom for security will have neither."
I wouldn't know because I'm not yet 18 but my parents say they rather pay higher taxes to help the country and I can see where they are coming from.
As for the common sence and problem solving type intelegence of our President, I don't see how it can be too high. However much I would like to give someone else a chance, I know I will probably never be more than 60% happy with the government even though I tend to be on the liberal 'let everything slide' side, I'm not religious and I would like to see the total separation of any spiritual feelings and government, even though that is NEVER going to happen
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
There's three sides to every story babe:
There's yours and there's mine and the cold, hard truth
I think there's something missing 'round here
I don't know where it's gone
But it's a long way back home
-dh
I feel really safe, What does Hamas have to do with the US?
If you want to feel threatened look at the warning that the Gov't. put out to the people who built the border tunnel in San Diego.....THEY ARE IN DANGER?
What about us? You live closer to the border and to SAN ONOFRE.....Let me know if anything happens? :eek:
And the Voodoo witch doctor thing?
Everyone is worried about GWB's beliefs and now we have to worry about Santeria!!
I say we pick and choose our enemies...
We start out with the morons and work our way up the ladder....you know, kinda like a tournament!
I am still waiting for my cheap Iraqi oil.......After all, we have paid for it in blood..
"He who is willing to give up freedom for security will have neither-
But if you want to be a bobo and tuck you head in the sand, remember to keep your pants up. There are people out there that will take advantage of someone not watching their six"
"Watching your six" is a fighter pilot saying....it means not paying attention to what is behind you!
I think we need Hillary!Quote:
Originally Posted by dab_20
I didn't read all of the other responses, but as far as I'm concerned the war is more for Bush's personal gain than anything else. I hate that man and I can't imagine anyone doing a worse job than he has. He seems to disregard what so many people think and does what he wants (or whatever is best for him).
NOOOOOOOO :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by KBlaix
Bush's personal gain? WHAT personal gain?
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
That will never happen, not while Bush is President anyway. Don't forget he's in the oil business. He wants the prices we pay to be high, it means more money in his pockets. After all isn't that what his goal is- to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. If that's not his goal, he sure is fooling me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD