I'm hoping you adopted him out to a shelter or new family? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by babychicaleek
Adn please remember that getting rid of the male is no excuse for not getting the mother spayed after she has her litter.
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I'm hoping you adopted him out to a shelter or new family? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by babychicaleek
Adn please remember that getting rid of the male is no excuse for not getting the mother spayed after she has her litter.
Got "rid of"? How so? I sure hope you didn't just toss him outside or dump him elsewhere. Even if you gave him to the Humane Society, you just handed him a death sentence. So, you are not an adult. That does not mean you cannot make mature and responsible choices that affect any animal's life.Quote:
Originally Posted by babychicaleek
As a kid, I would have been all over my mom til she got my pet spayed,... but then again, I wouldn't have HAD to be all over her. We knew that if you got a pet - you got it spayed at 6 months. and if I knew I'd have no influence over my parents and how they'd respect my pet, I'd tell them I wasn't interested in having one. And spays? Like I said, there are FREE ones out there, ones you as a minor can find and get for your pet even if you don't have a part time job.
We are not trying to make you feel like a bad pet parent. If you feel that way, its your own guilt reflected upon yourself knowing you are wrong. All that we have told you isn't something new and shocking. There have been "spay and Neuter" drives in every area of the country for a good 20 years. Ignorance doesn't make animal neglect right. And NOT spaying your cat is neglect. "Getting rid" of a pet is neglect.
Too darn bad if you don't like the truth.
yeah we had to get RID of him sorry but we are TIGHT with money to afford 1 CAT now i dunno where we put that cat but we would never get RID of Gemini she is now happy he is gone but we gave him away to OUR neighbors but THEY had him for A WEEK they didnt like him HE WAS BAD
i was just asking what i wanted to know then yall DRAGGED it to a NEW subject ok
[QUOTE]We are not trying to make you feel like a bad pet parent. If you feel that way, its your own guilt reflected upon yourself knowing you are wrong. All that we have told you isn't something new and shocking. There have been "spay and Neuter" drives in every area of the country for a good 20 years. Ignorance doesn't make animal neglect right. And NOT spaying your cat is neglect. "Getting rid" of a pet is neglect.
Too darn bad if you don't like the truth"
Well put.
Babychicaleek,
Hey, you asked for the advice and I gave it. But I want you also to know that I TOTALLY agree with Catnapper and everyone else here. We speak from experience, rescuing HUNDREDS not to mention THOUSANDS (right, Jan?) of cats abandoned, neglected and abused from the streets everyday. It breaks my heart.
Please do the right thing and have your cats spayed AND neutered when they become of age, not AFTER they've had 4 or 5 litters. If you want to experience it, rent the movie! :(
A Cat is not bad,hes a Cat doing what Cats do,when they are not neutered,and is shunted from house to house.
Does that mean,that sadly hes a homeless stray?
Is there a No Kill Shelter near you,where you can take him,where he will have a chance at a New Home.
We are praying for that Poor Cat.
I see so many Boy Cats on the Porch,that someone didnt want,not to be sad over your former Companion.
NOBODY here "dragged" it to a new subject. We're just going on what you tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by babychicaleek
Getting rid of the male cat is in NO WAY a substitute for spaying the mother after she has her litter. PERIOD. If you think that "getting rid" of the male will solve your problems, you are terribly mistaken.
You say you can't even afford to take care of one cat now, but you have a pregnant mother?? You wouldn't have had that problem in the first place if you would have been a responsible pet owner and did the responsible thing. But now that you have kittens on the way, if you can not provide the mother proper medical care and attention throughout and after her pregnancy, and also vet bills for the kittens, then you really need to think of other alternatives.
Maybe this will be a learning experience for you in the future to get future pets spayed and neutered.
LOLOL.... more excuses. :rolleyes: If anyone knows what its like trying to afford cats when you can barely afford to live yourself, it is me. Lets just say we barely make ends meet each month, and we are seriously in debt up to our eyeballs.... yet I do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure my cats are well taken care of and fed the best possible foods.
I plan for vet visits months in advance and sock away a few dollars here and there for their annual visits. I have friends who help me when they have emergencies, and I repay them as I can. I live on mac-n-cheese and PB&J sandwiches just so I can afford their special food.
Once again, this will be the THIRD time I mention it --- and I'll capitalize it this time so you don't miss it: THERE ARE FREE SPAY AND NEUTER PROGRAMS AVAILABLE!!!!
There is NO excuse for not spaying your cat. No excuse for dumping a spraying unneutered male: thats what unneutered males DO. FYI, unneutered males also tend to have a slew of behavioral issues like dominace and aggression. Getting them fixed tends to fix all the issues.
I am not sure how old you are, but to come on a pet loving site and to tell us you got rid of the boy cat because he was bad, is disgusting to me, and I am not going to apologise if this makes you feel bad, because if that is what was done then you should feel more than bad, really really horrible, it was up to you and your parents to be responsible and find a decent home for this poor cat, there is no such thing as a bad cat, honestly your post infuriates me and makes my blood boil, no matter how old you are, my daughter is 13 and would never ever contemplate such an act.
I hope you took some of the advice offered to you,because it was good solid advice from experienced people.
I don't mean to sound rude but you all attacked this poor person for not doing what "you" think is right. Now I am not saying that what she did was right but everyone has their own opinion. All she did was ask for suggestions on what to do. Maybe she was just looking into it for her own education and her parents have everything under control. She also said that she gave the boy cat to her neighbors and THEY got RID of him because he was bad, not her. :( How was she to know what they would do, maybe they took him to a no kill shelter you weren't there and you all don't know the whole story. It is comments like these from judgemental people that has made me not come here as much, not everyone but there are a few that make it hard to comment being afraid of being "attacked". Yes those cats should have been fixed, in my opinion, but they weren't. I understand the whole over populated kitty problem and yes it is sad but it is life, and we can all do what we can to help the problem but it will never be fixed, period. :eek: Man some people...
I feel terribly sad for all the cats involved. I get "rid of" trash...not living breathing animals. Poor tom cat will be a statistic soon. :(
That sounds judgemental in itself. If she wanted people to pat her on the back and say "Gee, I'm so sorry you are in this mess honey.." its isn't going to happen here. Truth is she MADE this mess for herself by not spaying her cat. There are way too many people who put their heart and souls into rescuing animals just like her cat because their owners don't provide proper veterinary care or they do not work with their pets when problems arise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisamb
You want comisseration, find a message board where people are ignorant of cat behavior and care. Perhaps a site on rock collecting... but there you might find someone who knows abot cats and would tell you the truth.
Some people... I was thinking that about HER because SHE isn't listening to us. SHE is giving excuse after excuse. Youth is NOT an excuse. Yes, when I was young, I had limited resources but I still took care of my responsibilities. I have a new foster as of last night because my DAUGHTER brought him home. She couldn't bear the thought of him out in the snow.... and she made sure I took him in. I'll say it again: is NOT an excuse, merely a hurtle to overcome.
I am sorry you feel like you'd be attacked for something. Not everyone comes here knowledgable in all things feline. I know I didn't. But I aslso had enough common sense NOT to get my cats pregnant.
At the clear risk of getting my head bitten off....
I think the point has been made that this person has made mistakes in judgement, but she DID come seeking advice and education. Perhaps THAT could be the focus?
She has limited funds and kittens on the way and it is not clear how involved or aware of sensitive pet care her parents are. Maybe helping her LEARN would be good?
If it is a matter of proving I'm on the lines helping cats, well I live with ten cats...all with hard luck stories attached. Both of my dogs are rescues. Only the birds and the bunny were purchased as "premium" pets...and even two of the birds had health issues that were part of the reason the came to me.
I too have kittens that came from nightmares of neglect...Jack who was left behind in an apartment with two other cats and four pit bulls when his owners moved, was rescued by one of my students (who thought he was a she) and turned over to me when the landlord found out about him. Belladonna who was taken too young from her mother by a student and then given to me because she was not able to eat or eliminate. Her siblings were taken by the student's aunt and all died...Bella is going on three now. I often too go without so my animals have what they need. I spent hundreds of dollars to save the life of a stray I saw run over. I can not count the sick ones and the dying I have comforted and tried to bring to any easier life.
These are choices as adults we are free to make.
As a child I used to steal food from the pantry for our animals and vetted them as best I could with the help of my mom and gram. We did not go to thje doctor either but took care of what we could ourselves. Vets and doctors were for accidents. That was the reality for us. It would be wonderful if everyone has the wisdom and funds to make every cat life perfect...It would be wonderful if that were possible for humans too.
With education and guidance maybe someday it might be. It is hard not to blame when you are on the front lines with the victims, but please consider if blaming is going to do anything here except shut the door on learning how to become a responsible pet mom. Is continuing blaming going to accomplish anything except venting frustration at a problem that is way bigger that this young person? I'm not suggesting patting her back for mistakes, but how about helping her learn not to make those mistakes? Isn't that what adults are supposed to do? Or is our compassion for mistakes only for cats?
Thank you.......well said.
Lisamb since you posted your comments after my post I think you probably were referring to some of my comments, fair enough that is your right, however I wish to point out to you that usually I am the one to stand up for people and say not to be too hard on them etc etc, but you know what the shoe has been on the other foot in this instance, I am personally experiencing the end result of people not spaying their animals, and believe me it has caused nothing but a big headache and much not needed stress in my life, I have decided to be the responsible person in my neighbourhood because the owner won't and neither will anyone else, because I am an animal lover and cannot stand by and just witness terrible things happening, all of which is due to irresponsible people who refuse to spay their animals, the problems caused are far more than you think or even realise, I find it impossible to be sympathetic in this situation where normally I would, but hey I am now in amongst it all myself and truely understanding what Kim and other foster and rescuers really go through , and believe me if anyone has the right to speak up they do.
Having said that I do agree we can try and educate her, but being all sweet and nice as pie does not teach her or her parents anything, as kim would put it sugar coating it, I certainly will not defend anyone who choose to be an irresponsible pet owner regardless of their age, Kim is right youth is not an excuse, My own child is 13 and she is true animal lover who would take her responsibilities seriously.
Yes she said she gave the cat away, or should i word it as she did, she got rid of it, it was up to her to ensure the kitty was given to a good home and throughly investigate the prospective home IMO.
I certainly have no apologies to make to anyone . Just one more thing I do hold her parents responsible, but she can also do her bit, maybe educating her own parents, worth a try. Barncat you raised some good points and I am not entirley disagreeable with you at all, and yes what is done is done I suppose, but still it is not easy just to let comments like we got rid of him slide by, not for me anyhow.