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11-10-2005, 09:28 PM
king2005

Our kennel sells ALL dogs at a high price. But there is a reason.

1. You have to have $$ to buy the dog, so chances are you'll have enough to care for it.

2. Keeps stupid kids from buying them.

3. Keeps Puppy Millers away.

4. ALL puppies come with a 2000.00 insurance up to 2 years.

5. All puppies are treated with meds the moment they set paw inside our store, to prevent/treat nasty things. Also many dogs go to the vets for surgery if they have a problem. A Cocker had a cherry eye & he was sent to the vets & now hes pretty again. Also there are a LOT of Kennel staff & I'm not cheap & my pay is going up several dollars in a couple months.

6. The puppies have TONES of blankets, expensive toys, & treats, gosh SOOO MANY TREATS!!! Oh & the puppies are fed a good quality food, not cheap junk.

7. A vet comes every Thur & checks the knees, jaws, eyes, ears, privates & lungs. If a puppy has any problem its recorded on its papers (thats given to the buyer-new mommy or daddy).

Our registered puppies start at a min of 2200.00, our English Bulldog is from Germany & shes 5000.00 & the registration switch is free (switching it from German to CKC).

Our special mutts start at 1500.00, but they get the same treatments as the 5000.00 dogs. If we see good owners who really love the special mutts, we do lower the price for them by 500.00-600.00. Its easy to spot the true animal lovers, they usually are buying a 2ed dog & they show up several times to meet the dog & bring their dog in.

We also reject a lot of people who want to buy a dog.. if they seem snooty or someone in the family seems like they might hurt the dog from their temperment, we say the dog is on hold due to illness & its unsellable.

I love dogs & I'm big on the care (I've worked for the OSPCA before) & thats why I'm proud to work there. Its different from other pet stores & it shows in our puppies & staff.
11-13-2005, 09:32 AM
wolfie

There are lots of poodles and poodle mixes on petfinder. Check in the petfinder classifieds too - that's where people who have to get rid of their dog, but don't want to bring it to a shelter, can post their dogs for adoption.
http://www.petfinder.com/
Have whoever in your house is allergic to dogs spend time with your future dog before taking it home. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by king2005

Our kennel sells ALL dogs at a high price. But there is a reason.

1. You have to have $$ to buy the dog, so chances are you'll have enough to care for it.

There are people who spend lots of money on a dog, and then don't give it proper care or take it to the vet. And there are people who get a dog free from the pound, and give it all the care it needs, and so much more. Unless you can offer proof/statistics, I don't believe that people who spend lots of money purchasing a pet take better care of him/her than people who got their pet for free.
11-13-2005, 12:28 PM
poofy

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Originally Posted by wolfie

There are people who spend lots of money on a dog, and then don't give it proper care or take it to the vet. And there are people who get a dog free from the pound, and give it all the care it needs, and so much more. Unless you can offer proof/statistics, I don't believe that people who spend lots of money purchasing a pet take better care of him/her than people who got their pet for free.

This is the thing, lots of people that spen a lot of money on animals or what ever it dont mean any more than a person that spends less..I have found the people love what they get are the only ones that take care of it, for rich or for poor..I havent a lot of money..I spent more on Yollie than I ever thought I would..lol..and I dont care one less bit for sammyj because he cost less much less, hes jsut as important and I love him just as much..like I said I dont have money..but my dogs see the vet eat good food and are very well taken care of..its the people that make the differnce not the money.. :D
11-13-2005, 02:05 PM
Giselle

Quote:

Originally Posted by king2005

Our kennel sells ALL dogs at a high price. But there is a reason.

1. You have to have $$ to buy the dog, so chances are you'll have enough to care for it.

2. Keeps stupid kids from buying them.

3. Keeps Puppy Millers away.

4. ALL puppies come with a 2000.00 insurance up to 2 years.

5. All puppies are treated with meds the moment they set paw inside our store, to prevent/treat nasty things. Also many dogs go to the vets for surgery if they have a problem. A Cocker had a cherry eye & he was sent to the vets & now hes pretty again. Also there are a LOT of Kennel staff & I'm not cheap & my pay is going up several dollars in a couple months.

6. The puppies have TONES of blankets, expensive toys, & treats, gosh SOOO MANY TREATS!!! Oh & the puppies are fed a good quality food, not cheap junk.

7. A vet comes every Thur & checks the knees, jaws, eyes, ears, privates & lungs. If a puppy has any problem its recorded on its papers (thats given to the buyer-new mommy or daddy).

Our registered puppies start at a min of 2200.00, our English Bulldog is from Germany & shes 5000.00 & the registration switch is free (switching it from German to CKC).

Our special mutts start at 1500.00, but they get the same treatments as the 5000.00 dogs. If we see good owners who really love the special mutts, we do lower the price for them by 500.00-600.00. Its easy to spot the true animal lovers, they usually are buying a 2ed dog & they show up several times to meet the dog & bring their dog in.

We also reject a lot of people who want to buy a dog.. if they seem snooty or someone in the family seems like they might hurt the dog from their temperment, we say the dog is on hold due to illness & its unsellable.

I love dogs & I'm big on the care (I've worked for the OSPCA before) & thats why I'm proud to work there. Its different from other pet stores & it shows in our puppies & staff.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. You're saying asking for a couple thousand dollars per dog keeps puppy millers at bay? Do you even know where you acquire your dogs for your pet store? Puppy Millers and BYBs! This whole pet store puppies thing is an atrocity, imo. You don't even offer a lifetime warranty, which is what ALL reputable breeders provide. The reason you people provide a shorter length warranty is because congenital defects can pop up later in life, like debilitating hip dysplasia, PRA, and various liver and kidney problems. However, you can just as easily point the finger back at the breeder and say "Nope. Our warranty does not cover past 2 years, and, besides, these are congenital defects. We have no control over the puppy quality because that is the breeder's problem". I can't believe you could possibly be happy with the pet store you're working for. ANY pet store that sells puppies or kittens deserves to be boycotted and I'm sure plenty of other posters will agree with me. There are only two places one should acquire their dog: some type of shelter or rescue and/or a reputable breeder.

Pet stores tout their dogs are "special mutts" or "rare" or come from "champion bloodlines". Well, here's this: Where are the OFA certifications? Did your special Bulldog from Germany come from OFA'd and CERF'd parents (both of which are CRUCIAL tests for Bulldogs in particular)? No? Well, then, how can you assure the prospective owners that there will be a lesser risk of eye, hip, and knee problems? And what makes a mutt "special"? Just because a dog has a unique feature, like a spot on their paw, does NOT make them any more special than another dog. Terms like "special mutts", "rare teacup toys", "imperial", etc. are simply selling gimmicks to deceive the public into digging deeper into their wallets. Do you see where I'm going? All these "doodles" and "special mutts" and "uggles" are simply ways to bring in the money!!! If your pet store cared so much about the quality of the puppies and their future homes, they would not base so much of their owner-criterion on money and how many dogs they have. I could easily provide a MUCH better home for a dog than, say, Paris Hilton, but your pet store could just as easily reject my application for a dog because, I'm sorry, but I'm not loaded with wads of cash lying around my house. However, I have much more knowledge about dogs than Paris Hilton surely does. Yet, your store would reject me because I have no money? Since when was money an objective in a breeding program? Never. Money and profits should have no place at all in somebody's breeding program. I'm just disgusted with this all :(
11-13-2005, 02:37 PM
dab_20

I think it is ridiculous that a shelter and especially a pet store would have their puppies for thousands of dollars. Maybe that's why not alot of people go to shelters anymore!! The prices get higher and higher. I know they may be worth that much, but I thought they actually wanted people to rescue dogs!! You could get a perfectly healthy and well taken care of dog cheaper in the newpaper than some shelters these days. Not saying it's the right thing to buy the dog in the newspaper, but it's what most people would do. My humane society sells all their dogs for 55 dollars. And they check up on the owners regularly.

And most puppies in petstores are from puppy mills. So people who are buying them are paying like a thousand dollars for a dog that most likely some day will have behavoural (sp?) problems. (not counting shelter dogs that go to like petsmart to be adopted)
11-13-2005, 03:09 PM
Pam

Thank you for that Giselle! I agree 100%. When I see the prices in pet stores, in the mall for example, I am floored at what they are asking. Of course they have to pay the puppy mill breeder and then take a cut for themselves. It is all about dollars and unfortunately the health and well being of these dogs is rarely if ever considered. *Doodle dogs* or whatever ends in oodle these days are a pet peeve with me big time. If everyone is so doodle crazy why not just adopt a poodle or whatever the "d" part of a doodle is.....who knows these days because so many people are breeding poodles with any breed. :mad: :( Let the people who know the breed and are trying to better the breed do the breeding. Otherwise head to the nearest shelter. If everyone did this, soon there would be no millers in business.
11-13-2005, 03:24 PM
dab_20

i agree!
11-13-2005, 07:19 PM
king2005

The bulldog has all that testing, Shes certifyed & everything (I don't know them all by heart, but she has several pages of stuff.

I know for fact that our dogs don't come from puppy mills or BYB. Ontario has rules for the certificate to be a breeder & thats where all our pups come from, which is only 6 breeders & NO outsiders.

Our store knows the breeders well. If anyone wanted to know about the parents, all they have to do is ask & we would contact our puppy picker upper lady & get the info. She meets all the parents & checks out the breeders kennels.

! lady was in a couple days ago, she said she wanted the German Shepard to breed with her friends dog.. Guess who is NEVER allowed to buy one of our puppies? her. We frown BIG TIME on people who are going to use the puppies for breeding or not getting them fixed.

As a pet store I think we do a really good job. I have yet to see a better pet store. Also the OSPCA checks on us ALL the time & we pass with flying colours.

Any puppy that gets checked by the vets & has a MAJOR health issue that can never be fixed (the hip problem), they are PTS, its not right to sell a pet that will suffer like that & end up being loved & then dying on them far too young.

A bulldog that was sold, had become very ill, a couple weeks later. Our store took the puppy back right away & is forking ALL the medical bills & not putting it towards the insurance.

There is a Yorkie pup that refuses to eat (hes just scared, vet gave him a clean bill of health). Right now, him & his sister are spending nights at an employees house , well college dorm & being fed every couple of hours & getting lots of cuddles & hugs.

I had all they larger hyper pups out running around while I worked (not easy when thay are chewing on my shoe laces hehehe). When the tiny pups are out they get little sweaters to wear so they don't get cold (the kennels are nice, but we keep the backroom cool, so we don't sweat too much while dealing with hot water & scrubbing.).

I know lots of pet stores are bad, but ours is far different. We TRY to do are best & breed healthy pups, birds, rodents & fish. All kittens are drop offs.
11-13-2005, 07:21 PM
Jessika

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Originally Posted by king2005

! lady was in a couple days ago, she said she wanted the German Shepard to breed with her friends dog.. Guess who is NEVER allowed to buy one of our puppies? her. We frown BIG TIME on people who are going to use the puppies for breeding or not getting them fixed.

Then why not fix them as they come into the kennel and before they're adopted out?? If you charge that much per animal I'm sure you can get them all fixed?
11-13-2005, 07:22 PM
dab_20

yep, thats pretty much the only way you can be SURE they are fixed.
11-13-2005, 07:30 PM
king2005

They are a bit young for that. ALL the pups are 3 months old when we get them. Some haven't even dropped yet. I know I asked many years ago & my shelter wasn't allowed to do it against the owners will, so I'm pretty sure there is a stupid law out there.
11-13-2005, 09:33 PM
Giselle

See, I'm particularly biased against pet stores and am dealing with my own BYB-dog, so I find it extremely difficult to see the sunny side of pet stores. I am VEHEMENTLY against stores that sell animals of any kind. Again, it is my personal belief that the only place to acquire any domestic animal is from 1) a shelter or a form of rescue and 2) a reputable breeder. No other source is acceptable.

As for the bulldog, you claim she is tested... I'm sorry, but you must be confused. You can't possibly claim she is OFA'd because she's too young for it. Her growth plates are still forming and she's much too young to have had her x-rays sent in. How could she possibly be OFA'd? Anyways, if you still claim her to be OFA'd, could you please PM her numbers to me? My question was: is her sire and dam OFA'd and CERF'd. Better yet, can you please PM me her mother and father's numbers? :) I'm curious now. Have her parents been tested for thyroid? What about your plethora of GSD puppies? Have they been tested for Von Willebrands? I'm sure you'd be horrified to know that Standard and Miniature Poodles are susceptible to this canine hemophilia as well. If you claim your breeders to be responsible and not BYBs, I'm curious if they test their Poodles. I'm *especially* curious if your designer mix breeders test their dogs because I, for one, know many of these people do not test their breeding stock, much less provide adequate veterinary care.

I also find it slightly difficult to believe that Ontario has no BYBs. BYBs are tricky people because there is no single definition that fits them all. Some are simply people who believe it would be nice to bring in a little extra profit through breeding Fifi and Fido. But how could these same people possibly be regulated? They don't believe they're doing anything wrong, and in a legal sense, they are completely innocent. BYBs are simply people who breed because they love their dogs and want to make some money (or love money and want to make some puppies ;)), but they see nothing wrong with what they're doing. Chances are they do not test for hip dysplasia, patella luxation, thyroid problems, von Willebrands, PRA, etc. because doing so would cut into their profits and the suckers who buy their puppies don't even know about these health maladies! I'm sure there are plenty of sick puppies who die or get returned back to your store, and I'm sure there are plenty more healthy puppies who leave your store. But how can you possibly assure the prospective homes that these healthy puppies will continue to remain healthy? How can you assure their dogs will not develop hip dysplasia. Sure, you may cull the puppies who develop HD as young pups, but what can you say for the aging, dysplastic GSD who you sold 6 years old? By definition, the GSD is no longer under the warranty. Yet, the HD was due mainly due to genetics. What kind of back up do you offer then?

And when we talk about the grand scheme of things, when these sick puppies develop congenital defects, do you even care to notify the original breeder whose responsibility it is to prevent and protect these problems? If not, how can you sit there with the knowledge that there is a breeder out there churning out hundreds of puppies each year, possibly doomed to a lifetime of health maladies that cause them pain, but not death?
11-13-2005, 09:53 PM
Jessika

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Originally Posted by king2005

They are a bit young for that. ALL the pups are 3 months old when we get them. Some haven't even dropped yet. I know I asked many years ago & my shelter wasn't allowed to do it against the owners will, so I'm pretty sure there is a stupid law out there.

Charlie's testicles NEVER dropped and he was still able to be fixed.
11-14-2005, 03:36 AM
Vette

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Originally Posted by wolfie

There are people who spend lots of money on a dog, and then don't give it proper care or take it to the vet. And there are people who get a dog free from the pound, and give it all the care it needs, and so much more. Unless you can offer proof/statistics, I don't believe that people who spend lots of money purchasing a pet take better care of him/her than people who got their pet for free.

Im with Wolfie...
a person my mom used to work with,, spent $8.56 on a Pug/Beagle mix(got it out of a pet store) and just leaves it in a pen in their back yard 24/7. and as far as i know of,, hasnt been to the vet since they got her. and shes not spayed either.

people do spend lots of money on dogs.. and then dont give a sh*t from there after the newness wares off.
11-14-2005, 06:19 AM
king2005

Before there is any blood. I'll just drop it.. its not worth my time.

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