Shame On Canada

Exactly. It would not help polar bears to provide them with dead seals. You know how you are suppost to play dead when attacked by a bear. Its because bears do not usually (there are exeptions to every rule) eat food that they have not killed. Also all that meat would only encourage the polar bears to become dependent on people feeding them plus there is the cost of moving all the dead seals. The smell of people on the meat would also encorage them to acociate people with free food. Killer whales and sharks probrably eat some of the dead seals if they end up in the water when they are around. Sea birds like gulls probly eat some too. Arctic foxes are scavengers and are suppost to be on the ice flows.

The title "Shame on Canada" its kinda bashing. Of course we would take the negative attitude of the thread personally. If I went into the states and said anything even remotly negative about their gov, or anything allong that line even as a joke I would get the crap kick out of me. My grandparents got threatened when their Canadian flag was higher than the American flag on their trailer even by mear millimeters. I only used the states as an example because I live 11 kilometers from the border.

ummm Polar Bears r hunters, scavengers & will eat their own kind when there is little food.

Prentending to be dead doesn't work for the reasons ur thinking of.

Playing dead works when a bear is attacking u cause u P'ed it off. When u stop moving, ur no longer a threat, so the bear walks off.

Playing dead with a hungry bear = easy meal.

Regular Bears eat alot of berries, nuts, greens, veggies, roots, fish when its around.

Polar bears eat mostly meat, fresh or not. They will also eat greens when its around.


I watch too much Animal Planet.

I also posted this:

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Don't get me wrong I love Canada, I live here and its beautiful but there are quite a few things we do that I'm ashamed of and this is one of them.

....and I really do love living here. In my town there is hardly any crimes, violence etc. Its just something a stupid and barbaric thing they are doing to those seals. I don't agree with it for whatever reason! Well I think there are too many humans so should we beat them all to death? ITS DISGUSTING and YES I'm ashamed of Canada for allowing this BS to happen. Same with the deer culls and the pitt bull bans.

No one here is bashing Canada, but in the US whenever something horrible happens we're the first to jump down their throats as well. Canada is great just stupid sometimes. Just like every other country. There is always something everywhere that people aren't to proud of. No where is perfect for everyone. Whats perfect for me might be horrid for you.

edited to add: honestly though I didn't quite like the title of the thread either so I hear you there.

Don't get me wrong I would also rather that the seals are not killed but because no one wants to take the enishitive to make shure it does not happen again to other spicies or the seals ie. eating less fish, reduce pollution, cleaning streams where fish spawn, banning fish farms which spread diseases to wild fish fry, then we have to deal with the situation in other means which saddly harms the seals. So untill people all over the world smarten up situations like the ones with the seals will only increase in occurance. People are gready, and untill we stop putting our wants first thousands of animals will die, and eventually entire species. Our mas-consumption results in casses like the seals. Everyone contributes to the problem, right now as you sit by your computer you are contributing to the problem. That computer one day will end up across the world in a dump in Asia, there the led in the moniter will leak into the water and end up all over the world and it will kill the fish the seals eat, therefor making the preditor prey relationship off balance. And because people will never give up fish the seals will die. That is only one of millions of examples of how everyone is responsible for the seals fate. So when you bash Canada you are bashing them for dealing with a problem you helped cause. I get mad at all the coments pointed at Canada when everyone is to blame. Look in the mirror before you point the finger and think about everytime you drove your car, did not recycle a plastic bottle, or taken the ferry or other type of boat. All these things slowly person by person doom the seal, and like wise all animals and creatures on the earth. Think about the fish that did not die, and the animals and fish that eat them. Think about the baluga's in the St.Lawrence who eat fish like the seal. When balugas die they are clasified as toxic waste from all the pollution we dump into their enviroment, which they ingest when they eat fish. The whales are so bad of because the fish are poluted one time, the seal eats the fish and ads to the amount of pollution in its system its now two times polluted, the whales (killer whales in particullar) eat the seals and the fish which are polluted therefor the pollution acumilates inside them. Pollution from Asia, Europe, Canada, The United Sates, all over the world, needs to be controlled before situations like the seals can be stoped. Dont dis the solution to the problem dis the cause....People.

I think one needs to get over the idea this thread is canadian bashing, if I saw a thread titled shame on NZ, I would be in there seeing what it is all about, and I can say this in all honesty, if it was something that concerned animal welfare of any kind, I would be the one doing the posting with exactly that title.

This thread IMO is merely pointing out the obvious, that the canadian government is ok with clubbing baby seals to death, IMO that is cruel, and whether I was canadian or not I would be opposing it period.

From what I have seen and heard about Canada it is indeed a beautiful country blessed with less crime than most big countries, still does not mean it does not have its dark side, lets face it all countries have skeletons hidden in the closet so to speak.(including my own, that I am NOT proud of), there are things my government will do that will make me less proud to say I am a New Zealander,fact of life, but I would be the first to stand up and say so.

The previous poster does point out some very interesting and genuine facts, we do all contribute to the downfall of our world in some way or another , be it small or large.

I have seen the posts an neglected animals left to starve to death, peolpe hate it. Are we suppost to let them run wild till they starve? That would be even crueler. If you are ok with Canada hiding the worlds problems in its "closet" fine, but just to let you know it is/will only get worse. I have realized that people never see the whole picture they just see one square inch of the picture. People focuse on the irelivent details. The point is that everyone all over the world is killing the seals with there day to day habits. And you are all so mad with the physical killing of one animal you can not see the mase killing of all the worlds species. With the world will live forever attitude we might as well kill all the seals now because reality check it will not live forever and the human race is slowly poisining this world with its selfish actions. I only want you all to look at the bigger picture, not the death of a seal but the death of all species, and inevitably this world. Untill all governments change this world will slowly erode around us. Don't fixate on the battle of one, but the war of all.

I would love to start a movement to change the worlds bad habits. I would have to start with Canada and The United States because the fact is all other countrys look up to at least one of them. The problem is that peolpe do not like to give up the comforts they have grown accustomed to. Even if these comforts risk everything on this earth. And that is humanitys downfall we lack the drive to change for the better. Shure if the way is easy we will change. But everything that is worth while is hard, that is just the way it is. So because the way is difficult we will never change. As for me I will change, and I will wait for my chance and if its gods will I will make my country change and hope others follow. They will hate me during the process but like I said all things hard are usually the most worth while. (also said in Chasing Librity) I will never give up on humanity even though at times it would be easyer. And to all of you out there who litter and don't recycle everything that can be recycled. Shame on YOU.

tortuga: I agree with everything you said.. :)

Thanks I usually feel like I am alone in my ideas. The idea that at lest one person agrees with my ideas is comforting.

I do my best to recycle. all recycling house waste is recycled as much as this area can do.

At work I set up my own program to reuse boxes & carboard envelopes. All used paper it reused. its cut into 4 & used for notes.

For damaged products I cannot return I find a way to use it so its not tossed out.

I do not eat much fish. I only eat canned tuna & thats maybe 1 can every 3 months. I refuse to eat anyother kind of fish.

This eater I bought things I can resuse. Basket, filler straw stuff, & plastic eggs. I have them sotred away until next year. I know alot of people who keep buying new stuff every year. I don't understand why.

For xmas, I have a fake tree , so I can use it from year to year to year, without killing a real one.

For halloween, I make most of my stuff from stuff I kept (boxes, toilet paper rolls, etc.)

All my computer parts r hand me downs, from hand me downs & will be handed down to some else when I get newer hand me downs.

Most of my clothing is over 13 years old. Its still in good shape so I don't see the neat to toss it in the trash or buy "new" stuff just because I can & because its "new".

This summer were doing pest control at a friends grandmother's farm. It needs to be done, her horses & cattle are getting hurt from the holes.

We plan to collest as mush meat off the animals as we can. We have pets that can eat the meat & Organs. The left over bodies will be moved to where the wild animals can safely eat them. The farm is in the middle of nowhere, ther ralot of scavengers there, so we don't need to worry about wasting anyting or leting the left over rott (we call this a waste of a kill, if u cannot find a use for it, don't kill it).

I do my best here. I always try to think of what my actions r resulting, & plan for the best.

tortuga55, I have agreed with alot of stuff u have said. I do have some different points of views on some things, but for the most part we see some what eye to eye.

Humans have done wrong to the planet & saddly we need to fix it.

Humans r just lucky that we can try to fix our problems.


Oh & if anyont thinks that shooting an animal will cause less pain, is wrong.

If u have shot or seen animals being shot, u will know that most, will start bouncing about. Remember with a gun, ur further away & once its bouncing around u usually cannot get another shot in.

So if clubbing is a faster death then most guns, how is it cruel again?

With a club ur able to make sure its dead right away. with a gun, u have no idea, just because its down, doesn't mean its dead.

Remember that u cannot use too large of a cal. of gun on a seal or it'll make the kill a complete waste. the skin, meat, everything will be useless.

I am glad you recycle everyone should. Every product should be made recyclable, and food should be composted. The composting I must admit I need to work on.
I dont like guns they are loud and like you said you are to far away to kill instantly, the seal would just swim away. Also gun powder is probly not good for scavangers to eat, and the bulet hole makes the pelt in some cases worthless. I know some people who own a farm and a possum got into their grain and ate a lot of it. They tipped over the barrel it was in and tried to shoot it. Even at close range it took over 10 shots to the head to kill it. Possums always are in pairs so they went after the other one but instead of shooting it they hit it once with a club and it died instantly. Its sad that they had to die but they kill their chickens and eat their grain, they have also attacked them and their dogs (german shepard mix its huge like a pony). I have used a gun before (wooden targets only) and they are hard to hit percisly in the right spot especially black powder rifles (they smell nice/odd and are fun very Jack Sparrow). In order to kill instintly you would have to hit the brain stem, that would be insainly hard to do on every seal. I saw a deer once that a guy my aunt knows killed the guy hit it in the leg, he could not use the entire leg because it brused so badly. Cross bow could be used at close range except it might fly back at you. Although I can make a bullseye I sometimes horibly miss and it bounces off stuff and lands in the ceilling. That usually sends a few bullet cases showering down on us, we are not the only one who hits the ceilling I guess.

World pollution is a real problem and worthy of discussion
but it is not the subject of this thread. The cruel slaughter of
seals is the subject.

Anyone who can view the barbaric slaughter of mother & baby
seals and say this is humane in any way has government
blinders on.

http://www.hsus.org/video_clips/page...temID=27260759



Get the facts on this cruel practice sponsered by the Canadian
government.

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...seal_hunt.html

I just recieved another email from the US Humane Society. I don't give a flip if this was my own country doing this...it is WRONG.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If this somehow means I am 'bashing' Canada, so be it.

Beats the HELL out of beating the pups. :(

Here Here Johanna I could not have said it better, I am behind you 100 per cent, I also received that same email, for those who do not know some of these babies are skinned alive and while still conscious, they are only 12 days old,so that is humane is it? I THINK NOT, and it is time people got together and did something to stop these barbaric killings.

Whether you look at the overall picture or not, regardless these babies are being killed inhumanely, and we have to stand up and stop it.,end of story.