Kerry in 2008?

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Originally posted by catland
I sure hope that Kerry isn't the 2008 Democratic candidate or we can just vote Republican now and get it over with.

The Democratic party is in shambles. With an unpopular war, a shaky economy, and a less than articulate incumbent, there is no reason that the Democrats shouldn't have waltzed in and trounced W on election day. But with so many primaries so early in the game now, Kerry was picked before most of us even knew who he was. He was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

I know that in another thread there was the discussion of GW being arrogant. I think its the Democratic party that suffers this even more. They still believe that they are the voice of the people when the election showed that they clearly are not.

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I thought it was a pretty darn close election myself.

Can you give examples of why you think Democrats are arrogant?

The election showed a VERY divided country. The Democrats had incredibly good turnouts in certain areas. Overall, it certainly was a great night for Republicans, but that is just how it happened to work this time.

I don't think the Republicans are "arrogant" or "think they are the voice of the people". Why do you think that of the Dems?

One case of arrogance, I heard about in the democratic party was Ted Kennedy. I heard this second hand, but supposedly, he was congratulating Kerry and the Democrats for the Presidental election win, about 5:30 pm on election day. I believe it was him, but it could have been someone else said, "Mass., had the Super Bowl Champion, Patriots, the World Series Champ, Red Sox, and now the President" A little too arrogant, a little too soon.

I certainly don't think that makes the democratic party arrogant, but I do think it was coming from both sides on election day.

As an example of Democratic Arrogance, I would cite the overabundance of columnists both on line or in print wondering how the American electorate could be "stupid enough to put the idiot back in office" . If that isn't arrogance I don't know what is.

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Originally posted by catland
They still believe that they are the voice of the people when the election showed that they clearly are not.

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55 million people would beg to differ.

Well you guys have definately not proved the whole Democratic party to be arrogant with so few examples. To judge a whole party by a couple people isn't right. Just think of the multitude of things that could be said of the Republicans if they are judged by a few people :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I can think of some pretty bad things myself!! :o

Aly -

I think the past few years + this election have divided the country SO much. For example, I have online friends (Democrats) who are now "mad" at me for living in a "red state," a state that could vote for Bush and ban gay marriage like I have some kind of control over it. They are all going nuts, talking about boycotting "red states," and worse. I think this is only going to progress over the next four years. Maybe I'm a pessimist...but I'll tell you one thing, being a liberal (and proud of it!) there is no way I will "unite" with Bush on anything. He made this speech the other day about how he's going to "reach out" to the people who didn't vote for him, and we should all "unite"....heh. Call me crazy, but I don't think it's going to happen, especially if I have to sacrifice even one position, or give up even one thing I believe in.

Arrogant? Maybe. But that's just me. ;)

Aly - perhaps arrogance wasn't the best word to convey my impressions.

Its more like the Democratic party is suffering some kind of dissociative disorder and are genuinely befuddled by the fact that they lost. Sure, they won in many major cities (including where I live), but that isn't enough to win the presidency. Never has been, never will be.

Also its not just the presidency but the losses in the House and Senate that are so sad.

Lizzie - that's too bad. Unfortunately, its how some people react.

I like it!

edited to add that the infamous... MomoftheFuzzy sent this to me ;)

Infamous? Me? Yeah, right... bite your tongue, bub. :p

As far as how I voted, I voted no, Kerry wouldn't run again because, as much as I liked him and voted for him now, I just don't see him going through it all again. I think he's had too many irrational, baseless claims made against him (as opposed to Bush's proven/documented "skeletons in the closet" which mysteriously did not surface this past election, i.e. his drunk driving charge... hmmm, a better spin doctor perhaps?) to actually pull off a win and I'm afraid he knows that. :( They need to start grooming a different kind of democrat to compete in 2008 -- I think the competition might be very, VERY stiff then. *gulp*

I think it will be Hilary too, and she's got my vote.

I hope its not Hilary. I don't think this country's ready for a woman president yet. :(

What about an Edwards/Clinton ticket? Hilary as VP??? *shrug*