Has Bush lost his reason?

Guster Girl I hope you do change your mind and vote, Emmeline pankhurst worked hard to obtain the right for us women to vote, be a shame that you don't ever use it.

I can well understand one not wanting to vote, we had local council elections and it was very hard to choose, even though you have a phamplet about them, one really does not know them

I know nothing about american politics, so I am staying well out of this debate, I hope the thread can turn around and continue to be a healthy debate though, I am slowly learning a bit more about your candidates, although I do find it all a bit confusing:confused: .

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Originally posted by carole
Guster Girl I hope you do change your mind and vote, Emmeline pankhurst worked hard to obtain the right for us women to vote, be a shame that you don't ever use it.

I can well understand one not wanting to vote, we had local council elections and it was very hard to choose, even though you have a phamplet about them, one really does not know them

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I'd like to change my mind, and, I'm making a conscious effort to learn about these two men. It IS a shame that I have never voted. I'm not saying I'm proud to be unsure. But, I'm not voting for anyone until I'm comfortable doing so. It would be like me voting in a local town that I've never lived in and, I'm just not ok with that. But, I also don't question other people's choices, as long as they're educated choices. I have never complained about the president, either. Until I have placed a vote, I try to just listen. :)

I have to agree with Kari. For me there's no one worthy of my vote. Neither candidate has interested me enough to vote for them. I voted Bush 4 years ago, but can't quite get myself to do that again, but then the only other choice is Kerry. For me, that's not much of a choice at all. No one's getting my vote this year. :(

I refuse to settle for the lesser of two evils. I'll just take whatever everyone else votes in office, cause neither one will make me happy or satisfied.

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Originally posted by aly
She did state that she didn't have time to search for more so she only cited two.

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Hey, thanks, Aly! It's all good, though! :) I'm mostly hoping you'll read this cuz your pm box is full, and, I wanted to see if you'd seen the photos I'd posted in dog general. I posted three different threads of photos of finn! SOrry if this is hijacking this thread, just trying to get ahold of aly! :)

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Originally posted by aly
You did do it in a VERY non-judgemental way! I don't think anyone could be offended by your post. I hope that you won't back out entirely, but I understand why you want to :)

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Thank you! I check in once in awhile to see what other people are saying, but I still try to stay out of it....if people start to get catty with each other, I am SO out! :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by guster girl
It's not that it's getting to me, don't sweat it. I've not lost any sleep over anything said in this chat forum since the day I joined. I thought I could learn a little by reading the threads and I was wrong, I've chalked it up as a lesson learned. And, yes, I do realize that people fought for my right to vote. But, as much as you are a stickeler for voting....I'm a stickeler for not voting if you don't know the first thing about the candidates. And, as for me, I don't, yet. I'd rather only the educated people vote. (and, I mean educated about the candidates and current events) I know MANY people that don't have a freakin' clue, that are actually going to cast a vote based on which candidate has better hair or a nicer suit, just so they can say they voted. Those people scare me way more than the people who don't vote at all. And, if I can continue to research the two candidates and become confident in one of them, I'll vote. If I had to choose right now, I wouldn't be able to.

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A local tv station has a q and e area that might help you learn something about yourself and who your views of the world line up with - it is at www.10tv.com and the link is called 'candidate match'. You don't have to sign on - or leave any prints that you were there - but I found it very interesting....

just a thought...:D

And BTW - I fully agree with you - those who don't know what or who they are voting for or against should NOT vote. Guess I am a stickler for learning all you can and making your own mind up.....go figure. Good luck in your search. There are folks on each side of the fence that are feel so strongly for thier candidate they become fanatical. I appreciate that - we all have things we feel that strongly about so I try to give them all slack! ;)

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Originally posted by snappy
A local tv station has a q and e area that might help you learn something about yourself and who your views of the world line up with - it is at www.10tv.com and the link is called 'candidate match'. You don't have to sign on - or leave any prints that you were there - but I found it very interesting....

just a thought...:D

And BTW - I fully agree with you - those who don't know what or who they are voting for or against should NOT vote. Guess I am a stickler for learning all you can and making your own mind up.....go figure. Good luck in your search. There are folks on each side of the fence that are feel so strongly for thier candidate they become fanatical. I appreciate that - we all have things we feel that strongly about so I try to give them all slack! ;)

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I will check that link out, thank you for posting it. I've been reading so much and it just seems to get blurrier. :( But, I'm not giving up. I still hope to have a clue by the time I have to make a choice. I'm all for learning all you can, that's what I'm trying to do. If I do decide on one person, I'll probably keep it to myself, but, I'll for sure post on here if I vote. :)

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I've been reading so much and it just seems to get blurrier.

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Isn't that the truth? Not so much in the presidential election for me, but in the local races! Yikes!! It is confusing and its hard to know what to believe!

Christa,

No hard feelings, believe me. Politics is a very touchy subject which EVERYONE has a difference of opinion. We always agree to disagree here.

I plan on doing my part by voting and let the chips fall where they may.

One thing though...those ANNOYING commercials are really getting on my last nerve!!! :p :p

I'm Donna and I approve this post! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by moosmom
Christa,

No hard feelings, believe me. Politics is a very touchy subject which EVERYONE has a difference of opinion. We always agree to disagree here.

I plan on doing my part by voting and let the chips fall where they may.

One thing though...those ANNOYING commercials are really getting on my last nerve!!! :p :p

I'm Donna and I approve this post! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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I'm waiting for Nov. 3rd to be here when those commercials (from BOTH sides) to be over. I"m david p and I approve of Donna and this post!

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Originally posted by carole
Guster Girl I hope you do change your mind and vote, Emmeline pankhurst worked hard to obtain the right for us women to vote, be a shame that you don't ever use it.

I can well understand one not wanting to vote, we had local council elections and it was very hard to choose, even though you have a phamplet about them, one really does not know them

I know nothing about american politics, so I am staying well out of this debate, I hope the thread can turn around and continue to be a healthy debate though, I am slowly learning a bit more about your candidates, although I do find it all a bit confusing:confused: .

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Carole, I'm an american and even I find it very confusing! You are not the only one.

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Originally posted by moosmom

One thing though...those ANNOYING commercials are really getting on my last nerve!!! :p :p

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I'll drink to THAT! And I don't even drink!:D

Even though I know little about either candidate, and my opinion does not matter very much, I have to say I would vote for Mr Kerry, why you ask? and I hope most of you do because, he is going to give the go ahead on stem cell research, whereas Mr Bush is not.

This could and would affect my whole family's life, so I can only support this 100 percent, I know this is a controversial subject and I don't wish to change the subject of this thread, but even though I thought it does not matter that much to me who gets in, (being a kiwi,) but in actual fact it could have a big impact on my future and that of my family.

SO GO MR KERRY!!

P.S I have accidentally started another thread on this oops,but if you care to talk about it in more depth you can always go there.

I had told myself I would stay out of the Dog House after dealing with the negativism in the thread about the Presidential Debates. I accidentally clicked on a thread earlier today by Carole that had a subject title which I thought was not political but it was and unfortunately it prompted me to reply. Since I have broken my own vow about staying out of the Dog House I decided to visit this thread.

All that I can say is that I have never seen such expressed hatred in a political election year and I am 57 years old and have lived through and voted in many elections. If you would care to take note of who is starting these threads it is all Kerry supporters. Don't you think that those of us who support President Bush could furnish you with some articles as well? I know I certainly could! I think political chatting has gone to a completely lower level than just discussion. I do hope that once this election is over things settle down because Pet Talk has become a very nasty place. :mad:

I'm as neutral as they come, and, I'm getting crap from both sides. It does seem that the Kerry supporters in here are more vocal about their hatred. But, away from the computer, I've had hatred thrown at me from all sides. It's unbelievable, and, just makes me feel sad that people have room for that kind of hatred in their hearts. I don't hate Bush or Kerry, or any human being for that matter. There are people that I don't like, but, hate is just evil to me. Only bad things stem from that. And, I have had so many Bush supporters that just are so full of hate, the same as I've had Kerry supporters that are the same way. It all sucks.