Court to Hear Case to Reopen Roe V. Wade

I guess, as for my body and the fact that I am too old to have children anymore:( , sad because I'm old not because I want more children!

There is no way I want more children! I have raised 3, and had one misscarrige. I have 4 grandchildren. So what would I want with more children?

The way I feel about abortion, is that personally I couldn't have one myself. My body, and my feelings. When I first became pregnant with my children, even the one I lost I felt a bond. I am OLD, that is just me. I just couldn't do it myself. The children I have right now, I wouldn't take anything for. I am glad I kept them. Hey I got grandchildren!

If you want to have an abortion, then its something you are going to have to work out on your own, its your life, your body.
I certainly don't want anybody telling me or when I was younger telling me what I could do with my body. I chose to have my children. If you do not, then that is your right, and it is certainly your body.

Willie

Kevinrats,

Sorry but it is MY BODY! And until you can experience the "joy" of giving birth then don't you dare to presume to tell a woman what she can do with HER BODY.

It is my opinion that until the zygote or fetus is able to sustain life outside of the body WITHOUT the use of machinery then the primary concern should be with the woman carrying the potential human.

As far as "mistakes" since many boys/men are unable to give birth they have no real regard for the consequences of their overactive hormones. Many a young girls life is ruined by some selfish irresponsible male. While they go off without any regard for either life they stomped all over. It takes two to tango you know. It also takes two to create life. I am not saying that females don't have any responsibilty in this matter. I am a strong believer in personal responsibilty and consequences. But boys/men should be held just as responsible. Once they impregnate a female and it can now be scientifically documented they go into the system. Until that child is able to support themselves without government assistance the male is COMPLETELY financially responsible for that child. Perhaps that will make the male think twice knowing that they too will have a consequence for the MAJORITY of their adult life. Perhaps they will keep it in the pants more often.

However, saying all that, the choices that young woman have to make should be safe and legal. There should be counseling and help from other women in making the best choice for them.

But the bottom line is...................THERE SHOULD BE A CHOICE! PERIOD.

Yes, the male gender is overly hormonal. But as you said, it takes two to tango. Unless it's rape.

I'm not telling you what to do with your body, I'm simply stating my opinion on the matter. Holy cow.

I think there should be a choice if its rape or incest or molestation, but otherwise, I think you should give your child up for adoption, because you made the choice to have sex. Sex is not an accident or a "mistake." It is a choice you make. (Unless it's rape, like I said.)

Also, don't males have to deal with the consequences? Yes, but unfortunately, not as severly. It is sad that males don't get held down to responsibilities, I agree.

And you said that until it's able to support itself. All I said was that it is a different life you are dealing with when conception has occured. It has it's own DNA, etc. Its a scientific fact. That's all I said.

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Originally posted by kevinrats
Holy crap.
First off, the moment the egg is fertilized, it IS NOT YOUR BODY your dealing with anymore. It is a whole new being.

For the comment about teens "making a mistake" about having sex too early. Well, too bad cuz they made that choice and they should deal with the consequences. Its the only way your going to learn in life.

About abortion being made illegal...I think it's probably dumb, because people are still going to have them, and it would be more dangerous. On the other hand, it might deter some from getting one.

About getting raped/molested. I know how terrible this is, because people in my family have been there. But no matter what, if you get pregnant, you're going to be carrying that baby some of the time. Why not give it a chance and adopt it out? Would it scar you anymore that killing the baby?

You all have almost no respect for the miracle of life. It really sickens me.

Okay, now you can start yelling.

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I sense a little contradiction in statements.

Theres no contradiction. I said there should be a choice if you are raped. But I said I thought it would be better to keep the child and adopt it out, though.

Yes, carrying a fetus in me for nine months would be more traumatic than removing a zygote.

Thanks, this was a nice civil discussion from both sides before you stepped in. Now tempers are flaring, and I don't want to see this post licked because even the opinions of people who disagree with me are interesting to read, particularly if they back it up.

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Yes, carrying a fetus in me for nine months would be more traumatic than removing a zygote.

Thanks, this was a nice civil discussion from both sides before you stepped in. Now tempers are flaring, and I don't want to see this post licked because even the opinions of people who disagree with me are interesting to read, particularly if they back it up.

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We need to all hit our ignore buttons, IMO. The only posts this charming gentleman has made on this board thus far are the ever-so-enlightened opinions in this post, or the even more Neanderthal ones where he assures us of God's own viewpoint on same-sex marriages, and accuses us all of being "Christian haters".

Me thinks me smells a troll.

Good idea. No sense in getting all worked up over a troll. :) Thanks for reminding me about that button!

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Originally posted by Pam
It never ceases to amaze me that people who who will fight for all kinds of animal issues, draw the line when it comes to fighting for the rights of the unborn human child. :confused:

A 'zygote' has all of the DNA it will ever need to become a human being. We do not have the right to end its life. There are countless childless couples who would give their all for the chance at being parents. Someone who doesn't want to be 'bothered' with their 'zygote' need just look for them. Believe me they are there! That child need not 'ruin' anyone's life but has the chance of being the biggest blessing that the childless couple could ever have.

Sorry for being rude but this is one issue that just burns me up. :mad: Wake up people. We have been killing tiny innocent humans for too long!

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I agree 110% !!!

Ash

Wow WolfChan, thanks! :) Way to spread the love.

Hmm. I guess I am troll. :eek: Wait!!! Where are my billygoats gruff? I seem to have misplaced them!


Again, I am deeply sorry I started a controversy in the Dog House, a CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS message board.

And another question. Why is everyone calling me a troll when Aspen and Misty, and Pam are having the exact same opinions as me? Please enlighten me. You forgot to label them as trolls as well.

I would like to see someone have this discussion without bring up the morality of abortion. Because it REALLY isn't about abortion. Never in any of my posts do you see me say that I feel abortion is ok. My position on abortion is really irrelevent. The controversy is about Choice. But Right to Lifers always resort back to whether or not abortion is morally correct. I think they are afraid to try and argue that women shouldn't have a choice without bring up the morality issue.

Everyone on this earth has differing values and morals and no one wants someone else's forced upon them. That is why this is about Choice. Everyone should have the freedom to choose how they wish to live their own lives.

I happen to think that with the population explosion and the increasing lack of natural resources that it is extremely immoral and irresponsible to have more than one child. So how would everyone feel if this became the popular opinion and those that became pregnant a second or third or fourth time were FORCED to submit to abortions because of the "right to lifers"?? With the lack of resources it isn't fair to bring into this world people that cannot be fed and clothed properly and having extra children takes food away from the people already born?? People wouldn't like that either. Don't we all just want the freedom of choice to make our own stupid decisions?

Think about it?

Denyce

Wow - where to begin.

I'm most definitely Pro-Choice. For me, getting pregnant would be nothing short of my worst nightmare... Naturally I've taken steps to prevent it by getting myself sterilized, but if it ever happened I'd have an abortion without a second thought.

And I resent anyone who would preach to me that I don't have the right to do that. It's a personal decision, and nobody has the right to force me to choose something I do not want.

What about the emotional trauma I would suffer carrying the child for 9 months and resenting every moment of it? Does anyone think about that? Of course not. Because when the allmighty baybee is involved, suddenly my life and my emotional well being don't make a damn bit of difference anymore, is that it? :mad:

Well - sorry, but I disagree. I think it should always remain a personal choice. And I always find it appalling that everyone seems to care about the child more so than the parent, that is, until after it's born. Then they don't want a damn thing to do with it. It's the mother's job at that point.

Everything these days is about the children. Do it for the children, it's all for the children. But have you ever noticed that as soon as they hit a certain age, they instantly become second-class citizens? Nobody seems to give a rat's arse about the well being of an Adult versus a Child.

If there's a major world incident and say 100 adults lost their lives, the only thing the media can think of to concentrate on is that ONE PRECIOUS CHIYULD that lost their life, as if the adults mean nothing - everyone must bow down to the precious children. Screw the adults. We don't mean diddly squat.

And I agree with ILoveReptiles! Getting pregnant would be my worst nightmare. When someone takes precautions not to get pregnant and that happens, then whomever it happens to deserves the right to choose. I would get it done illegally if it was not allowed otherwise. That is how strongly I feel about it. Why can't we just accept the fact that we all feel strongly about our own opinion and just agree to disagree?

Well....I have to agree....people have made this a moral issue, which is why I said that I have a problem with legislating morality. It's just like the controversy about making a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages.....HELLO!! It's none of the government's business.

Like I said before, while abortion is not something I would wish to consider, I have a medical condition that may get much worse if I were ever to get pregnant....I'm way to selfish to let that happen...I would terminate any pregnancy I would have now...although it would bother me tremendously...and I am just now realizing I am contradicting what I said initially, but, the more I thought about it, the more I changed my mind.

Kevin, I see that you are really young, I think perhaps you may change your perspective as you get older and more mature. I teach kids your age and so I am well aware of most opinions of middle/high school students, and I also know that former students have come back to see me years later and we laugh about their attitudes when they were in 8th grade and how much they have changed as they have gone out into the real world and formed opinions of their own.

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Holy cow.

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Oh oh......

That's what got the people camping with Moses in trouble.:eek:


The Billy goats are on the bridge.;)