Should illegal aliens have the right to vote and receiving Social Security?

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Originally posted by babolaypo65
I don't think we can say that illegal immigrants are law abiding or law breaking (other than sneaking in). Some are good folks some are not. Just as some AMERICANS are law abiding good folks, and some are not.

If I had not had the luck of being born in a wealthy country who's to say I wouldn't have snuck in here. I'd like to think I'd want a better life, and a chance to do better.
Lord knows I didn't do anything to be born here. I just was. Lucky me.

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I agree with everything you've said. Many of these people just want a better life.

This has become an issue in Australia too, although we struggle more with asylum seekers, and I don't know if that's what you're referring to by "illegal aliens", or just people who come to live in the US without permission.

I don't know very much, so please don't all jump on me if I'm ignorant. But from what I do know, I feel very sorry for many of these people. Even though 95% have immigrated purely to find a better life for themselves and their family (that's in Australia), they have no rights as a mass. The Government can do with them what they please, even though there are children involved, and parents who will abide by the countries laws, pay tax, learn english, all that kind of stuff.

So it upsets me when a whole lot of people just say 'No' straight away.

And again, I'm sorry if it's different for the US. Or if I have any of my facts wrong. It's all IMHO.

An illegal alien is someone who comes to the country without permission. I don't have a problem with people who come here with a green card and live law abiding lives. I have a good friend who lives here on a green card and has since 1979 when he came here from England to play soccer at Bowling Green University. He does not want to give up his English citizenship, so therefore he just stays with his green card. I don't have a problem with people being here in visas as long as they don't overstay their visit. I admire anyone who comes here for a better life and takes the necessary steps to become a citizen so they can reap the benefit of being an American. I DO have a problem with people who come across the border or have a temporary visa and then just stay and reap the benefits of being an American, when they AREN'T one, and they have no INTENTION of becoming one.

zanzan....I'm not jumping on you, just trying to explain. Does that help define my position?

Illegal's do reap the benefits, such as free
medical care, public schools and free meals program
in the public schools. While illegals do pay some taxes,
they do not pay their fair share.

While it is also true that many take jobs such hard labor jobs as
farm work that most American's do NOT want to do, they
do take away other jobs that poor american's
will take, such as house cleaning, printing etc.

But lets us not only blame the illegals, we need
to place the blame on the employers that will pay the illegals
below minimum wage so they do not have to
hire legals/americans at minium wage who would take
these jobs.

JMHO

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Originally posted by 2kitties
Well, I would look up the information myself, but I'm too busy googling "penis" for Soledad and lbaker.
I'll try to get to it over the weekend;)

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WHAT? What did I miss?

lol. cat, you don't even want to know. I got in so much trouble!!!!! It was much much much fun!

But be careful. I don't think we're allowed to say "penis" on pet talk.

I vote NO on both items.

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Originally posted by mugsy
An illegal alien is someone who comes to the country without permission. I don't have a problem with people who come here with a green card and live law abiding lives. I have a good friend who lives here on a green card and has since 1979 when he came here from England to play soccer at Bowling Green University. He does not want to give up his English citizenship, so therefore he just stays with his green card. I don't have a problem with people being here in visas as long as they don't overstay their visit. I admire anyone who comes here for a better life and takes the necessary steps to become a citizen so they can reap the benefit of being an American. I DO have a problem with people who come across the border or have a temporary visa and then just stay and reap the benefits of being an American, when they AREN'T one, and they have no INTENTION of becoming one.

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Good post, I agree completely.