Sandusky found guilty of most sex abuse charges

So JoePa still takes the heat from the grave, in spite of the fact that there were allegations against Sandusky made to authorities some years before the McQuery/Paterno "enlightenment", and nothing was done at that time. Paterno was still THE bad guy tho - years after the ORIGINAL fact. Is he innocent of any wrong doing??? - NO. But he sure didn't deserve what he ended up getting.

And this isn't a rant/rave post - JMHO. It's best if I leave this thread, since I've stated enough of my opinions. :eek:

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Originally Posted by happylabs

I totally agree with you on this! Paterno should have been more diligent with the situation when he first heard about it. I truly believe he did not want to scar Penn State's "good name". This was swept under the rug on purpose. I know a lot of Penn State fans and lovers of Paterno will rant and rave if they read this but I don't really care.

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That is the reason that PSU wants the cases to be settled ASAP.

They did nothing but dodge the facts.

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On the day that the OJ Simpson trial verdict was read, I was in a meeting for my job.

During the trial I was able to watch most of the coverage and I was interested in the verdict.

Why?

A few years earlier I watched people in El Lay burn almost burn the place down - to this day there are open spots along the main drags that are concrete slabs where people and businesses stood. I was pretty sure if that creep was tossed into the clink, the same thing would happend.

Someone came into the room and told us that the verdict was in and we could watch it in one of the media rooms.

We all made our way in and started to watch the tube.

I took up a place along the wall and a woman came up and stood next to me. That kinda irritated me, because I wanted to judge the reaction of everyone in the room.

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The room got still and the two things that i remember most vivdly is Robert Kardashian looking like someone kicked him in the gonads and the woman next to me.

I felt her jostle me and I looked over to see her face.

Her eyes were wide open and she was smiling while doing a little victory jig.

I thought to myself, "WTF is THAT all about?"

The coverage cut to shots of reactions at some kind of law school were half the audience was cheering, hooting and clapping.

I have to say that is what embarassed me to be a human and Angleno, not in that order, but close enough.

The media played up all the angles, except the basic fact that two people were killed.

El Lay and the people who lived there were on pins and needles waiting for the results.

The verdict was a joke, but the way people 'celebrated' it left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

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Years before, I was a member of a jury that before being excused, we were asked if we wanted to meet with the lawyers, for some reason they wanted to talk to us and get some info about the deliberations.

Before we went out, the foreperson and two other women were shaking with excitement about getting to talk with them. One said, "Good, I don't have to go back to work today...."

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I think I prefer TV courtrooms to the real life BS when 'real' people are involved.

There is no more decorum, common sense or thought for each other when real crap like this happens. It's all a tragedy and instead of soaking it in and learning from it?

People celebrate it like it's something good.

Yes, there should be relief that people are held accountable for their actions, but a group of people standing around and making light of a courtroom verdict, make me nervous.

We may as well go back to the Wild West and start public executions all over again.

That would give the crown a more instant kind of gratification and think of the souvenir sales?:(:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

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Where the heck is the 'LIKE' button on here? So freaking true it is ridiculous. "JoPaw" is as bad as the perpetrator, IMO. Dead or not (sorry, Ellie!!), this guy took the lame, easy, cowardly way out, all for the love of sports. Sad.

Not to say others also weren't culpable, but Joe Paterno was a 'leader', a 'hero'....and a big, fat, chickenshat.

MSNBC is reporting that Paterno will be arrested and put on trial as soon as he can be located.

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I can hardly wait for Dick Wolf to do the screenplay.

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

But he sure didn't deserve what he ended up getting.

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I could not agree with you more. If this guy was any "leader" other than a college football coach - if he was a teacher or a principal or a businessperson or a politician - the remonstration would have been far, far greater.

I see that Penn States own internal investigation found Paterno, among others, guilty of cover up. Tens years of knowledge, and all those innocent children. Sick.

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I see that Penn States own internal investigation found Paterno, among others, guilty of cover up. Tens years of knowledge, and all those innocent children. Sick.

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You're correct Jo, and I admit when I'm wrong. It's just a shame JP made those bad choices that will forever overshadow all the good he did over the years. Sad for his family, and tragic for the victims. I wonder how this would all play out if he was still alive.

An interesting point?

My roomie said, in passing, had JP turned in Sandusky rather than covering up the incidents?

He'd be hailed as a hero or someone who put honor before a game.

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One thing that stuck in my craw about the whole deal?

All the good coaches who are going to be put under the microscope because of that moron.

Also, why were children allowed onto a college campus?

I understand the desire to show kids what a great college experience can be had, but why wasn't Sandusky
checked up on, especially after the first reports of his molesting kids?

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I understand the desire to show kids what a great college experience can be had, but why wasn't Sandusky
checked up on, especially after the first reports of his molesting kids?

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Because those that were in the position to do so, chose just to turn their heads, slap Sandusky on the wrist and tell him not to do it again, and then go about their life as usual routine - all for the sake of money. Tell Sandusky not to do it again??? - sure, just like an alcoholic will comply if you simply tell him not to have anything else to drink. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

You're correct Jo, and I admit when I'm wrong. It's just a shame JP made those bad choices that will forever overshadow all the good he did over the years. Sad for his family, and tragic for the victims. I wonder how this would all play out if he was still alive.

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Pom- you are entitled to your opinion, and that doesn't mean you are 'wrong' if the powers that be determine otherwise. Personally, I have a hard time believing he didn't know a lot more than he let on. I played a college sport, and while it wasn't football (LOL), everyone knew what everyone was doing, from other players, to the trainors, to the assistant coaches (and their wives), all the way up to the AD. I think Sandusky's wife is to blame, too.

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One thing that stuck in my craw about the whole deal?

All the good coaches who are going to be put under the microscope because of that moron.

Also, why were children allowed onto a college campus?

I understand the desire to show kids what a great college experience can be had, but why wasn't Sandusky
checked up on, especially after the first reports of his molesting kids?

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All coaches, no strike that, all PEOPLE that are directly involved with children, should be put under the microscope. From parents to priests, from coaches to teachers, ALL of them should be put under the microscope. Those without pedophiliac tendencies would welcome to close scrutiny. In Scouting- and no question there have been problems in the organization - they have something called two deep leadership. Never, under any circumstance, should an adult (not the child's parent) be one on one with a youth. Never. I volunteered one day at J's camp this summer, and I don't know how many times I caught myself thinking, "am I ok in this situation"? Was it a hassle at some point? Yes, because it got in the way of just living normally. But, it was the absolute rule, and one I observed to the nth degree.

Other than family- J doesn't go alone with anyone, anywhere. And, yeah, I realize family is a big issue, you just have to know who/what is safe. And, talk, talk, talk about inappropriate conduct, and encourage the child to never, ever, ever go off alone with someone, and respecting boundaries.

I hate this is the world we live in. But, I hate even more that children go through this.

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All coaches, no strike that, all PEOPLE that are directly involved with children, should be put under the microscope. From parents to priests, from coaches to teachers, ALL of them should be put under the microscope. Those without pedophiliac tendencies would welcome to close scrutiny. In Scouting- and no question there have been problems in the organization - they have something called two deep leadership. Never, under any circumstance, should an adult (not the child's parent) be one on one with a youth. Never. I volunteered one day at J's camp this summer, and I don't know how many times I caught myself thinking, "am I ok in this situation"? Was it a hassle at some point? Yes, because it got in the way of just living normally. But, it was the absolute rule, and one I observed to the nth degree.

Other than family- J doesn't go alone with anyone, anywhere. And, yeah, I realize family is a big issue, you just have to know who/what is safe. And, talk, talk, talk about inappropriate conduct, and encourage the child to never, ever, ever go off alone with someone, and respecting boundaries.

I hate this is the world we live in. But, I hate even more that children go through this.

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The Chinese and Russians (maybe Richard Branson soon?) are the only ones putting people into space.
I'd love to take that ride. I hate this planet at times, too.

I was a camp counselor for one summer and did a few week long outings with kids...And I thought the very same thought...

"Am I o.k.?"

You know you are o.k., but it takes one incident to put you under the spotlight.

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I just read a story where some kind of counselor/teacher made contact with a student---the kid claimed the teacher fondled his breasts, the teach said he put his hand out to stop the kid - and the teach was being dragged over the coals for sex abuse. Someplace in between the truth exists.

It's one extreme to another.

Some kids -devious little effers - know enough to scream when something is wrong, others do it when nothing is wrong, then you have the kids who are so hurt by what an adult has done to them, they don't trust anyone and they suffer needlessly.

I do wonder why so many kids - 9? - were let to hang out with this idiot and noone complained.

Usually one of the children will blow the whistle on stuff like that, In this Case? you have a bunch of adults who dropped the ball.

morons.