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I agree that people generally feel they shuold simply be able to choose whatever they want to ingest, healthy or no. Unfortunately there are many bad choices as well as good ones. It's pretty clear to me that some people will sell a person pretty much anything now a day to make a buck or two regardless if it makes the customer drop dead :p Large portions are kinda rampant in the U.S. though I think..
So the distributed cost of society argument is old...it doesn't make it any less valid. BUT...some other mechanism of changing behavior may be suitable. My unscientific observation is that the presence of calorie counts on the food displays at fast food places at least makes people think about what they're eating, if only for a nanosecond.
Has there been regulatory creep? Absolutely! Has it been needed? That can be argued pro and con, and is a debate for another time.
The basis of the United States has always been freedom, and banning and restrictions of anything, be it drugs or any other consumer product, just creates black markets and contempt for the law.
Make all the PSAs you want, but banning a super slurpy is just ridiculous. It would be one hell of an incentive for restaurants to move out of NYC proper and into the suburbs, though.
I do have to agree with this statement... you certainly get value for money!Quote:
Originally Posted by Varga
Since the drink 'refill' has been mentioned several times on this thread, perhaps it would be more beneficial (i.e. in terms of lowering incidence of obesity) to scrap that. I honestly don't know anywhere over here that does drink refills for free. When I was nine and holidaying in FL, of course I loved the fact I could run down to the hotel restaurant every morning and get a monster sugar rush before I'd even eaten breakfast . :p As an adult? It's a peculiarity. If I'd grown up with the idea and become accustommed to it, would I really feel like my 'liberty' was infringed upon? As a Brit, not a chance. As an American, I guess I can't say. One thing would be for sure - I'd probably be far less healthy than I am now (and I wouldn't count myself as the image of physical fitness as it stands!) Sometimes, one can be blinkered by an affinity for one's comforts. I respect the American passion for freedoms of all kinds, and can see how well ingrained it is in all American people that I have ever met. That is a wonderful thing; by no means is my opinion meant to cause offence. My stance is that I, personally, find that conservatism stretching to preserve drinks under the 'freedom-to-have-what-we-want' clause a little excessive.
We are more of a nanny state than you guys, no doubt. Sometimes that is indeed a bad thing. We are also an overweight nation.
What do most British obese people blame their weight on? Fatty and sugary foods being cheap, and accessible. They know the dangers of carrying so much weight, and many admit they don't even enjoy the food anymore - they just eat out of habit. And a habit, so they say, is impossible to break when it's staring you in the face most of the time.
Maybe some people need a little nannyin'?!
Again, NOT to flame. I have no sympathy for morbidly obese people hooked up to oxygen machines and unable to reach to put on their own shoes. On no basis is that condition genetic; terrible addiction, yes, genes, no. Addictions can, and should, be addressed before getting to that state. In this country, their care is financed out of the wallet of the taxpayer. We are bitter when we see millions spent on what we deem could have been avoided.
I believe the Delphic phrase is 'Nothing in excess', not that I know the Greek off the top of my head...
Perhaps I am beating around the bush. Our government recently tried to impose a tax on pasties and various other baked goods, depending on their temperature. :p Banning of supersized drinks seems such a more straightforward idea. ;)
I think it all boils down to personal choices. People have the ability to choose what and how much they eat or drink. Moderation is the key. JMO.
Catmom,
I've been trying to save you from yourself since I met you. I've finally come to realize that you just don't mess with perfection!!!;););)
Personal choices and personal responsibility. It's not anyone else's fault but my own for eating fast food or going back for free refills. Placing the blame on the government or food industry is outrageous. On the same hand, the government shouldn't be responsible for putting restrictions or bans on my personal choices. Even if it's my "best interest", that is my decision to make. Too many people lack responsibility, though, and want to place blame elsewhere. That behavior disgusts me. If we, as a country, started making ourselves accountable for our own actions... We'd all be better off. I personally don't need the government or anyone else to tell me drinking sugary drinks is bad for me, but I guess some people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Aside from the softdrink issue, I have to disagree with this sentiment. "Fatty" foods have been vilified way too much and more and more evidence is coming out that some whole fatty foods have a lot of nutritional value. In my opinion, you could never base a "punishment" type tax on foods based on fat or carbohydrate levels alone. Rice is a high carbohydrate food. Many of the Japanese eat rice as a staple (along with fatty fish) and yet they have one of the lowest obesity rates as a country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
The demons as I see it are too much processed foods, unneeded sugar, and portion sizes.
I personally think raising awareness is the best step that can be taken to help people make better lifestyle choices. I think there is something like 10 teaspoons of sugar in a can of cola. I wonder if many people even realize how much sugar they are taking in and how deadly that can be to a person's health.
I do think huge portion sizes at restaurants can make people feel they may as well clean their plate, etc. and can end up producing cravings for larger portions, but I don't know if legislating such a thing would make a dent or not.
I agree with the portion sizes. Since being on a gluten free diet, I've also been reducing portion sizes. Gluten free has made that easier. I feel better. I've not really lost a lot of weight but have lost fat. I seem to be trimming some.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
I still think education is the key to solving our obesity problem. We need to change our philosophy towards food as a country. That will take some time.
This reminds me of when certain cities banned/tried to ban happy meals from fast food industries to help the problem with childhood obesity.
Yes, I think the mayor has good intentions, but he is going about it the wrong way. Banning these large portion drinks is taking away New York City citizens the freedom to choose. And isn't that what America is about? Freedom?
Meet a couple of them sometime. It's easy to judge someone at a glance on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Z
Some of them do have issues, genetic or otherwise, that LEAD to the obesity, and not a problem with addiction.
Even people without a medical condition or "excuse" to be morbidly obese deserve compassion and to not be scorned and judged. Often they are suffering from depression, anxiety, and other extreme stressors that make them feel beaten down and make them give up or reach for the only comforts that they can. On that note, people suffering from addictions usually aren't somehow lesser or weaker or more lazy people, but people with mental disorders, poor support networks, or situations of extreme prolonged grief and stress that get them caught up in a cycle they can't seem to escape.
Just as an aside, carping about American dietary habits is nothing new. Baron von Steuben complained mightily about the diet and preferences of the Colonial soldiers.
Ellie, it looks like Bloomberg stirred up a potential hornets nest with this nonsense about limiting soda and other "high sugar" drinks. On this morning's news it was announced that Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia will be trying to implement the same ban. With all of the serious problems facing our cities, why is THIS any kind of priority?
I missed that one, Eileen. He needs to worry about the murders in his city everyday, and not worry about the super-sized drinks. I doubt that Christie will be jumping on this bandwagon tho. Wouldn't that be like the pot calling the kettle black??? :eek::rolleyes::p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by momcat
Christie isn't referred to as "Lord of the Ring Dings" for nothing!Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu