Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

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Originally Posted by catland

McCain's choice of Palin finally did it for me. I always thought her selection was a gimick - she was picked because of her chromosones and nothing else. The thought of someone who doesn't even know that Africa is a continent and not a country being our president makes me shudder.

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Obama also stated there is 57 states in America. Frankly, if we're going on geographical knowledge, I'd rather my president know how many states we have rather than naming the continents.

I voted for McCain/Palin. I don't like Obama, I don't like the things he says or the things he stands for, and the fact that he is in office scares the life out of me. I don't know what America was thinking. It really disappoints me that Obama is our president. My dad said it best when he described Obama as an empty suit. I don't think he'll do anything good for the country, or the people. In fact, I think he'll make a lot of things worse. Taxes? I highly believe that taxes will increase. Education? We'll see how much good he's doing for the children in special education.
My vote did NOT go for Obama/Biden.

Hmm this is indeed very interesting reading for me, thanks for your posts.

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Originally Posted by buckner

Obama also stated there is 57 states in America. Frankly, if we're going on geographical knowledge, I'd rather my president know how many states we have rather than naming the continents.

I voted for McCain/Palin. I don't like Obama, I don't like the things he says or the things he stands for, and the fact that he is in office scares the life out of me. I don't know what America was thinking. It really disappoints me that Obama is our president. My dad said it best when he described Obama as an empty suit. I don't think he'll do anything good for the country, or the people. In fact, I think he'll make a lot of things worse. Taxes? I highly believe that taxes will increase. Education? We'll see how much good he's doing for the children in special education.
My vote did NOT go for Obama/Biden.

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Agree 100%

One of the things that I really don't like about Obama is his view of abortions. Not exactly the abortion itself (although I don't agree with abortion, who are we to say who lives or dies?) but the fact that if there ends up being a botched abortion, and the child is born alive, they should recieve no medical care. He's basically saying they don't matter. These are little babies, little Americans, and our PRESIDENT doesn't even care about them. Babies shouldn't be disposable. "Oh you got pregnant and don't want it? Go get rid of it!" It's sickening to me. I realize that a lot of people think abortions are up to the mother, it's their choice, but to me the idea of abortion is like someone saying they acquired a dog but found out they didn't want it, so they dropped it off on the side of the road, decided to get rid of it. I'm sure a lot of people here would protest to that, but hey, it's their choice right?

Needless to say, I voted for McCain/Palin

I did not vote for Obama. I did not trust him. believe in what he does, and I think that the fact that he spent 20 YEARS with someone with less than desirable messages (preacher), did not bode well in my eyes.

I also DO NOT agree with partial birth abortion.

So that is some of the reasons why I did NOT vote for him.


Now that he is going to be our President, I will respect that. Like it or not.

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Originally Posted by sumbirdy

Agree 100%

One of the things that I really don't like about Obama is his view of abortions. Not exactly the abortion itself (although I don't agree with abortion, who are we to say who lives or dies?) but the fact that if there ends up being a botched abortion, and the child is born alive, they should recieve no medical care. He's basically saying they don't matter. These are little babies, little Americans, and our PRESIDENT doesn't even care about them. Babies shouldn't be disposable. "Oh you got pregnant and don't want it? Go get rid of it!" It's sickening to me. I realize that a lot of people think abortions are up to the mother, it's their choice, but to me the idea of abortion is like someone saying they acquired a dog but found out they didn't want it, so they dropped it off on the side of the road, decided to get rid of it. I'm sure a lot of people here would protest to that, but hey, it's their choice right?

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You hit the nail on the head. I still stand in amazement that this barbaric practice goes on in a civilied nation. Two things always come to mind when abortion comes up and I know we have discussed abortion here at PT ad nauseum but here they are:

1) The original Hippocratic oath state:
Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

2)Secondly, now since the murder of Lacy Peterson we now have legislation that states that the murder of a pregnant woman counts as a double homicide. However, if your mother isn't murdered, but merely chooses to end your life, little one, you are doomed and it is OK.

How in the world can these two things be reconciled? I like the example that you give, Sumbirdy, to that of a dog. No one here would leave a puppy by the side of the road who had just been born and was found in distress. It would be put in a car and whisked off to a vet. But........ it's OK to do that to a human baby. I believe people in this country have been severely duped to accept this lie of choice. There is no choice for the child. The practice is immoral and barbaric.

Excuse me for this rant but this whole subject sickens me. May God forgive us.

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Originally Posted by sumbirdy

These are little babies, little Americans, and our PRESIDENT doesn't even care about them. Babies shouldn't be disposable. "Oh you got pregnant and don't want it? Go get rid of it!" It's sickening to me.

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No one likes the idea of killing babies, but I sure bet the Republican party loves the fact that some people think of Obama as a "baby killer." Many bills about these controversial issues are introduced to congress to play to party politics. For example, this bill about partial birth abortion probably had some other agenda, and it had no real hope of passing. However, it did allow people to come back later and make claims against Obama that are sure to rouse some powerful emotion.

Just something to think about....we have had a republican president for the last 8 years, who has continuously said he is against abortion. As far as I know, he hasn't done anything about it whatsoever. I think both sides present a lot of rhetoric, but really, presidents don't have the power to simply ban abortion at the snap of their fingers. They just use moral issues as a way to sway votes, but ultimately do nothing about them.

The particular bill (withholding aid to a baby who survives abortion) was introduced and (IIRC) passed the Illinois State Legislature as a stand alone measure.

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Originally Posted by Pam

I still stand in amazement that this barbaric practice goes on in a civilied nation.

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Interesting that many feel this way about the death penalty -- especially since so many on death row have been found NOT to be guilty of the crime for which they were convicted.

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Interesting that many feel this way about the death penalty -- especially since so many on death row have been found NOT to be guilty of the crime for which they were convicted.

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What crimes have innocent babies committed? Theirs are the most innocent of all lives.

Our society seems to find itself in contradiction, as in the two areas I pointed out, and God had quite a bit to say about those who harm "the least of these." Man has woven a web and caught himself in it.

Sara, the death penalty is not what is being discussed here although you always seem to feel ready to bring that up. Please stick to the topic. As I said before, this has been discussed here ad nauseum and so there will be no more posts from my end.

Sara? Stick to the topic?

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Originally Posted by Pam

Sara, the death penalty is not what is being discussed here although you always seem to feel ready to bring that up. Please stick to the topic. As I said before, this has been discussed here ad nauseum and so there will be no more posts from my end.

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Sorry Pam. Nor was the topic abortion. I thought the topic was why did you or did you not vote for Obama.

You then turned the discussion to partial birth abortion.

And turned what had been a pleasant thread into another diatribe for anti-abortionist.

Are you (and LH) the only ones allowed to expand the subject?

Sara, neither Pam nor myself brought abortion into the discussion, that was done many posts ago.

I saw no diatribe, only a discussion.

I have commented little on political issues though I watch them very closely. I was sad to see this thread turn from a civil and honest discussion back into spatting and personal fights. I suppose it's to be expected, once a remark was made that another considered incorrect or inflammatory. I am glad it managed to stay out of the doghouse and stay respectful as long as it did.

That said, back when all of this was really raging over the net before Obama was elected, I wished to find out about the issue from a non-biased source that laid it all out. You can take from it what you will. You can read it and still feel Obama has a hidden agenda or is a liar. Or you can read it and understand why he says has voted the way he has on the issue.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...fanticide.html

I would like to quote this paragraph though:

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Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama's 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an "infant." It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support."

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I was the one who started this thread, to learn more about American politics and what Americans want, I really don't want anyone to become offended or upset, we all have our opinions and views, some of us here are not religious and have different views about abortion,some of us are religious,and also share different views,some of our views have nothing to do with religion, it is just our view,no-one has the right to push their views on someone else,we all have to respect that and accept it.

The topic is not abortion, it is about why you voted for obama or not, of course this has come into it, because it is one of the reasons why some of you chose not to elect him,that is fine, but please don't turn this thread into for and against abortion,everyone is entitled to their opinions,and it is a very controversial and emotive subject which has been hashed our here on PT many times before.

I really don't want the thread to have to be deleted either by me or Karen, and i can see that ahead, I really am finding it so interesting and informative.

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Sara, neither Pam nor myself brought abortion into the discussion, that was done many posts ago.

I saw no diatribe, only a discussion.

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Why no outcry about sticking to the topic when abortion was brought in? Why only when the death sentence was?

And why am I not allowed to join in the discussion? Oh that's right. Because I have a different opinion...:D