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We now return you to "Alexander and the Gordian knot"
The only thing I agree with is that we should be doing something about the external influences. Peer pressure has always been on children to have the latest fad, but at the end of the day, parents should have the final word. To blame teachers for children slacking in studies, and blame advertising for making them fat and demanding is lunacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
BTW, Wom, as far as no one being able to afford only one income?
Funny, we're managing it, and doing quite well, thank you. It's a little touch and go at times, but we'd rather do this than have children in daycare. It comes down to choosing which is more important.
Well so do I. And that also is my choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
But when I was a kid, hardly any women worked at all....now most of them do, so they have less time for their kids.
I'm sorry folks if I have a different opinion than you all, but that is my opinion, and as someone else pointed out here on this thread, they shall stand by that, and so shall I stand by mine. It's ok to say blaming external influence is lunacy, but I believe it is a real issue here, and there are certainly many people who will agre with me, especially in the medical profession.
Sheesh.......saying that parents must take the full blunt of the blame is like saying....."hey....lets not have kids and create the problem in the first place".
Like I said before, there are many many parents out there who are doing absolutely the best they can....given the circumstances of junk thrown at their kids them from all angles, they are still doing the best they can. It's the advertising companies and the manufacturers who make a art out of getting money out of kids who are not responsible. Call it business....call it what you like....selling snake oil was slotted into the catagory to.
Wom
Wom, the point is that the external influences can in large part be turned off.
Sure they can be......what are you going to do ??? Lock them in the basement ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Why should you have to do that ????? Why don't the companies do something about the problem ????
I'm glad the doctors are speaking up about this, and that the govt may step in and do something about this.......if it helps, just like with smoking....if even a handful of kids can be helped, then it's all worth it.
LH.....just a case in point here if I may............I have a cousin, who had Anorexia Nervosa, she almost died from it........a disease that was almost non-existent when I was young. She had the BEST parents that anyone could ever have, and she was one of those real protected kids. Her parents had no control over magazines and stuff that she viewed with her friends at school, how could they ???? What was the solution ???? Home schooling ???
At least the English are now considering banning models that look so unhealthy (but obviously thrown at the teenage girls to promote whatever sales) from the catwalk. Good on them, at least they are trying to do something.
Wom
No need to lock them in the basement. Simply do what my parents did a few decades ago. Limit TV, limit and control other media, and keep an eye on who we were hanging out with and what we were doing when we were doing it.
Anorexia nervosa has probably existed for ages, but like other mental illnesses wasn't diagnosed. Mental health is a relatively new field of study, and many ailments simply didn't exist even 20 years ago. Not because they were not affecting people, but because they weren't being diagnosed. As a parallel, I can almost guarantee Post Traumatic Stress disorder affected soldiers from the Civil War, the Spanish American war, Boxer rebellion, and other pre-Vietnam conflicts, but there was no diagnosis for it, as the science wasn't there.
For the most part, mom's are still the one that do the grocery shopping. That gives us some control especially when kids are small. It's easy to have a household without chips, candies, soda, cookies and cakes. Even working mom's can make quick meals that are healthy.
Once the children start school you can pack their lunches. You still have control over what they eat for breakfest and dinner. If you give them an apple for a snack instead of a bag of chips it becomes a life long habit they take with them.
Schools often serve the worst food, especially in high school, pizza, burgers, taco's, soft drinks in the vending machines along with candies.
Once they become teenagers and can drive you have pretty much lost control. You have to set those good eatting habits young.
I taught my kids to cook boys and girl. Oh yes I worked the whole time as well, had to. I babysat when they were little, sold Avon for 19 years, worked as a hostess, housecleaner, staffer, receptionist, office manager, car detailer. I did lots of things to earn extra money. Doesn't take any longer to make a good healthy meal then it does to make a crappy one.
If you look in your cabinets right now how many of us have those dreaded cookies, chips, soda, cakes, pies. Who bought them? And why are we giving them to our kids instead of applesauce, strawberries, yogurt, cut up veggies.
If you have a fat kid look at yourself and what is in your cabinets. Don't blame others. Yes there are a lot of commericals on TV, are you saying that you don't have the brains to decide what your kids will eat? Take control parents. Just because a new chip comes out doens't mean you have to buy it.
Here is an easy and yummy treat for kids.
Cut up fruit, apples, pears, strawberries, grapes what ever you have.
Take one container of yogurt, (strawberry is great) put in bowl and mix with one cup of Cool whip.
Fruity, fluffy, yummy, dipping treat.
"""Anorexia Nervosa is more common today, than a century ago. There are different reasons for this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
The thin ideal has become "fashionable", an ideal which almost all type's of media advocate. This leads people to believe that this is the ideal way to look like, and the right way to live their life. Many people try different slimming methods, one after the other, and unsuitable slimming methods is the most common factor which starts an eating disorder.
Modern technology helps us so much that we do not need to exert our bodies physically as much as before. Most work is performed in a sitting position. People handle the reduced need for with less and/or healthy food.
The media also focus a lot on sport and exercise, which can lead to an extreme focus on one´s body, and on an almost unreachable body ideal.
Eating disorders like Anorexia Nervosa have shown to occur more commonly in countries where these reasons are more apparent in the daily life. """"
Agreed....it has been around for a long time, and was first diagnosed in the 1800's or thereabouts........but it is more common now, for the reasons above !!!!!!
PTSD is a little different, it is caused by trauma.....but I can see the parallel, and will accept same as that.
Wom
http://www.media-awareness.ca/englis...sing_rules.cfm
STUDENT HANDOUT
Rules For Advertising to Kids
In Canada, there are rules that advertisers must follow when advertising to children.
Here they are:
1. Advertisers must not use words like "new," "introducing" and "introduces" to describe a product for more than one year.
* New products always seem more exciting, so advertisers are only allowed to promote a product as "new" for a year.
2. Advertisers are not allowed to exaggerate.
* Some advertisers want to make you believe that their product is bigger or faster or better than it really is.
3. Advertisers may not promote craft and building toys that the average kid can't put together.
* When you get a kit that is supposed to be for kids, you should be able to make it yourself.
* Also, your finished project should look like the picture of the finished product that appears on the box.
4. Advertisers are not allowed to sell products that aren't meant for kids.
* For example, a commercial that sells vitamins or drugs should be aimed at adults, not kids. Check out some ads for adult products - do they use cartoon characters, jingles or images that would attract kids?
5. Advertisers are not allowed to recommend that you have to buy their product, or that you should make your parents buy it for you.
* In commercials, advertisers can't say things like: "Hey kids, tell mom and dad to run down to the store and get you one now!" or "You must have our product, or you won't be cool!" But they are still going to try to make you want to do these things, so watch commercials closely to see how they make you feel this way without telling you directly.
6. Advertisers may not use well-known kids' entertainers (including cartoon characters) to promote or endorse a product.
* Although advertisers can create their own characters for kids, like "Tony The Tiger" or the "Nestlé Quick Bunny," they can't use performers or characters from kids' shows in their TV commercials. This rule does not apply to packaging, so you might find cartoon characters or famous people on the front of your favourite cereal box.
7. Advertisers can't make you believe that you're getting everything that's shown in the commercial.
In their ads, advertisers have to tell you exactly what you are getting when you buy the toy, and what it will cost. Advertisers are supposed to clearly state:
* The complete price of every part of the toy they are showing, whenever the price is mentioned in an ad.
* Any parts of the toy shown in the commercial that cost extra.
* Any other toys in the commercial that are sold separately.
Next time you watch a toy commercial, see how the advertiser obeys the rule, while still giving a false impression. Look for really small writing on the screen at the end of the ad saying "Batteries not included," or an announcer's voice talking very fast.
8. Advertisers are not allowed to show kids or adults doing unsafe things with the product.
* Unless it's part of a safety message about what not to do, advertisements can't show kids or adults doing dangerous things that children might try to copy.
9. Advertisers can't suggest that using their product will make you better than other kids.
* They also can't make kids think that people will make fun of them if they don't use the product.
10. Advertisers cannot show more than one commercial for the same product in a half-hour period.
* In other words, No Brainwashing Allowed!
BE AN AD DETECTIVE! SEE HOW WELL ADVERTISERS FOLLOW THE RULES FOR ADVERTISING TO KIDS!
Source: The Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB) Broadcast Code For Advertising To Children (1993)
Good food is up against the same peer pressure as intelligent speech and nonviolence - if you eat a good packed lunch or choose salad over fries, you're a "baby" and a "goody two-shoes" and on your way to ostracism (or even a pounding!) That's not a small consideration. Kids who are on sports teams sort of have an "excuse" because they're pulling for their school's reputation when they eat well, but otherwise, stuffing your face with junk says "I make my own decisions, nobody pushes me around." It's a real problem.
Yes, I realize that this is not the case in private schools or in particularly nice neighborhoods, and that there are probably other exceptions that I haven't listed (e.g. your kid).
Love, Columbine
Some interesting PDFs here for review as well, regarding the USA. Report released in April of this year.
http://cdpac.4poyntzdezign.com/content.php?doc=73
And some excellent parent stuff here on educating their kids:
http://www.caru.org/guidelines/parent.asp
My high school actually had a "Consumer Education" course! We learned how to write deceptive ads without breaking rules or lying outright, how to spot "inflated" packaging and bogus guarantees, and appeal to would-be opponents by using straw man arguments and emotional appeals. Problem was, it wasn't in elementary school...
Love, Columbine
Thanks for that C....they are very interesting reads indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
Wom