Grieving couple commits suicide after dog dies

Well after reading all this, I will say my 2 cents worth I guess. I agree that sometimes the grief or sadness can be overwhelming and almost untamable as in that you would commit suicide or at least try. I have felt that way myself. But I would never actually do it. Anything that has loved you so much, animal or human, would never want you to end your life just because they passed on.

I am very as for this couple that they did end their life. All I can hope is that they are with their dog now. But I would never commit suicide over a pet or a relative, they would want me to live out my life and be happy.

Sadly suicide is getting more and more popular these days:(

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Originally Posted by Argranade

Well if you don't like the word ''stupid'' I'll put it this way,

It was plain ''FOOLISH'' ...

I would feel sad and pissed off but I would not go about killing my self.

I honestly don't feel sorry for that couple, I feel MORE sorry for there family having to know there own parents, grandma, cousin ect ... killed them self for a dog. There's nothing wrong with crying over a fish .. as long as you don't stuff your head in the fish tank drowning your self along with it!

People who suffer from being depressed they should seek HELP! or find somthing like a hobby to take your mind off things. If you can't handle an animal dieing the first time and want to think about KILLING YOUR SELF DON'T get another pet because you will get even more depressed when that animal dies & will have a greater chance of deing or killing your self OR just going completly crazy.

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I hope you never are unfortunate enough to have a close friend or family member who suffers from severe depression. As a depression sufferer, I can tell you that people with attitudes like yours make life much more difficult for those of us who have this illness.

Find a hobby to take your mind off things??? Please. Go do some research into what depression is really all about. You obviously haven't a clue.

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Originally Posted by Argranade

No I would not do that same, Argranade was my most speacail bird ever, I had him from a little egg, I taught him how to fly and he would follow me around the house, every single time I called his name he would fly right down to me. Sadly a few years later he got a disease, he was fighting for his life for a few days untill one night when he was laying beside me I turned out the light and just as I reached to hold him he took his last breath and died in my arms ... our hole little friendship was gone and I never wanted another pet again.

You may think it was JUST a pigeon and will never match up to a dog but that's bull **** because a pigeon can be just a good of a pet as a dog can, but for me he was better, this little pigeon had such a spirit that I'll never forget no matter what.

Did you see me hang my self? NO because I was told if you kill your self you go to hell, yeah sounds like a bunch of bull LOL but I'm not taken any chances, even if I never heard of that I would NEVER even think of taking my life for a animal.


No, why would I feel any different, It would be even more stupid if they took there life over a budgie, ya taking your life is wrong no matter how lovey dovey you put it, those old people must have had problems in there life and when there dog died I geuss all those problems smashed into there brain.

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Considering the speed in which you dispose of your "pets" you are not qualified to pass judgement.

Have I told you that I love your posts Kym? :)

It's not so easy to take your mind off of things when you lose the love of your life, especially when that life never even had a chance to live. You've obviously never suffered depression after a pet dies.

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Originally Posted by CathyBogart

Have I told you that I love your posts Kym? :)

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he he he he he! me too Kym!!!:D

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Originally Posted by CathyBogart

Have I told you that I love your posts Kym? :)

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Once or twice Cathy! By the way How are those massages? If you aren't taking advantage....I have a massage table here and I will happily be a guinea pig for the cause :p

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Originally Posted by CatsinDenver

I hope you never are unfortunate enough to have a close friend or family member who suffers from severe depression. As a depression sufferer, I can tell you that people with attitudes like yours make life much more difficult for those of us who have this illness.

Find a hobby to take your mind off things??? Please. Go do some research into what depression is really all about. You obviously haven't a clue.

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Actualy my dad had to leave work from suffering from depresion, he would lay in bed all the time and would not even want to go outdoors, the doctor gave him pills which made things WORSE ... later on he wen't to a better doctor and you know what he told me dad? he told him to get a hobby and start running outside, taking walks ect .. to get his mind off himself and it WORKED!

My dads sister just died a month ago, he took her death VERY well!

I know alot about being depressed ALOT, I have been threw it many times when I was growing up but now that I started art, photography my life is a hole lot better because I took my mind off thinking about my life ect .... my family had and still does have MANY fights but I'm learning to take it, my birds always make me feel better and music. There my hobby.

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Considering the speed in which you dispose of your "pets" you are not qualified to pass judgement.

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I have helped MORE birds than I can count, so what I buy and sell birds at least I don't abuse them .. I always make sure they go to good homes, you should see all the e-mails I get from happy familys that now have life time pets!

So lay off!

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Originally Posted by Argranade

Actualy my dad had to leave work from suffering from depresion, he would lay in bed all the time and would not even want to go outdoors, the doctor gave him pills which made things WORSE ... later on he wen't to a better doctor and you know what he told me dad? he told him to get a hobby and start running outside, taking walks ect .. to get his mind off himself and it WORKED!

My dads sister just died a month ago, he took her death VERY well!

I know alot about being depressed ALOT, I have been threw it many times when I was growing up but now that I started art, photography my life is a hole lot better because I took my mind off thinking about my life ect .... my family had and still does have MANY fights but I'm learning to take it, my birds always make me feel better and music. There my hobby.


I have helped MORE birds than I can count, so what I buy and sell birds at least I don't abuse them .. I always make sure they go to good homes, you should see all the e-mails I get from happy familys that now have life time pets!

So lay off!

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Well what a treat dear, what I would like to see is you not disposing of them on the next unsuspecting family, doing research and not posting of so many deaths.

Purchasing at yard auctions only encourages more people to fill the demand so how are you helping?

By the way how is the Ringneck? or Army? or are those we aren't allowed to discuss again?

Abuse is in the eye of those that think they don't, I have never ever met an abusive parent or animal owner that feels they are doing anything wrong.

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Originally Posted by Argranade

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Actualy my dad had to leave work from suffering from depresion, he would lay in bed all the time and would not even want to go outdoors, the doctor gave him pills which made things WORSE ... later on he wen't to a better doctor and you know what he told me dad? he told him to get a hobby and start running outside, taking walks ect .. to get his mind off himself and it WORKED!

My dads sister just died a month ago, he took her death VERY well!

I know alot about being depressed ALOT, I have been threw it many times when I was growing up but now that I started art, photography my life is a hole lot better because I took my mind off thinking about my life ect .... my family had and still does have MANY fights but I'm learning to take it, my birds always make me feel better and music. There my hobby.

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I'm glad that your father found something that worked for him. But I'm even more appalled that with a history of depression in your family that you would show so little sympathy for people who suffer from this illness. Instead, you chose to write something that caused me (and no doubt other Pet Talkers) a great deal of pain.

I have chronic depression, which has required hospitalization in the past. Right now one of my cats is probably dying. I come to Pet Talk for comfort, and I end up reading your callous, nasty posts.

Again, I recommend that you educate yourself before spouting off.

Think this thread is taking a bad turn. This thread was talking about suicide
and depression.
Everyone may have different views on what constitutes depression severe
enough to provoke a sucide response. It might be morally wrong to some
but it is a sad reality in our culture.

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Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow

Well what a treat dear, what I would like to see is you not disposing of them on the next unsuspecting family, doing research and not posting of so many deaths.

Purchasing at yard auctions only encourages more people to fill the demand so how are you helping?

By the way how is the Ringneck? or Army? or are those we aren't allowed to discuss again?

Abuse is in the eye of those that think they don't, I have never ever met an abusive parent or animal owner that feels they are doing anything wrong.

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The auctions I go to are very nice, people from all over Ontario go there.

There are reasons for postings of deaths, many of the birds I get in like pigeons and doves are already sick so I try to do my best and make them better again for releasing, I got some pigeons from this guy hoping they where healthy and it turned out they where almost ALL sick and I ended up having almost all of them die which was very hard.

Army was given to my friend for a birthday present, I know I said I was going to keep him but she was realy wanting a small parrot for her birthday and her parents agreed it was ok. The ringneck I got was actualy about 11 years old and I wanted to start young so I sold him to a friend breeder for only $50.

It's better to give than recieve & if you remember I buy and sell birds but I'm going to be stopping this after I sell my last batch of baby doves, lovebirds & there's still 1 inured pigeon looking for a home. Later when we move I'm going to take up falconry and hunting with them.

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Originally Posted by dukedogsmom

Popcornbird, those are good points but just because we know we're going to lose our loved ones, be they humans or pets, does not make it easier. And how can you know how we feel about our lost pets? The loss of Duke has hurt me more than losing my dad. So, what does that make me? Some people will probably think me a horrible person for that statement. Yes, I loved my dad dearly and would have done anything for him. Duke was my furry soulmate. I'm really upset that you think that people like me don't know true grief because I don't have kids or a spouse. I never wanted kids. And no, my animals aren't a replacement for them. I had plenty of opportunities to have a kid if I wanted one. Now, I would never do suicide like this couple did but I can surely understand their despair because I'm living it right now. As a side note, I do know what it's like to lose an almost spouse. He's very ill and doesn't want to talk to anyone. Another reason my heart is breaking. So please, don't question someone else's grief.

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Val, I never said I know, or can imagine how someone who loses a beloved pet would feel. I have had my birds for 7 1/2 years. They've been through so many changes in life with me, and I cannot imagine losing them. That being said, I know that one day, we will all have to part from our loved ones. No, of course that doesn't make it any easier, but the thought that if we're patient, we will one day join them, does.

I would never judge your feelings for Duke, and would never judge you, or anyone negatively for grieving over the loss of their pet. I know that I would be in unbearable pain if I were in that situation, but again, its not a reason to commit suicide. I was only talking about my own personal feelings, because I personally feel a good spouse is like a person's other half. At least I feel that way about my husband. The love just doesn't compare to anything else. I love my pets tremendously, but I do have loving feelings towards all members of my family, and the love for pets, though very deep, is still different.

Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.

Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.

Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.

My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.

As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.

OK, my two cents now...and I don't intend this to offend, put down, or "correct" anyone else.
These are just some things I've realized through my own dealings with depression.

Everyone gets depressed over one thing or another. But not everyone has a depressive disorder. A person stuck in a chronic depression, depressive episode, or spiraling deeper into depression is not going to go get help on their own.

because...
You don't even realize that you are depressed - the entire world becomes bleak, unchanging, morbid, and everything becomes overwhelming to deal with....including relationships to people around you & things you used to care about. (been there, done that). each time you lose something you loved, it just gets worse. It really takes the effort of people who care about you, to help you get help.

There are many forms of depression. Some are situational, and after a while they lessen, so maybe hobbies & such to help one refocus will be enough to bring someone out of that kind of depression.

Then there is depression caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. No hobby is ever going to resolve this problem. There are many medications that help your body regain balance. Sometimes it takes a while for doctors to figure out what will work best for that person. It's important not to give up.

My family has a long history of depression, and I personally feel blessed to live in an age when depression is better understood. We've had family institutionalized for decades, suicides & attempted suicides, and a whole parcel of what used to be termed "crazy" behaviors over the generations.


:( It really bothers me when PTers get rude, insulting, abrasive & start posting back & forth biting commentary. This thread is about two people who loved their pet just as much as we love ours. We'll never know what else they were dealing with that would push them into such a sad ending.

RIP, Puppy, and Mr. & Mrs. I pray your families may find a way to come to peace with your decision.