Show me where in the second amendment....which you DID quote....says anything about trained and educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
It it was good enough in 1776 it is good enough today, right?
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Show me where in the second amendment....which you DID quote....says anything about trained and educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
It it was good enough in 1776 it is good enough today, right?
I read your articles Sparky...some doctors said some stuff about knives and then there is some discussion of SWORDS....SWORDS....not knives.....
I see NOTHING about the Scottish government banning knives. Geez....
there is a BIG difference between a law about not carrying something on your person and not owning something. That does not a BAN make....
Maybe this will help you understand the difference...I cannot carry lip gel on an airplane...that does NOT mean lip gel is banned. I am still allowed to own lip gloss.
Please do not speak to me like I am stupid. I do not speak to you that way. I don't think it is too much to ask for the same respect from you. Just because you don't agree does not make me stupid. You are capable of having a discussion without resorting to such behaviour are you not?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Anyway it states.... HUNTING KNIVES. Hunting knives are not swords. they are knives. Bowie knives are KNIVES. They are already starting a ban on certain swords and knives.... won't be long before thugs are using kitchen knives and then they will have to ban those too.
I also didn't say they were banned.... I said they WANT to ban them. It has been discussed and considered... just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.... it's already starting. It even says that swords only make up 1% of knife crime. When the sword ban makes no difference what do you think they will resort to next.
While the second amendment does not state training does not change the fact that MY OPINION is that you should be trained to own a gun for protection. If you own a gun and are not trained in how to use it ... that makes you irresponsible. I am not for the irresponsible ownership of anything. I was simply stating what I think. My quoting of the secone amendment was to answer the question of why we shouldn't ban guns. That aside I do not think just anyone should get a gun and start firing blindly into the night. AND if you are not positive that you could shoot someone who is threatening your life.... you are more of a danger to yourself than you realize.
Edwinas Secretary wrote : "" I am still allowed to own lip gloss ""
What for ????
lol, as far as guns go...
Some of us just like to go up to the Range and shoot. It's fun...it's all very safe, we take precautions, and no one gets hurt...It sometimes turns into a game (who can shoot the most of the dollar store little green men), and sometimes its just because we want to focus on something (aiming, zeroing...the concentration is sometimes welcome when you are feeling very spread thin).
And for handguns...I will be getting one soon...but not for protection...again...its mostly for the fun of shooting with my buddies at the Range....though, I think everyone who owns a gun should know how to opperate it...its kind of stupid if you dont
""Not to mention.... people hunt. therefore they own guns. 9 times out of 10 these are not the people you should be worried about breaking into your home and threatening your life. Banning guns only takes them out of the hands of the responsible owners. It does nothing to stop the thugs that get them illegally and do not have them registered.""
That is SO true !!!!!
Why to defend myself of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
I wonder how many of the guns used to commit crimes were stolen from someone who owned it legally?
I wonder why most gun related deaths are a result of domestic violence, accidents, and suicides.
I still see no valid argument for owning a handgun.
For personal protection? I would think if you were being mugged or car jack, pulling out a gun would escalate the violence much more then simply handing over the money or keys. Wouldn't most criminals be much more "handy" at using weapons? Pulling a gun out in real life is much different to the shooting range, and I am sure the guy trying to rob you would have a lot more experience. That is the same reason I never carry the mace my ex gave me. I could see some guy trying to attack me, I pull out my mace, fumble, he grabs the mace and sprays me. Much more fun if it was a lethal weapon.
BTW comparing hand guns to cars/golf clubs/baseball bats because those things could possibly kill is a ridiculous argument. A car's/club's/bat's main purpose is not to kill, while a guns purpose is to kill.
Ah now you are just assuming a criminal has more experience with a gun. My husband has over 12 years of training with guns, marksmanship, safety....etc etc. and has used it in a combat environment. now I know you can't get that kind of training whenever you buy a gun but I am certainly confident in his ability to use his weapon if needed. I highly doubt your run of the mill criminal has that kind of experience. Heck... the average police officer doesn't have that kind of experience and often has their weapon holstered incorrectly.... that then becomes a danger to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackie
and like I said.... all too often your run of the mill carjacking ends up in the beating or death of the innocent driver (in this day and age). It has happened to people I know who willingly complied with what the criminal wanted.... unfortunately hey had seen the criminals face and the criminal did not want to be turned into the police so they tried to rid my friends of the ability to do so.
See I would never recommend a gun for you. I clearly stated that you SHOULD be TRAINED in how to properly use such a weapon so THAT type of thing would NOT happen. If you cannot use your weapon correctly then you should not own one.
If you cannot operate a can of Mace properly than you have no business owning that either. Anything that is a weapon should come with TRAINING.
Ah now you are just assuming that I am talking specifically about you or your spose. Or you are just assuming the average gun owner has had the training your hubby has had.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, and I still believe that hand guns should not be privately owned. :)
Can you give your opinion on these comments?
I wonder how many of the guns used to commit crimes were stolen from someone who owned it legally?
I wonder why most gun related deaths are a result of domestic violence, accidents, and suicides.
I will have to look up the following statistics to answer that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jackie
Domestic violence.... well if one spouse wants to kill another it will happen with or without a gun. Unfortunately a woman I used to know (I actually knew her daughter and heard about this tragedy) was brutally beaten by her husband with her own crutches. No guns won't stop murder. Accidents .... result of improper training. Suicides... again they would happen with our without guns. When someone is determined to kill themselves or someone else... lack of a gun will not stop them. My grandfather killed himself by locking himself in the car with a hose going from the exhaust into the car window. Unfortunately I never got to meet him. he had a gun but chose to do it this way. So again... guns can't be blamed for these happenings. determination is a powerful thing and not having a gun is not enough to squash determination.
I know alot of states require people to get training. Mine does....plus I get the added training from the military.
I just wanted to point out that saying that because anything can kill a person, guns are fine is a logical fallacy. Like Jackie said, guns are designed to kill things, cars, golf clubs, etc, are not. And, people may be the ones to pull the trigger, but they'd have a much harder time killing anything without a gun. What about all the unintentional injuries and casualties that occur- such as children getting into guns...is that just the "people" not the guns?
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Originally Posted by Pembroke_Corgi
There are a few things designed to kill people also...knives...bows and arrows...Nuclear power....lol, I cant even imagine banning nuclear power...the state of virginia would loose all power.
Ugghhhh...I hate all this crap about guns! Guns dont kill people, people kill people! It is rediculous, cause all of us responsible gun owners suffer. Just cause you dont like guns, does not make them bad. I have been around guns all of my life, and so have my children. My boys are 7 and 11 eleven, they know about gun safety, but have yet to touch or fire a real gun. they wont until they are old enough and responsible enough. We are hunters, and target shooters, and both hubby and I have served our time in the Army, hubby 20 yrs and myself 10 years.
and even if guns were illegal, the crime rate wouldnt go down, because criminals import weapons from other countries. Also if people didnt have guns, they would just use something else.