Seattle airport removes Christmas Trees to avoid lawsuit...

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Originally Posted by gini

Just think...............

In our future we may not be able to use the color red - it might be associated with Christmas.

We shouldn't use green - it might remind us of Christmas trees.

Of course, we couldn't use blue - it could having something to do with Hanukkah.

Pink would be out - and probably yellow and lime - that would be so close to Easter colors.

And God forbid, orange or black - you might be referring to Halloween.

Grey - yes, a drab grey - that will be our new world.

But, for me, I simply have to say MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!

while I still can............without being sued.

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Good observation Gini! :( There is a cute song on Brad Paisley's Christmas CD which deals with political correctness in the songs that we sing this time of year. Of course it substitutes use of the word holiday over Christmas. It also pokes fun at the song white Christmas and how it discriminates against the color black. :) Also Little Town of Bethlehem might offend people of Bethlehem by claiming that their town is little. Of course it is just meant to be a silly song, but it is like you said, Gini. It makes you wonder where we go from here? :confused:

Now I think I will join you in wishing everyone a Merry CHRISTmas!

I think the trees are back up in the airport. It was on the news this morning.

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Originally Posted by elizabethann

I think the trees are back up in the airport. It was on the news this morning.

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I heard that too. Sanity returns. Merry Christmas!

Here's the mind blower.......If you do not clelebrate Chrstmas....Why DO YOU TAKE THE DAYS OFF?

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

Here's the mind blower.......If you do not clelebrate Chrstmas....Why DO YOU TAKE THE DAYS OFF?

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Good one Richard. :D

Thanks for including the link. After reading about these workers, I feel a
whole lot better. :)

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

Here's the mind blower.......If you do not clelebrate Chrstmas....Why DO YOU TAKE THE DAYS OFF?

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Amen!!!!!

I just read a post, this morning, on another one of my groups (MSN), from a member who I like, but who does not believe in God. She was all aflutter because she isn't "ready" for Christmas!!! She hasn't read all of the Christmas books to her kids, she hasn't done her Christmas baking, she hasn't bought the Christmas gifts, etc. If you don't believe in God or the birth of Jesus, why in the world do you do Christmas at all?? :confused: Give me a break!!!!

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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Whether people like it or not Christmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ. They should celebrate their own holidays or not as they choose and leave mine alone!!! If they want a holiday where they exchange gifts, they should pick a different date.

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Hon, this time of the season was originally about celebrating the winter solstice (Pagan tradition). Exchanging gifts, the tree, the log, carols, its ALL PAGAN. Religious scholars believe the JC was NOT born on Dec 25th but actually somewhere in April June timeframe.

I don't mean to sound rude but when you say what I quoted above, I say perhaps Christianity should have never taken away this time of year from the Pagans. Perhaps Christians should pick another date considering the Pagans have celebrated this time of year far longer than the celebration of Jesus Christ.

I'm sorry if I offended you but it irks me like crazy that many people do not know the REAL history behind this season.

I agree with everyone else with things becoming way TOO PC. I won't be offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" or any other religious blessing. I'll say it right back to them, or I'll just say "Happy Holidays". I find it rather pleasing that someone wants to wish me a happy around this time of year. Don't know why people want to be sooo offended in recent years.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Hannakuh and have a great Saturnalia! :)

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I just read a post, this morning, on another one of my groups (MSN), from a member who I like, but who does not believe in God. She was all aflutter because she isn't "ready" for Christmas!!! She hasn't read all of the Christmas books to her kids, she hasn't done her Christmas baking, she hasn't bought the Christmas gifts, etc. If you don't believe in God or the birth of Jesus, why in the world do you do Christmas at all?? Give me a break!!!!

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Just because SHE does not believe in god does NOT mean that she should automatically have nothing to do with the season! This is a season for friends, family, kids, giving, receiving, caring. Just because one does not believe in god does not mean that one cannot celebrate. Give me a break!

As for the person who said we've been celebrating this for 2,000 years, well PAGAN tradition has been around a LOT longer than that, and has celebrated their holiday on Dec 25th for far longer:

On December 25 (the date of the winter solstice) pagan Romans, still in the majority, celebrated Natalis Solis Invincti, "Birthday of the Invincible Sun God," Mithras. The Mithras cult originated in Persia and rooted itself in the Roman world in the first century BCE, but by the early 300s CE the rising religion of Christianity was posing a formidable challenge to the sun worshipers, especially after the Edict of Milan issued by the Roman emperor Constantine I in 313 CE allowed Christians to practice their faith in the Roman Empire.

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

Here's the mind blower.......If you do not clelebrate Chrstmas....Why DO YOU TAKE THE DAYS OFF?

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Because I can't get the Solstice off....it's too close to Xmas.

Edit: THANK YOU LUVIN LABS!!!

Perhaps christians should move their celebratory day away from the pagan celebration they were trying to cover up when they chose December 25th in the first place. Perhaps they should also ditch all of the pagan traditions of the holiday. (the decorated tree, wreaths, the YULE log, etc.) Either that, or let it go and let other people enjoy the season as well.

Really, why berate someone for wanting to give gifts, bake cookies, read stories to their children, and make merry just because they don't believe in your deity?

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Originally Posted by Luvin Labs

As for the person who said we've been celebrating this for 2,000 years, well PAGAN tradition has been around a LOT longer than that, and has celebrated their holiday on Dec 25th for far longer:

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Just out of curiousity - I thought the winter solstice is on the 21st, or is it a different holiday you mean? Or has it changed? Just curious :)

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Originally Posted by Luvin Labs

Hon, this time of the season was originally about celebrating the winter solstice (Pagan tradition). Exchanging gifts, the tree, the log, carols, its ALL PAGAN. Religious scholars believe the JC was NOT born on Dec 25th but actually somewhere in April June timeframe.

I don't mean to sound rude but when you say what I quoted above, I say perhaps Christianity should have never taken away this time of year from the Pagans. Perhaps Christians should pick another date considering the Pagans have celebrated this time of year far longer than the celebration of Jesus Christ.

I'm sorry if I offended you but it irks me like crazy that many people do not know the REAL history behind this season.

I agree with everyone else with things becoming way TOO PC. I won't be offended if someone says "Merry Xmas" or any other religious blessing. I'll say it right back to them, or I'll just say "Happy Holidays". I find it rather pleasing that someone wants to wish me a happy around this time of year. Don't know why people want to be sooo offended in recent years.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Happy Hannakuh and have a great Saturnalia! :)



Just because SHE does not believe in god does NOT mean that she should automatically have nothing to do with the season! This is a season for friends, family, kids, giving, receiving, caring. Just because one does not believe in god does not mean that one cannot celebrate. Give me a break!

As for the person who said we've been celebrating this for 2,000 years, well PAGAN tradition has been around a LOT longer than that, and has celebrated their holiday on Dec 25th for far longer:

On December 25 (the date of the winter solstice) pagan Romans, still in the majority, celebrated Natalis Solis Invincti, "Birthday of the Invincible Sun God," Mithras. The Mithras cult originated in Persia and rooted itself in the Roman world in the first century BCE, but by the early 300s CE the rising religion of Christianity was posing a formidable challenge to the sun worshipers, especially after the Edict of Milan issued by the Roman emperor Constantine I in 313 CE allowed Christians to practice their faith in the Roman Empire.

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Well, hon, you did not offend me. I've always known that Jesus was born in the spring around Passover BUT the 25th of December has always been the date that the early Christians chose (for reasons I have no way of knowing) to celebrate his birth.

The winter solstice is actually a few days earlier than the 25th.
Seems like the Pagans had first grabs at the time frame and did not choose the 25th. That date did not take off and become popular until Christianity ran with it. ;) You can't get mad at the Christians just because their holiday became more popular. :D

My only response to those who were talking about the Pagan holiday is why would someone who does not believe in God (in the Christian sort of way) call it Christmas???? Christmas is about CHRIST! She is not Pagan, she is just a non-believer. But if it is Christmas, it is not about the gifts, the books, the baking, anyway, it is about the love of Jesus Christ, whether it is celebrated in December, April, July, etc.

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Originally Posted by CathyBogart

Perhaps christians should move their celebratory day away from the pagan celebration they were trying to cover up when they chose December 25th in the first place. Perhaps they should also ditch all of the pagan traditions of the holiday. (the decorated tree, wreaths, the YULE log, etc.) Either that, or let it go and let other people enjoy the season as well.

Really, why berate someone for wanting to give gifts, bake cookies, read stories to their children, and make merry just because they don't believe in your diety?

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Actually, I think it had more to do with trying to survive at that time than celebrating a pagan holiday. It was deadly being a Christian around that time. Lots of them were fed to Roman lions or used as living human torches. If they had been left to celebrate when they really wanted too, they probably would have picked a date closer to the actually birthdate of Jesus.

As for the other pagan traditions; I can live without them. I usually don't even mess with putting up a tree. I will admit to sending Christmas cards though! ;)

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Originally Posted by CathyBogart

Because I can't get the Solstice off....it's too close to Xmas.

Edit: THANK YOU LUVIN LABS!!!

Perhaps christians should move their celebratory day away from the pagan celebration they were trying to cover up when they chose December 25th in the first place. Perhaps they should also ditch all of the pagan traditions of the holiday. (the decorated tree, wreaths, the YULE log, etc.) Either that, or let it go and let other people enjoy the season as well.

Really, why berate someone for wanting to give gifts, bake cookies, read stories to their children, and make merry just because they don't believe in your deity?

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EXACTLY! ***HUGS cathy***

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Well, hon, you did not offend me.

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thank you! I totally did not mean to do so if I did (you or anyone else), it just irks me like crazy with some of these comments that I hope I didn't come off too harsh!!! :) whew!

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You can't get mad at the Christians just because their holiday became more popular

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LOL :)

Christmas Trees are not JUST for christmas! They're a symbol of the winter holidays! Also, I hate when people call them "Kwanza(sp?)/Hanukka/Christmas Trees" or "Holiday Trees" because they aren't!Theyre christmas trees, always have been, always will be. No offense to anyone who celebrates anything else, but seriously. Next we're going to be changing Christmas carols to Christmahanukwanza carols! At my school someone got in trouble for singing Jingle Bells, saying it was something about religion. But, if you think about it, it NEVER says anyting about any holiday! :mad: Im not one fo the people boycotting the stores with "Happy Holidays" of whatever in their window, but I understand why they do it. You could just say,"Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukka, and Happy Kwanza!" 12 days until christmas and I still have yet to see a Christmas sign in a store window! If we aren't allowed to show our religion or whatever like that, how come there are still the Santa's in all the stores? I'm surprised they haven't banned it yet! Or the Christmas carols, in stores and on the radio! Don't they talk about christmas and Jesus?!?!?!?!?!

Well, thats done, so Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukka, and Happy Kwanza! (There, its not so hard is it?)

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Originally Posted by CountryWolf07

Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, hired a lawyer and threatened to sue if the Port of Seattle didn't add the menorah next to the trees, which had been festooned with red ribbons and bows.

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:rolleyes: oh, now that's really in the spirit of the season HoHoHo. This is the real reason the airport took down all the trees....because in America, if you don't like something, sue somebody.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, and Happy Solstice anyway. We have Christians, Jews, and Pagans in our family. ;)