Horrible experience @ pet store...

I am sorry, but I totally disagree about the debarking of a dog!!! That is just as cruel as de-clawing a cat cause it scratches your furniture!! There are ways to train your dog, to not bark on command, and to de-bark a dog and say it dosent know it, is just rediculous!! that si like saying a dog has no feelings!!! Of course he will know, he has ears dont he???? sounds like a cheap and easy way out if you ask me! Totally rediculous! All of our dogs, are taught the speak command, then taught the quiet comand! once you teach them to speak, it is ver easy to teach them to be quiet! I would never De-bark my dog, that is just cruel and inhumane! Would you put a diaper on a dog, cause it pees in the house? or would you rather potty train the dog? Everything can be fixed with the proper training!!!

The people that are bashing debarking.... do you know the facts about debarking? Do you know anyone that has had it done?

I don't think it is cruel.

Whenever teddy barks in the house it hurts his ears. So do you think he would prefer to have a quieter bark? or this one that makes him shake his head everytime he barks because it rings through the house (you would think he would get a clue but he doesn't)

i don't think anyone is suggesting it as the be all and end all of remedies but it doesn't hurt to know about it.

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Originally Posted by critter crazy

I am sorry, but I totally disagree about the debarking of a dog!!! That is just as cruel as de-clawing a cat cause it scratches your furniture!! There are ways to train your dog, to not bark on command, and to de-bark a dog and say it dosent know it, is just rediculous!! that si like saying a dog has no feelings!!! Of course he will know, he has ears dont he???? sounds like a cheap and easy way out if you ask me! Totally rediculous! All of our dogs, are taught the speak command, then taught the quiet comand! once you teach them to speak, it is ver easy to teach them to be quiet! I would never De-bark my dog, that is just cruel and inhumane! Would you put a diaper on a dog, cause it pees in the house? or would you rather potty train the dog? Everything can be fixed with the proper training!!!

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I'm curious how many de barked dogs you have lived around?

No, everything can NOT be fixed with proper training. Some breed bark a lot. Ask the owners of Shelties, Dachshunds, Samoyeds, Siberians, Collies, Poodles, Papillons, etc about barking.

I stated it is my PERSONAL OPINION. I do not appreciate your insinuation that I am stupid, cruel or insensitive. I am none of those. I have likely been showing and training dogs longer than you have been alive.

Now, I kindly asked that those who disagree with debarking refrain from flaming and making things personal, but I've been around on these bulletin board places for quite some time, and if you want to pick a fight with me, you can get one.

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I would report that nut head! Geesh I can just feel your flaming madness! :mad: I totally agree with Maltese_Love.
Stupid woman :rolleyes: :mad:

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Originally Posted by RedyreRotties

I'm curious how many de barked dogs you have lived around?

No, everything can NOT be fixed with proper training. Some breed bark a lot. Ask the owners of Shelties, Dachshunds, Samoyeds, Siberians, Collies, Poodles, Papillons, etc about barking.

I stated it is my PERSONAL OPINION. I do not appreciate your insinuation that I am stupid, cruel or insensitive. I am none of those. I have likely been showing and training dogs longer than you have been alive.

Now, I kindly asked that those who disagree with debarking refrain from flaming and making things personal, but I've been around on these bulletin board places for quite some time, and if you want to pick a fight with me, you can get one.

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Lets see the words "I disagree" are My Opinion, which I am allowed to Post! This is a free contry! I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours! I never once called you stupid, i just dissagree with the whole thing! end of Story!!

And as far as you training longer than i have been alive, probably true, but it dosent make you right! It just means that you do things your way and i do things my way!

I am done posting on this thread!!

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Originally Posted by Brody's Mum

Do people really do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My two do bark a lot but its down to me to let them know when they can or can't woof

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I thought de-barking was a medeval sorta thing. I didn't know it was still done. I thought the SPCA would have banned it. ( if I had the power, I would. )

JMO- as usual

Firstly I wanted to say thanks for all your support but I also wanted to say that my intentions on this post were NOT to cause or start an argument. I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinions but I don't agree with bashing each other for those opinions. I have been given a lot of help through this post and for that I thank ALL of you, it has only been a few days but already I can see the difference. I understand some may think that by him barking to say he wants to play or wants to go potty may be giving him mixed signals but I also feel that there is a difference between his demand barking and his I gotta pee bark. I don't keep him on a potty schedule, if he has to go he has to go and I am glad he can tell me when he does. But there is a big difference, as I said before, between the barks. I know some will disagree with me but you also have to remember it's going to take time. The funny thing is, now he knows demand barking isn't getting him anywhere so he doesn't really bark about anything. When he does start demand barking I tell him "NO" sternly and if it doesn't work I put him in his crate. If I have to crate him 50 times a day I will because it's working. Patience is the key and being a nanny I have a lot....thankfully :) Thanks again for all your wonderful insight and useful tips...

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Originally Posted by RedyreRotties

Personally, if I had a dog with whom barking was such an issue, I would have the dog surgically debarked and forget about it. Then the dog can bark all it wants without really bothering anyone. It certainly does not bother the DOG. They whisper bark away without a care in the world. They just dn't annoy people any more.

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Originally Posted by RedyreRotties

I view debarking the same way I do removal of dew claws, spay/neuter, tail docking, ear cropping, etc etc etc. To me, it gives the dog the freedom to bark joyfully whenever he wishes, without annoyance to the humans around him.

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I can't believe you are being serious about this. :rolleyes: Someone just
comes from out of the blue & says they are a dog trainer & what they say
is true. Who the heck are you anyway?

I don't know any legitimate Dog Trainer who has the time to fritter away
their hours posting on a Pet site.

As I am the one that began this thread I have tried very hard to ignore everyones bashing...it's getting very hard when people keep beating a dead horse (so to speak)...we all understand Red has her beliefs and reasons but that doesn't make her less of a person. Us PTers need to respect other peoples opinions-not ridicule for them, because all in all it isn't our place to pass the judgement.

I looked up The Husher's website and it permits panting, drinking, eating. So I think it just makes it hard for them to bark, they will have to work more at it, and then they will just not want to do it anymore. It looks humane to me and I don't think that woman should have said anything to you.

http://www.husher.com/main.html

I think if people want to debate a controversial issue a different thread should be started about it in the Doghouse. Since Bronx'sBower is not interested in debarking the debate is really not relevant in this thread and I too think it's a shame people have to get so personal and insulting.

Bronx'sBower, glad to hear that the barking problem is improving. It sounds like you're taking the right steps. The moral of this whole thing seems to be people can be kinder and more polite with their opinions rather than bashing and offensive such as this checkout lady did at the pet store. It makes a person feel defensive and like they are being judged personally. I have no doubt that every single person who has posted here loves their dogs and would never want to do something they felt was cruel.

Thanks K9Soul-I dont think I could have said it better....

Also thanks to the previous writer for looking up "The Husher"....the only muzzle I would ever consider is this one as it does allow panting, drinking and eating. The only thing it does is weaken the muscles in the mouth so they don't want to bark as much...In a way however I am glad the clerk made me so angry that I didn't buy the muzzle-Bower really is doing much better but again as I have said it's going to take time....time and patience are a virtue :) Have a great weekend all you wonderful PTer's!!!

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Originally Posted by RedyreRotties

but I've been around on these bulletin board places for quite some time, and if you want to pick a fight with me, you can get one.

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I have been following this thread just watching how it's been going, and RedyreRotties, I did have some respect for your opinion and input on de-barking, even though I don't agree with it myself. However, that last statement, as was the smiley, was very unnecessary and does nothing for your credibility. Whether you show dogs or not does not make you superknowledgable or right in every case.

Just my input, I had a neighbour with a barking dog. She used the ignoration/spraying water technique and within a fortnight things were much better. :)