New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

Hehe, Joh, I shall give you a big hug when we see eachother in May. ;)

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Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

i was breeding dogs and kittens longer than most in here have been alive i do not need to be told :rolleyes:

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I'm sorry... is that something you're supposed to be proud of or makes you superior than those younger than you? Nope!

Accidents happen.

Can't wait for pics. :)

I agree that this is very irresponsible...both females pregnant and males are not neutered, there is just no excuse sorry.

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Originally Posted by Kfamr

I'm sorry... is that something you're supposed to be proud of or makes you superior than those younger than you? Nope!

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That's exactly right, just because you have bred animals before doesn't necessarily make you a responsible breeder........

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Originally Posted by JenBKR

That's exactly right, just because you have bred animals before doesn't necessarily make you a responsible breeder........

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Have to agree there. Have your pets you've bred been top quality? Have you bred to better whatever breed? If not then you would be a backyard breeder :(.

I am proud to say I am 45 and have never had a pregnant animal/pet. I am extremely proud of myself for this.

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Originally Posted by Roxyluvsme13

Accidents happen.

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Yes they do, but they don't have to happen and this happened only because of irresponsibility. IMO, if we are going to own pets it is our responsibility to have them fixed unless they are show animals, the breeding stock of responsible breeders, or have a health condition prohibiting being under anesthesia for spaying, etc. Otherwise, it is just irresponsbility nothing more and it saddens me to think of SO many animals each day living in cages at the shelters only to be put to sleep unloved and unhomed, because of irresponsibility. I haven't said anything up to now, have been tempted, but I feel badly none the less that the ideas of many that accidents happen but they CAN be prevented and so many wouldn't have to die. It's not the relatively few animals responsible breeders put out that causes the problems, it's the irresponsible owners who don't do the right thing to insure OOPS litters aren't born. Not picking on you Breanna, just used your statement as a base for what I wanted to say.

wow!!! that so cool you have been breeding longer then I have been alive!!!! WOOOHOO!!!

HAve you even volunteered at a shelter and see all of the kittens being dumped? Have you ever seen a adult cat look up at you in the cage, because their are so may kittens and he doesn't have much of a chance of being adopted? Have you ever just sat and balled your eyes out because you have witnesed beautiful kittens being put to sleep because of opps litter? Have you ever even walked threw a shelter in may?

AND.. your comment to the puppy breeding thing!! T.j came from a responsible breeder and Zoey came from a not responsible breeder. Of corse I was too yuong to understand the breeding concept. ALL OF MY CATS WE HAVE EVERY HAD CAME FROM UNDER A HOUSE OR IN A BOX ON THE SIDE OF A DITCH (another opps litter)!!!! :mad:

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Originally Posted by BC_MoM

Think logically. We can hope we can change it, but to change the WHOLE world is not logical.

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It's those thoughts that prevent the world from being changed. It starts somewhere and if it didn't then you wouldn't be able to vote, African Americans would have their own schools, restaurants, drinking fountains etc. Change starts small, but it does start. I'm sorry you are so pessimistic. I really feel sorry for people like you. I'm not ripping on you, I really feel bad. You must lead a dark life.

Congrats on the puppy and kitties! As others have said good for you foe getting them spayed ASAP. :)

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Originally Posted by Vela

Yes they do, but they don't have to happen and this happened only because of irresponsibility. IMO, if we are going to own pets it is our responsibility to have them fixed unless they are show animals, the breeding stock of responsible breeders, or have a health condition prohibiting being under anesthesia for spaying, etc. Otherwise, it is just irresponsbility nothing more and it saddens me to think of SO many animals each day living in cages at the shelters only to be put to sleep unloved and unhomed, because of irresponsibility. I haven't said anything up to now, have been tempted, but I feel badly none the less that the ideas of many that accidents happen but they CAN be prevented and so many wouldn't have to die. It's not the relatively few animals responsible breeders put out that causes the problems, it's the irresponsible owners who don't do the right thing to insure OOPS litters aren't born. Not picking on you Breanna, just used your statement as a base for what I wanted to say.

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I take back my accidents happen after I read the whole thread again.
Roxy, beautiful, lovable, Roxy was one of those oops litters who ended up at the shelter, and then she was going to be put to sleep that day if we hadn't adopted her. Have you looked at all those beautiful cats sitting in shelters, that you know wont get homes, just because everyone wants a kitten?

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Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

Ok now im being told that im taking homes away! That is really pathetic on your part...How do you think your cats and dogs are born?Do we need to go back to kindergarden and be taught that if you cant say anything nice not to say anything at all?

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I'm sorry I commented on this thread before reading the whole thing.

Here's some "kindergarten" math for you. 10 homes want kittens. You "breed" 10 kittens. Your kittens find homes. 10-10=0 ZERO! Zero is the # of kittens adopted from the shelter, which means 10 more get euthanized. :mad:

To be honest I'm glad you have been breeding longer than I've been alive and the younger people see that it's wrong. They can stop the chain that you are a strong link in.

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Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

I knew she was pregnant,just did not know when she would be giving birth,she is an outside cat and got out one time and here we are with babies!!!

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I know your situation, my Oreo is pregnant, too. BUT, people are trying to educate you and you're taking it the wrong way. I also agree with most people on here, I am trying to educate my dad about it so we can get the kittens and Oreo spayed and nuetered. Try and understand where they're coming from, and if you can't? Just respect their opinion, you don't need to be devensive about it. I think enough has been said here and I won't add much more to it. It's your choice to take our advice or not. Good Luck with the mother and kittens.

I'm excited for you and your new dog!! We need pics ;)

There is a nice little video in the Doghouse that might be of interest. But it only helps if people give a crap. ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE, and now their deaths are NOT. I'm not going to feel badly for thinking it's wrong. In my opinion it is wrong and completely irresponsible not to spay or neuter your pets. There is no good justification, period. And becuse of it, they suffer and die being unloved and alone! Accidnet don't HAVE to happen, if people would do the right thing for their animals. There are ever free or low cost spaying places, so even not having the money is no excuse at all. Sorry just makes me mad to see those who contribute to the problem not even care.

I believe people who go to BYB or run to look at oops puppies and kittens would go to a shelter if there were no oops litters to look for. Now if someone wants to show or do something specific they'd then go to a reputable breeder (hopefully), but that is different. They have a specific thing in mind they want to do with that breed of dog, where-as the people who just adopt an oops puppy or kitten from their neighbor or from a box in front of Wal-Mart, if none of those were available then they might go to the shelter and help save some pups or kittens who otherwise would be PTS.

I'm glad to hear the kitties will be fixed soon, and that the kittens have homes lined up. I do hope the kittens are also fixed so that there aren't anymore oops litters.

Edit: Just watched the video from DH (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=103570) God that is painful. But well done.

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Originally Posted by Vela

There is a nice little video in the Doghouse that might be of interest. But it only helps if people give a crap. ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE, and now their deaths are NOT. I'm not going to feel badly for thinking it's wrong. In my opinion it is wrong and completely irresponsible not to spay or neuter your pets. There is no good justification, period. And becuse of it, they suffer and die being unloved and alone! Accidnet don't HAVE to happen, if people would do the right thing for their animals. There are ever free or low cost spaying places, so even not having the money is no excuse at all. Sorry just makes me mad to see those who contribute to the problem not even care.

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So how were your dogs brought into this world?