I agree. Dogs simply do not think the way we do, and they don't think about 'getting back' at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
I would recommend seeing a vet, also. Good luck!
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I agree. Dogs simply do not think the way we do, and they don't think about 'getting back' at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
I would recommend seeing a vet, also. Good luck!
Well, I took her in to see her vet yesterday.
She can't find anything physically wrong with her. :confused:
She thinks that it's a jealousy issue also. I'm moving upstairs into my daughters bedroom, and then she'll be moving downstairs. So we'll see if that ends her bad behavior.
Jessica, you gave AWESOME advice :) thanks for that! I really agree with everything you had to say, and you definitely put a lot of time into helping Lori out.
Lori Jordan, I must admit I'm confused by what you've said... personally, I go to positive reinforcement training ONLY. My BC had a bit of a destructive streak when he was younger, and even though it's tempting, scolding them for that is almost always useless and just alienates your pup. He would tear up whatever when he was left alone, and we discovered that was because he was understimulated and had slight seperation anxiety. Now, we always exercise him thoroughly before leaving, give him stimulating toys (like stuffed Kongs and Buster Cubes) to work on, and we worked through the SA. If I scold my BC for anything he completely shuts down, so for me I use nothing but rewards, basically. I used to have a trainer, when he was young, who recommended prong collars and fine choke chains to use on him during Flyball training... and all he would end up doing is jerking so hard on the choker that he yelped loudly in pain. NOW, he will be wearing a harness and off-leash, and he'll be focused on me while dogs race right behind him, and that isn't due to negative reinforcement or yelling, it's due to teaching him "watch" - with or without a treat or toy lure. I really don't want my dogs to listen to me and focus on me based on fear of what might happen if he disobeys, our bond has gotten SO much closer since he instead is focused on the praise and fun he gets when he does what I want from him.
Border Collies, especially, tend to really thrive off of pleasing their owner, so once you do show them what IS right and you take care of THEIR needs, they are very happy well-adjusted dogs. Gonzo has full run of the house when we're gone, and a few times my Mom has forgotten to take out the garbage and left it sitting in the kitchen. It's always untouched when we get back because he knows what is GOOD to do when he's alone. I guess everyone finds what works for them, but I honestly never use treats during Flyball, only praise and tug rewards when he does good. And he is so much more focused and obedient than the owners who scream/scold at their dogs and use chokers/haltis/etc to control them.
Hopefully you read this...but my dog did the exact same thing. He was trained to go out and asked when he had to go, but then all of a sudden he started going to the bathroom inside. As well as zoe, he peed on my brother's bed and my parent's bed, and all over the house, including the stairs which was a hassel to clean. I'm pretty sure he was doing this for attention and that may be very well what your zoe is doing too, so I encourage you to check that out. I solved this problem by pretty much ignoring him. I keep him in the kitchen so what I did was put him down there and left him alone there for a while well we were all up stairs. I think he learned that when he did that he wasn't getting attention. *Remember that dogs also do things to get negative attention so sometimes the yelling doesn't work, we tried yelling "no" and so on, and my dog just continued going to the bathroom in the house. You can also try making zoe sit in a corner and stay there for a couple minutes. Hope this helps :)
That is just the thing,We all have different things on training our dogs!I believe that treats should be given when the dog has done something right,But not when they have done something wrong like Messing on the bed!Just the other day me and my trainer had difference of opinion,My Newf takes off if you go to go out the door she will rush you and get out and be gone for half an hour my trainer says to me give her a treat when she does come home,and there is no way i would do that.
She did something wrong im not going to praise her for it.I do not yell or hit my dogs but when she came in i put her in her crate and that is punishment in itself because she hates her crate.
Given she is a year old they tend to still be like a child,they want what they want and that is it.
As for my Border Collie i have never had any problems of her acting out other than the time she wet the bed she was 8 weeks old,it could have been numerous reasons on why she did what she did.but it only happend once,Some people say rubbing there nose in there mess,Some people might use that ,but i would never do that i think if i was a dog in that position i would not like that very much and it really puts more work on you ,Youd have to turn around and bathe the dog right after.
I'm not saying i know it all on dogs but i have had many in my time,and i know what works for me just like the rest.And some things im still learning!
All of us are different in every way and when there is post like this you are going to hear different things,
I'm not going to go into my thoughts on all of this as I've already posted my advice on using positive methods, but I want to clarify that I never said treat the dog after she pees on the bed, I said treat her for coming to you when called off the bed. Try to catch her as she jumps on the bed, call her off, and then treat her for getting off and coming when called. It's called behavior shaping. You'd think a dog might decide "hey, I can get a treat if I jump on the bed and make her call me" but that isn't how it works. It actually conditions the dog to break the habit of jumping up there if done consistently. There are tons of books on positive training methods and using only positive methods even to curb problem behaviors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lori Jordan
Ignoring is one of the best things you can do with a negative behavior. If a dog does a negative behavior for attention and you scold him/her, you are still giving attention even if it's negative. "Ignore the bad, reward the good" method has worked wonders in training my two and in changing undesirable behavior :).
edited to add: Also I should clarify too that when I say "treat" I mean reward. Both my dogs are food motivated and Tommy is very toy motivated, so I keep a couple toys that Tommy gets ONLY as reward toys, it's the only time he gets to play with them is when he is being rewarded for something, so to him they are extra special. The treats I use for reward are also only used as reward and never regularly given treats. It has to be special. A reward can be anything from a morsel of cheese to scratching in a favorite spot to receiving a favorite toy, but in all cases they are proven to work very well in training and modifying behavior. Most working dogs such as drug sniffing dogs, search and rescue, etc, have some special reward they are working for.
:D Good advice K9soul! Good luck to you and Zoe!
Also, I believe in postive training. If the dog gets off the bed and comes to you then giving he/she a treat is a good thing. They got a positive thing out of coming off the bed.
Nicely explained and I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by K9soul
Off The Bed,On the Floor
If you want to get your dog off your bed,there are several steps you can take, A compromise is to put her bed on the floor of your room.She will be able to to smell you and hear your breathing,and will enjoy sharing your general space even if she can't share the bed itself.
For extra emotional comfort,put one of your old blankets or an old garment that you've worn in her bedding.Your scent will make her feel secure when she sleeps.
this was a little article i foundQuote:
Originally Posted by Lori Jordan
Okay, from the viewpoint of an owner who literally has been there and done it all, just block off access to the danger zones! Giselle used to have a NASTY habit of urinating on beds. She would deliberately climb onto our beds to urinate when she felt the urge. She urinated on her *own* bed several times. It was odd because she didn't urinate on the carpeted or hardwood floor.
I personally speculate that it is not a psychological problem. It is the simple tendency for dogs to urinate in soft spots because, in the wild, the soft spots would absorb the urine most efficiently. However, because our house is primarily hardwood with some isolated carpeted areas, there are no soft spots for the dog to urinate on besides the bed. Originally, she urinated on her own bed, so we replaced it with a smaller, more compact bed with a lip so that she physically could not pee on it. Because we eliminated one soft spot, she began resorting to peeing on our beds. I can't take away her instinct so I did the next best thing: I simply blocked off access to our beds.
It's more of a potty training issue than anything. Honestly, go back to the basics. When you see her sniffing around, open the door and let her out.
Just close the door to your bedrooms and open the door to your backyard. It's as simple as that :)