evolution is bogus

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Originally posted by KYS
Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty: Back to the point of the use of the word "Racism"versus "Bigotry" or "Prejudice." I would, myself, have no qualms in using the word "Racism" in describing anti-semitism as Jewish people were, as Semetic peoples, racially distinct from other Caucasians before the Holocaust. This ancestry has been diluted somewhat since, but it still remains and many Jews bear the unique phsyical characteristics associated with that race.
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I am a bit confused by this meaning?

Being Jewish is a religion and not a race: Check your
main stream History books and Encyclopedia.
The first Christians were Jewish.

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I have checked many history books on this matter, and other historical matters, having studied university history whilst still in high school and having a continued interest in this (and other) historical subjects. I didn't continue on as there are approximately zero jobs for arts graduates in this country.

Up until very recent times, the Jewish people remained a distinct race as persecution was very successful in preventing them from mixing with other races. The idea of segregation, or "Ghettoes," was not unique to Nazi Germany. It is a practice that is centuries old. The Nazis, in particular, persecuted the Jews on a basis of their racial difference to the Aryans - the idea that, as jews, they were a "sub-human" people.

Even today, it is acknowledged that Jews still have unique characteristic. One example is their intelligence - a characteristic for which they were often persecuted, as they were seen as "cunning" rather than simply shrewd.

I recently saw a Discovery program about a researcher who was DNA mapping humans from all over the world. I can’t remember the name of the program, I think it was “The Journey of Man”. He was trying to find out when ancient man migrated from Africa, and which routes they took and when.
Apparently there were two main migrations, one about 40000 years ago, and another much later, possibly 20000 to 15000 years ago. It seems that the ancestors of the present population of Europe didn’t come straight up from Africa, but moved first into central Asia and China before moving on to Europe later. He found a man in the middle of Asia whose DNA could be traced back 2000 generations, that’s to say about 40000 years. Some family tree he must have!
He concluded the program by stating that since we all originate from the same original people, we are, of course, in actual fact all the same race. We have just evolved differently. So the whole idea of racism is nonsense.

I’m no expert on this subject, but do feel that it gives food for thought.

(he he, I managed to get the words “racism” and “evolved” in the same post!) :D

i am sorry.. i got out of line, but its the way i said it that i am sorry about not what i said

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Originally posted by jonza

(he he, I managed to get the words “racism” and “evolved” in the same post!) :D

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Very impressive!;) :D

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Originally posted by popcornbird
I always thought of most Jews as being part of the same race. From what I know (correct me if I'm wrong) non-Jews cannot convert to Judhism because Jews are supposedly the *chosen* people, and people outside of them can't covert to the religion, which is why the Jewish population is SO tiny especially comparing to other monotheist religions (Islam and Christianity) both of which welcome new converts because they believe that God's guidance is for all of mankind. This is what I've heard all my life so I'm unsure of this. I know there are American/European Jews, but I believe they all originate (from thousands of years)from the same *race* which is from Israel. I always heard that today's Jews are from the generations of the followers of Prophet Moses, so the same people/same race, just going down in generations and spread out. :confused: Again, I'm not sure of this but this is what I've always heard. I'll look for resources later.

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I'm not Jewish, but I think that non-Jews CAN convert to Judaism, it's just not always looked highly upon. Correct me if I'm wrong, that's just what I've heard.

I would think that Jews could definatly convert into whatever they want, I mean it's not a law, it's a choice and they are allowed to be whatever they want :confused:

This thread has totally turned itself around lol

I don't know much about races and stuff, but I know quite alot about the haullocaust, and the Nazis attacks on Jewish people (read The Cage by Ruth Minsky, it's very educational, while interesting, and a true story). I've also seen real footage of it, and after that, nothing is bad. If you were to look upon those people and see how thin they were :eek: They were all skin and bones :eek:

I also read in some big book that every songle person on this earth had to at some point descended from atleast one black woman. I thought that was very interesting :D I also think that most of us probably carry other races, and we don't even know it, and that our ancestors have different religions that we never knew about. :)

Sorry if I got off-topic, this thread is getting rather confusing, and I'm pretty sure that I'm talking about what everyone else is now lol...

I am pretty sure people can convert and be a "Jew" in the religious sense, but I don't think they will actually be Jew as in the Jews and the Gentiles.

Back to evolution. You keep telling me to prove that God created the earth, sun, the moon, etc. And you also kep telling me I am stubborn and wont listen to other peoples thoughts. You havent tried to prove to me how evolution is/was exsistent.

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Back to evolution. You keep telling me to prove that God created the earth, sun, the moon, etc. And you also kep telling me I am stubborn and wont listen to other peoples thoughts. You havent tried to prove to me how evolution is/was exsistent.

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We are doing the exact oppisite! Everyone is saying to you that you can't prove anything, not a single person asked you to give us proof that God created the Earth, because there is no proof, and everyone here is smart enought to know that. There is only evidence to everything, no proof, that is why no one is trying to give you proof of evolution. They have given you the evidence, there is no proof to give, what more do you want?

I respect your opinion, but I still can't see it as proof. If it was proof, scientists wouldn't be searching for an answer, other people wouldn't be searching, everyone would know what is real, because proof splits apart the unknown and the known reality.

I can only see it as evidence, because no one can truly know..

The Bible and science contradict eachother in many ways. Where science says there is proof, there may only be evidence, where the Bible says there is proof, there may only be evidence. It's hard to know anything about anything that happened so long ago. I truly hope that one day people can know what the truth really is.

Well, everyone will know the truth and have their proof when they die. I guess we'll have to wait and see and I for one am not in a big hurry to find out.

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Wasn't talking about the Bible. :) Even faithful scientist enjoy studying. Science really shows what amazing things God has created and how He runs them with gravity, atoms, oxygen, hydrogen, all that stuff, how He keeps the planets in orbit, etc. etc. Its all amazing and no one but God could do such great things. Science does NOT contradict religion and there's nothing wrong with learning science and figuring out how everything works in religion. Only certain issues in evolution contradict religion, but nothing else.

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Ah, I get it now :D

the Bible has been around for quite a while...right? Right. so....the Bibles says that the planets revovle around the sun. Ohh...then, thousands of years later...scientists come out with an astionishing conclusion....can u guess what it is.....the planets revovle around the sun....I guess we wont have to wait till we die after all.........

also....interestingly enough....archaeology can prove the old AND New testaments of the Bible are true....

I can give u examples if you must have some

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Originally posted by lotrfreak
the Bible has been around for quite a while...right? Right. so....the Bibles says that the planets revovle around the sun. Ohh...then, thousands of years later...scientists come out with an astionishing conclusion....can u guess what it is.....the planets revovle around the sun....I guess we wont have to wait till we die after all.........

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as a practicing member of the 'flat earth society'
i know the earth is flat...

have you ever seen a round map????

a globe is not a map....it's just a plot to make us think the world is round;)