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I guess that invalidates my whole arguement.Quote:
Originally posted by 2kitties
It's P Diddy now, not Puff Daddy. Get with the program Richard.:rolleyes: :p
I am sorry I wasted your time.....
*P Diddy???? What IS on his birth certificate??*:confused:
I"m not sure how this really fits into this thread, but this is one of the most patriotic statements I've ever heard about my country. When faced with bitterness from other countries and an outcry of hatred toward us, I think this is a nice thought.
Following is a quote from a forum featuring Colin Powell to young people in the UK and USA.
QUESTION: I'm wondering, when I talk to my friends about the U.S., we think about how do you feel about representing a country commonly perceived as the Satan of contemporary politics?
SECRETARY POWELL: Seen as what?
QUESTION: As the Satan of contemporary politics.
SECRETARY POWELL: Satan? Oh. Well, I reject the characterization. Quite the contrary. I think the American people, the United States of America, presents a value system to the rest of the world that is based on democracy, based on economic freedom, based on the individual rights of men and women. That is what has fueled this country of ours for the last 225 years.
I think that's what makes us such as draw for nations around the world. People come to the United States. They come to be educated. They come to become Americans. We are a country of countries, and we touch every country, and every country in the world touches us.
So, far from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.
And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say" "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead And that is the kind of nation we are. So, far from being the Satan, I think we are the protector of a universal value system that more and more people are recognizing as the correct value system: democracy, economic freedom, the individual rights of men and women to pursue their own destiny. That's what we stand for, and that's what we try to help other countries achieve as well
This reminds me, when my daughter and her best friend were in 9th grade they came home from school and told her friends mother they had decided to join the Thespian Club. Friends mother wentQuote:
"...... OUR THESPIANS..."
ewwwwwwwwww That's disgusting :eek: :rolleyes: needless to say we still joke about that whenever we all get together. Come on folks... this was supposed to be a light thread after all :)
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Originally posted by 2kitties
I"m not sure how this really fits into this thread, but this is one of the most patriotic statements I've ever heard about my country.
Well, THAT'S nice....
Here I am trying to get people warmed up to the fact that we aren't really the blowhards the world THINKS we are and YOU go ahead and post an article
like that....
Why didn't you just throw in the fact that we have done more in 225 years than most of the world has done in thousands???? ;)
Laurie,
I like to watch two thespians together....I'm not into soliloquy.
It's a nice thought but it ain't gonna solve our problems.
I think the reason we are viewed so poorly is far more complicated than that. But I guess we can keep on going the route we're going and keep opening ourselves to more hatred and terrorism.
It kinds of reminds me of a pretty, snotty girl not understanding why others dislike her. Everytime she gets criticized she just blows it off as jealousy on everyone else's part.
Sometimes it is jealousy.Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
It kinds of reminds me of a pretty, snotty girl not understanding why others dislike her. Everytime she gets criticized she just blows it off as jealousy on everyone else's part.
In the very same forum that I quoted earlier, another student from Afganistan asked Powell why the US had done nothing to help the pright of Afgans prior to Sept. 11. He replied that we'd been active in aid.
But, my point would've been to tell people to stop talking out both sides of their mouths. We get crucified when we go in and create a presence, but if we don't, they complain just the same.
"The US should mind their own business and stop policing the world" or "Why hasn't the US been here to help us when we're hungry or oppressed."
Geez, make up your mind!
Well, oddly enough, "the rest of the world" does not speak with one voice. Different countries have different beefs with the U.S.
What SHOULD make Americans sit up and take notice is that anti-Americanism is growing in English speaking countries like the U.K., Australia, NZ and Canada. Surely, this is a clear warning sign.
But whatever. Keep on trucking and chalking it up to jealousy.
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Originally posted by Soledad
It kinds of reminds me of a pretty, snotty girl not understanding why others dislike her. Everytime she gets criticized she just blows it off as jealousy on everyone else's part.
True,
Good girls go to heaven,
Pretty, snotty girls go EVERYWHERE!!!
People happen to rely on THEIR governments to make them feel good..
I'd be kinda pissed off when I see pictures of American culture (paved roads, electricity, hospitals, food and culture)while I am living in a mud shack and the government is in NO POSITION to help me out.
The rest of the voices you hear are from the folks who mistakenly think out invasion is all about
taking the world over....
We have them eating Quarter Pounders already, watching our films and listening to our music...
I really hate world conquest....it takes so much time out of our recreational schedule.
HERE'S my question....
Where were all the 'Feed this, International That
Rescue What? organizations' while Saddam, Idi, Pol, Fidel and Osama were jerking the people around.
Watch the beginning of BLACKHAWK DOWN and you'll see the stupidity of man.....
One set is stealing the food meant for the poor.
The other is trying to protect the food distributions and is worried about firing back because they are NOT BEING fired upon.
It's too bad other people have that anti-american
sentiment.....
Foreign folks should stop buying our Nikes, Levis -enslaving their people when our big businesses come knocking on their doors for cheap labor- and protest when we put a MacDonald's on every corner.
Oh wait a second, IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE, it's their
politicians that take the money that allows us to infiltrate their lands....
Somehow the big word V O T E keeps popping into my head.Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
Well, oddly enough, "the rest of the world" does not speak with one voice. Different countries have different beefs with the U.S.
What SHOULD make Americans sit up and take notice is that anti-Americanism is growing in English speaking countries like the U.K., Australia, NZ and Canada. Surely, this is a clear warning sign.
But whatever. Keep on trucking and chalking it up to jealousy.
I don't recall using the quoted term "rest of the world".
Well, I can remove my quotation marks if that makes you feel better. Doesn't have any bearing on the argument though.:rolleyes:
Who is "they" if not the rest of the world??? It's always easy to cop out of a debate by focusing on irrelevant details, but try and take the higher road...
I have a novel idea.....how about we stop being crappy in a thread that was meant to be humorous? Drop it already or start another thread. I'm sorry, I have had a bad day and thought I would be reading humor on this thread which is why I picked it. Oh well, I'll just shut up and go away now..........
mugsy - go to "what songs do you sing to your pets" in General.
It will turn your frown upside down.:( :)
hokay,
did you hear that Ahrnold will proclaim the new state car of CA the Hummer?
Bill Clinton is moving west........
Now THAT made me laugh!! Thanks.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
hokay,
did you hear that Ahrnold will proclaim the new state car of CA the Hummer?
Bill Clinton is moving west........
I will try that cat...