Some Dick Cheney jokes..

I have yet to see any non-partisan proof of the justification for the war. I have yet to see any non-partisan proof of truth having been told about WMD, any non-partisan justification for the outing of covert agents. I have yet to see any non-partisan justification for electronic spying (like George Washington did.... ;) ) on American citizens without warrants. I have yet to see this administration do anything non-partisan.

Mr. Cheney's personal conduct in this situation has not been honorable. I thought in the last administration it was establish that personal conduct of politicians is fair game. Or is that partisan as well? :)

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

That was a joke...

An accident is an accident.

Do I think that the press was stonewalled?

Who cares? As long as I didn't pull the trigger and no one was killed, so what?

I pray for the poor guy and think Cheney may want to take up bocce or skittles.....I was going to suggest darts but then again.... :eek:

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My response was a joke too....

Sorry my blood is boiling over this blame the victim attitude.

Who cares? Geez...I assume the same people who cared about who Bill Clinton had sex with.... :D :p :D

But an accident is NOT an accident. Too many years of worker comp experience for me to let you slide by with that one. MAYBE...getting struck by lightening is an accident. Carelessness, inattention, overconfidence....lots of reason...but accidents don't JUST HAPPEN....

Non partisan proof of WMD in Iraq:


Jane's Defense weekly (Sort of a privately owned intel agency), various articles from the mid 80's to present.

European Intelligence services, in a constant chorus throughout the '90s

Valerie Plame outed herself to her neighbors. (if you're a covert op, your neighbors don't know you work for the CIA)

Electronic spying without a warrant? Yeah, I'm REALLY upset with JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton (Echelon ring a bell?), and the current admin for that, but I've yet to see a non partisan legal opinion on whether listening in on calls originating outside the US is covered. Besides, if the administration thought what they were doing was illegal, all they had to do was ask another country to share the intel with us (after pointing them in the right direction, after all ELINT and decryption has been a British game for years)

I thought President Clinton's conduct in his personal life was abysmal, but it didn't rise to the level of impeachment. Perjury barely did, given the case involved, but there were things he did that had nothing to do with his personal life that DID rise to the level of impeachment. (Look up China's launch success rate prior to 1992 and after the LORAL tech sale was approved, and find an estimate of their missile CEP (circular error probability) prior to and in the years after that "civilian" tech transfer) Prior to the transfer the high end of their CEP was 3KM, now the high end is 500m. In other words, they used to be able to hit California, now they can hit the Chinese Theater. Prior to the tech transfer, they couldn't get a missile off the ground more than 50% of the time. Now their systems are fairly reliable.

Kinda impeachment obsessed aren't you?

Can you really...with a straight face....call Jane Defense Weekly non-partisan???? Or are you counting on me being too stupid to know what it is????

And I get my news from the very non-partisan The Daily Show..... :D :D :D

JDW is very non partisan, they call a spade a spade. It is extremely well thought of by the MI world, and hated as well. Janes annual reviews are in the libraries of every Joint Staff that can acquire them. They essentially "outed" the F-117 program,(resulting in a USAF Major having a revoked clearance and wings removed) and have acted as a commercial intel agency for decades, living off the sales of their intel.

I like Jon Stewart, he's an on air version of Berk Breathed.

Let's agree that you and I have a very different definition of "non-partisan."

But to get back on topic...so...if I...or you....or your child....or my dog....walk up behind a hunter...while wearing a bright orange vest...and the hunter shots us....it is OUR fault. Because we don't say..."hey, please don't shot your gun until you know I am back in the line! or at least know where I am!"

Got it...note to self...stay out of the woods....

If you or I had been the shooter, what would have happened?

Lets see, no valid hunting license, smell of alcohol on breath(he had a beer
for lunch) and person injured required hospitalization. Three guesses.

Liz, as far as the hunting license goes, he had a valid license, he didn't have the proper stamp, which is normally a wrist slap if its a first offense. (it all depends on local law, but normally it's go buy the stamp, come back and let me see it)

These incidents happen all too frequently, and normally the local police investigate, take statements, and put it in the darwin awards file.

Liz....since the sheriff was not allowed to interview the shooter until the next day (that's how it would work for you and me, right?) they would not have known about the alcohol on his breath (one beer at lunch) had our honest and open vp not told them.

Don't mean to interrupt this spirited debate, but the only question I have is....who is paying the hospital bills? Is it the "victim's" own health insurance, or, since Cheney is responsible, is the government, i.e. ME, picking up the tab?

I am wondering who is paying for this entourage of doctors that have to follow this guy around all the time?

The veep shot him, he's more than likely in the hospital on our nickel.

The entourage of docs who follow around the veep and the CinC are part of the normal detail, but in VP Cheney's case it's beefed up somewhat due to his history of heart problems. They are probably out of Bethesda Naval Hospital, which means in some form or another they're military.

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Originally Posted by Tubby & Peanut's Mom

Don't mean to interrupt this spirited debate, but the only question I have is....who is paying the hospital bills? Is it the "victim's" own health insurance, or, since Cheney is responsible, is the government, i.e. ME, picking up the tab?

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WE ALL DO!


It really doesn't matter, just like everything else, car insurance, home owners insurance, life insurance-we all pay.


CM,
We all do.

It's part of the plan put together since JFK and RR were shot.

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What is the problem with Electric eavesdropping?

I really laugh when I hear people ask "DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT LISTENING/LOOKING AT WHAT YOU DO?"

Did you realize that you company looks and monitors your email?
At work there are CCTV cameras all over the place?
when you shop all your data is attached to your card,debit card and you are photographed while you shop?
Use an ATM and smile! Run a red light and smile!

While there are 300 million people in the USA there are about 100 million that use the phone, computer,text message and email back and forth...


So estimate if you use each of those methods once a day for one message, that is 400 million. more, if you are a TECHHEAD.

So if the US gov't. has the ability to sort thru all those messages every day.....we are in trouble....


DID I MENTION, that a good percent of all that electrinic mash is in a foreign language??

As it is we were never able to get enough translators to go to Iraq/Afghanistan-so what makes you think that the omnipotent powers can decode and figure out all the stupid jokes, photos and trash that we send to each other, every day?


Me?

I'd rather have Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder and seeing that all I get are "girls gone wild" DVD offers, Cialis, Viagra and the Cat of the Day calendar emails..

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Riddle me this.


A terrorist cell operates in a major US city....They begin electronically setting up a plan to dirty bomb a large college. Let's say the University College in Downtown Lost Angeles. (It don't exist so don't bother looking) Uni College is surrounded by 100,000 people.

While the government and state official present a judge a request for a wiretap and access to their emails, they cook off a bomb that kills 10,000 people with in the first week-Did i mention that the wind is blowing west to the ocean and some 50 thousand people will inhale what ever crap they put together with the bomb? Uranium maybe???

3,000 from the initial blast and another 7,000 from the 24 hour effects from the dirt from the fallout.

Long term effects?


The area where the bomb went off is off limits for about 40 years and the cancer rates in the areas go up astronomically...



DID I MENTION WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER, that the firefighters use to put out the fires, until they realize that it full of radioactive waste GOES INTO THE SEWER and pollutes everything down to the ocean?


If you are not scared yet-of think that I am talking out of my hat- I pray that none of the world ever has to go through something like that because we are a bunch of spineless paranoid wimps.

"Where is the government?"
"WHY DIDN'T THEY STOP THE ATTACK?"

Of course, the story about the cops trying to get a wiretap order will come out and then we can whine about the government not moving fast enough.



I pray that I am wrong-but it more than likely will happen.

So get ready and remember- I told you so. :(

Sorry RICHARD....I am more frightened by a government run amok than I am the possibility of a terrorist attack.

To live in a country governed by a bunch who think the constitution is just an inconvenience (except when you want to use it to justifiy owning a killing machine...) is it worth living? I really laugh when I hear people think the government will responsibly use the power to spy on American citizens. Can anyone say "McCarthy?"

The government has never been denied a warrant ...and the law allows them to eavesdrop and get the warrant later. I really laugh when I hear people describe a situation where the requirement to get a warrant causes mass distruction of a city.

I really laugh when I hear people say they don't care about the government spying on them in their homes. How many times does history have to repeat????

Consider yourself riddled.... :D :D :D (I hope that doesn't mean something dirty! :eek: )

A government that considers the Constitution an inconvenience? I'm sure the Branch Davidians were given all rights of due process before the assault on their compound.

LH...is your comment suppose to have something to do with the discussion?

I'm sorry, I forgot, the previous administration followed the constitution to the letter................depending on what your definition of "is" is.

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

I'm sorry, I forgot, the previous administration followed the constitution to the letter................depending on what your definition of "is" is.

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LH, you are still off topic. What is it..have you run out of excuses for
Cheney? :D

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Originally Posted by Tubby & Peanut's Mom

Don't mean to interrupt this spirited debate, but the only question I have is....who is paying the hospital bills? Is it the "victim's" own health insurance, or, since Cheney is responsible, is the government, i.e. ME, picking up the tab?

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Since they are both multimillionaires, I doubt we have anything to
worry about. :D

Liz, while it is off topic in a way, it is a response to ES's questioning the present administration's respect for the Constitution. She brought up her fear of Government run amok, I provided an example of government run amok, people she would like to see back in power. Waco. I could also include Echelon.

I guess coming out and saying that you were the one that pulled the trigger cannot be compared to making a statement concerning something about sex and "that woman".




Let's keep this about the vice presidents.....

What was it that My pal Al Gore said about the US in Saudi Arabia a few days ago.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060213/..._ea/saudi_gore

This bobo was going to be my president?

And why are Billary and Ted going to Senate meetings about armed forces supplies?

Edward voted against a war so he is covered....But Bill and Hill routinely cut the knees from under all the branches of the United States military. And now they care about the PASGT stuff that they are sending to IRAQ?

(During the meeting one officer made a comment about 'shooting themselves in the gut', Ted, being the great politician he is, said that considering the news, it wasn't an appropriate comment.....Billary tossed her head back and laughed out loud....)

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ONE MORE TIME.

I DO NOT CARE IF THE GWB AND THE OTHERS look at my email (Please do not draw the connection that using a DSL line or dial up modem is tantamout to 'looking into my home')

My computer holds the same bland mass mailings you all get, the racy emails my friends send me and some other stuff that my mom would blanch at, knowing her eldest son has seen it.

In case you are wondering, the NSA monitors quite a bit of email and voice commo all across the continent.

They have programs and traps set up to filter out the fact that people are on pet sites, have the Paris Hilton home movies on their harddrive....they don't care if you emailed your old man or old lady some dirty pics you took as a Valentine's day gift.

You have to really trip the alarm, which will in turn, perk up some ears in order for the government to make you a target.

Paranoia may not be that bad a condition to deal with....waiting for the government to break down your door distracts you from dying in a terrorist
attack.

Hmmm,
Having a few techs laughing at my harddrive is a far better trade off than watching people jump out of a 110 story building- they only put off being crushed..

I seem to remember seeing people post about the crappy job the US did in getting info about 9/11....well, we can't spy....

So, since we can't spy, let's just put an ad in the paper....I am sure people will let us know when the hammer is ready to come down.

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Liz, while it is off topic in a way, it is a response to ES's questioning the present administration's respect for the Constitution. She brought up her fear of Government run amok, I provided an example of government run amok, people she would like to see back in power. Waco. I could also include Echelon.

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LH...I find it VERY offensive when you put words in my mouth. I have asked you once not to do so. People she would like to see back in power. You have no more idea who I would like to see in power than the man in the moon.

Speak you opinion but do NOT assume you know mine. I prefer not to stoop to your level.

ES, you've made your views fairly well known over the years.

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

You have no more idea who I would like to see in power than the man in the moon.

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Is Neil Armstrong running for president? :confused:

You show me... just once...where I have said who I would like to see "back in power."

One thing I have always tried to do is avoid any name-calling -- overt or implied -- of anyone on this board. I have not suggested I know what you think except where I am repeating what you have stated. On more than one occasion you have not shown me the same courtesy.

I believe when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas (no offense meant to dogs....) so I will not, as I said, stoop to your level.

Let's try and stay on course.

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

Is Neil Armstrong running for president? :confused:

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Couldn't be any worse.... :D :D :rolleyes: :D

ES, you have made many comments about the President "Stealing" the election. Being that the election in question was in 2000, and there is only one reason to continue a line like that for that long, you make it fairly clear where your political leanings are.

You still make no sense LH.....your last fews comments are off-point and incomprehensible.

Perhaps you should go back to explaining to us why it was Mr. Whittington's fault he was shot by the Vice-president while 30 yards behind...walking up in his orange jacket to rejoin the hunting group.

While this is The Dog House, it is still part of Pet Talk.

Everyone should play nice. We know by now that Lady's Human and Edwina's Secretary disagree in their political leanings. This thread has gone a bit too far, and gotten to the point where many people will just feel completely lost.

Everyone here is a caring, loving person, who sincerely wants the best for all of God's creatures, whether they have fur, feathers, scales, and yes - even plain old (or new) skin.

Please play nicely, everyone.

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Any truth to the rumor that he really was hunting for Quayle?

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Genius!

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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Let's try and stay on course.

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Hey, NO FAIR rewriting presidential punchlines. :p

Just can't help myself, soooo funny. :D


He loves the smell of gunpowder
By John Kenney, JOHN KENNEY has just finished his first novel.


VICE PRESIDENT Dick Cheney accidentally shot documentary filmmaker Michael Moore yesterday as Moore was walking out of a Manhattan Denny's.

A spokesperson for the vice president said that it was a "complete accident" and that Cheney felt "horrible." The White House released a statement saying that the shooting was "just bad timing. Vice President Cheney, who is well-versed in firearms safety, was merely sitting in a shrub, wearing camouflage, outside of a Denny's frequented by Mr. Moore." The statement went on to say that Cheney had been in the shrub for "several days." Moore is said to have suffered only minor injuries and was released from the hospital.


IN ANOTHER BIZARRE accident, Cheney mistakenly shot every Democratic member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. A White House spokesman said that the vice president feels "bad, but not that bad." An aide to Cheney said that the vice president "happened to be in the committee chambers, under a chair, when he stood up to put on a pair of chaps, accidentally shooting the committee members, stopping to reload three times." Remarkably, the committee members were largely unhurt and are expected to make complete recoveries.



THE WHITE HOUSE was put on the defensive again today when Air Force Two was forced to make an emergency landing 25 miles west of New York City after a loss of cabin pressure because of the accidental shooting of former FEMA Director Michael D. Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. Both men have recently come under criticism for their handling of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina. Cheney was said to be "laughing, but also deeply concerned" when he was awoken from a nap after accidentally shooting the men at close range. Typically, shotguns are not allowed on either Air Force One or Two, but Cheney is, the statement said, "a seasoned hunter and also planned to accidentally shoot both men." Both Brown and Chertoff are expected to make complete recoveries, although it remains unclear as to why Brown was duct-taped to the wing of the plane.

A White House spokesman later added that the vice president had been on his way to New York City to accidentally shoot New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd.



SEN. HILLARY Rodham Clinton miraculously escaped injury today after Cheney accidentally ran up to her motorcade and accidentally shot at her car. The White House said the vice president "tripped."

"These things happen," a White House spokesman said. "Guns, while completely safe, are also dangerous."

A member of the vice president's staff said Cheney apologized to the former first lady and potential presidential candidate in a handwritten note.

"I'm sorry I almost shot you. But know that I will try again and will also be sorry then too. I like the sound a gun makes and the smell of the gunpowder. 'Flint' is a neat word. "

And yet somehow in all that he managed to miss Al Franken, John McCain, and James Carville! :D

Well I have read none of this thread and don't intend to but I got something in an e-mail tonight that expresses my thoughts on this exactly......
I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy

At least Mr.Whittington is still alive. :rolleyes:

My co-worker, a dyed-in-the-wool democrat, said today *enough already." I couldn't agree more. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pam

Well I have read none of this thread and don't intend to but I got something in an e-mail tonight that expresses my thoughts on this exactly......

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I agree that the Cheney jokes are beginning to get old.Guess what, if the
next Pres. & VP are Democrats, you will have years to get even. :D :D

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