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They are a bit young for that. ALL the pups are 3 months old when we get them. Some haven't even dropped yet. I know I asked many years ago & my shelter wasn't allowed to do it against the owners will, so I'm pretty sure there is a stupid law out there.
See, I'm particularly biased against pet stores and am dealing with my own BYB-dog, so I find it extremely difficult to see the sunny side of pet stores. I am VEHEMENTLY against stores that sell animals of any kind. Again, it is my personal belief that the only place to acquire any domestic animal is from 1) a shelter or a form of rescue and 2) a reputable breeder. No other source is acceptable.
As for the bulldog, you claim she is tested... I'm sorry, but you must be confused. You can't possibly claim she is OFA'd because she's too young for it. Her growth plates are still forming and she's much too young to have had her x-rays sent in. How could she possibly be OFA'd? Anyways, if you still claim her to be OFA'd, could you please PM her numbers to me? My question was: is her sire and dam OFA'd and CERF'd. Better yet, can you please PM me her mother and father's numbers? :) I'm curious now. Have her parents been tested for thyroid? What about your plethora of GSD puppies? Have they been tested for Von Willebrands? I'm sure you'd be horrified to know that Standard and Miniature Poodles are susceptible to this canine hemophilia as well. If you claim your breeders to be responsible and not BYBs, I'm curious if they test their Poodles. I'm *especially* curious if your designer mix breeders test their dogs because I, for one, know many of these people do not test their breeding stock, much less provide adequate veterinary care.
I also find it slightly difficult to believe that Ontario has no BYBs. BYBs are tricky people because there is no single definition that fits them all. Some are simply people who believe it would be nice to bring in a little extra profit through breeding Fifi and Fido. But how could these same people possibly be regulated? They don't believe they're doing anything wrong, and in a legal sense, they are completely innocent. BYBs are simply people who breed because they love their dogs and want to make some money (or love money and want to make some puppies ;)), but they see nothing wrong with what they're doing. Chances are they do not test for hip dysplasia, patella luxation, thyroid problems, von Willebrands, PRA, etc. because doing so would cut into their profits and the suckers who buy their puppies don't even know about these health maladies! I'm sure there are plenty of sick puppies who die or get returned back to your store, and I'm sure there are plenty more healthy puppies who leave your store. But how can you possibly assure the prospective homes that these healthy puppies will continue to remain healthy? How can you assure their dogs will not develop hip dysplasia. Sure, you may cull the puppies who develop HD as young pups, but what can you say for the aging, dysplastic GSD who you sold 6 years old? By definition, the GSD is no longer under the warranty. Yet, the HD was due mainly due to genetics. What kind of back up do you offer then?
And when we talk about the grand scheme of things, when these sick puppies develop congenital defects, do you even care to notify the original breeder whose responsibility it is to prevent and protect these problems? If not, how can you sit there with the knowledge that there is a breeder out there churning out hundreds of puppies each year, possibly doomed to a lifetime of health maladies that cause them pain, but not death?
Charlie's testicles NEVER dropped and he was still able to be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by king2005
Im with Wolfie...Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfie
a person my mom used to work with,, spent $8.56 on a Pug/Beagle mix(got it out of a pet store) and just leaves it in a pen in their back yard 24/7. and as far as i know of,, hasnt been to the vet since they got her. and shes not spayed either.
people do spend lots of money on dogs.. and then dont give a sh*t from there after the newness wares off.
Before there is any blood. I'll just drop it.. its not worth my time.
I do apologize as I'm honestly not trying to start anything, I'm just confused. Because I hear from everyone that puppies need to be five or six months before being fixed yet you can adopt a 10 - 12 week old puppy from the shelter who is already fixed???Quote:
Originally Posted by king2005
yeah almost every dog we have at our shelter at that age is fixed. But i'm not trying to start anything either but just saying our shelter does that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessika
OK PEOPLE back to helping this person about poodles....
I got this info from some website:
for mini poodle:
-Is conveniently-sized, light and graceful, athletic and agile
-Has a curly coat that doesn't shed (one of the best breeds for allergy sufferers)
-Comes in a variety of colors
-Is lively and playful
-Is one of the brightest and most attentive of all breeds, so intuitive, and such a skilled reader of body language and expression, that he often appears telepathic
-Excels at obedience and agility competition
-Is usually polite with strangers and sociable with other animals
-A careful search to avoid all the highstrung, neurotic Poodles
-Timidity or skittishness when not socialized enough
-Emotional sensitivity to stress, tension, or loud voices
-Monthly clipping of the curly coat
-Barking
-Health problems
Standard poodle
-Is medium to large, combining sturdiness and athleticism with elegance and grace
-Moves with a light, graceful, springy gait
-Has a curly coat that doesn't shed (one of the best breeds for allergy sufferers)
-Is lively and playful
-Is one of the brightest and most attentive of all breeds, so intuitive, and such a skilled reader of body language and expression, that he often appears telepathic
-Excels at obedience and agility competition
-Is usually polite with strangers and sociable with other animals
-A careful search to avoid all the highstrung, neurotic Poodles
-Vigorous exercise requirements
-Rowdiness and exuberant jumping, especially when young
-Destructiveness when bored or not exercised enough or left alone too much
-Skittishness or suspiciousness in some lines, or when not socialized enough
-Emotional sensitivity to stress, tension, or loud voices
-Monthly clipping of the curly coat
-Barking
-Lots of serious health problems
Goodluck
its true poodles appear to be telepathic. when i play with molli, everyonce in awhile i will take the toy and tell her to sit. well i will take it and right before i say sit, she sits. sometimes i tell her to speak, and right before i say it she will bark. what smart little psychics (sp?) they are!
I was wondering also :) I've heard from T.V. that poodles are least seen in the vet office (other than check-ups) I was wondering if it was true :confused: :confused:
Most of the things that send them there are from poor breeding. (i.e., in the case of the little ones, usually toys, it may be luxating patellas, or knee caps). Also tartar build-up and tooth loss is a problem with the smaller ones. The toys, however, do live quite long lives. My little Pumpkin made it to 17. :) The scariest health problem for the standards is the risk of bloat. I lost one due to bloat and always have a little fear about it in the back of my mind with Bella.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse Lover
well it's sad if that is true. they are a very common breed. i take my poodle to the vet. its true, toys and minis have tartar problems. molli had severe tartar when she was only 11 months old, so i brush her teeth daily and give her a greenie.
and her puppy teeth hasn't fallen out yet, (she's over a year) so she has to get them pulled the same time as her spay.
Oh! :) Thanks people i just heard that comment from tv so i decided to ask if it was true.. it all depends on breeder right.. ;)
Yeah pretty much depends on the dogs genitics,, and the dog in general.
Kirby almost died on me a few years back. he had the dog version of AIDS. not sure how got it.. whether he ate something to make his emmue system to go haywire or what.. but its when their body stops making enough red blood cells. and the become very very weak. and his gums were pasty white.
and he was put on storid pills to boost his emmue system. and was on them for quite a while. at least 2 or 3 months. and we had to slowy take him back off them. and there was no gurantee that the pills would correct the problem. there was a 50/50 % chance that he could revert back stage one.. and be on steroids for the rest of his life.. or come through all the way and not have to be on any medications
but i also think he helped to heal himself by having a strong will to live.
he was so very close to dieing.. all he had to do was give up
thats sad! for such a little dog, what a fighter!