Why Won't Bush Speak To Her?

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Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary


I assume you are referring to the IRA (Irish Republican Army.) I'm not sure religious would be an adjective to describe the IRA. Generally speaking, religious and left-wing don't go together real well. The IRA's cause is independence from England. Don't know if that makes them religious or left-wing..... [/B]

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<banging head on desk> I never said that their interests were the same... I was trying to draw a parallel between the fanatical approaches they use to try and get their [DIFFERENT] points across.

Samantha's puppy...I understood what you meant, sorry I misunderstood or took it the wrong way before.

I agree that we need to finish what we started, to me though I can't imagine anyone being "for" a war, there is death involved. I realize when people say that they probably mean that they are "for" a solution and war is the only viable one in their opinion.

Please don't bang your head against the wall..you need to relax and enjoy yourself so your little guy grows up healthy.

My, my. So many people are all upset because a mother wants an explanation of why her son died.

Given that the rationalizations given by Bush & Co. have shifted several times since Cindy Sheehan's meeting with Bush in the aftermath of her son's death (9/11! No, WMD! No, freedom for the Iraqis!), I think she deserves to know what the real story is.

As do we all.

Who are the people standing with Cindy? Many of them are military families and veterans who don't think we should have started this war. I've thought about going myself, but couldn't pull it off financially.

And as for any comparison between a peaceful protest and terrorism, well, by that standard Gandhi was a terrorist. That's some pretty shaky logic.

Go ahead and call me names if you want to. I'll keep standing with Cindy--I want some answers.

LH...you never know....the ACLU may be just the group to help you get your New York State driver's license.....:D ;) :D

ES, no, there is going to be a bill introduced in the next session of the legislature to deal with the issue. By then I will have gotten a new SS card and it will be a moot point for me. Besides, the ACLU wouldn't touch my case with a 10 foot pole.

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Originally posted by lizbud
It is that kind of thinking (or non thinking) that got us all into
this mess. It' almost sounds like something George might have
said himself.

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Sometimes it's kinda nice to find out that I am wrong about things.

It grounds me and I am not stuck up in the rarified air with the people who think they do know everything.

ES,

I do agree that the pics of the servicemen's coffins are a matter of public record. Each casket contains the remains of a young man or woman who went to do a job for their country and people that they never met before they went to Iraq.

To see Moore and the LWNJs use those pictures as a propaganda tool shows the disrespect they have for those people who protect their, yours and my write to speak about this subject.


And I am still waiting for the oil that all their spilled blood was supposed to bring to America.

Another lie from the left.

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For the record, Who called who, what??


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Basically the whole name calling thing somes from broadcasters who do not have one bit of respect for anyone.

You respect the person, then try to have a conversation about why the think the way they do. You respect their opinions and maybe you challenge them.


When hear people calling GWB an idiot (again, I am no HUGE GWB FAN) it just reinforces the idea that their will be no intelligent conversations after that point.

It comes down to respecting the office and the laws of the land.

Listen to Air America and the namecalling on that "station".

Liar, Jerk, Dummy, Idiot, Ass....

What a great ideal to align with.

Lose an election and you have every right to speak out against the winner.

Lose your cool, composure and start the namecalling - you forfeit the right to be taken seriously.

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Again, everyone makes a big stink about hillbilly armor.

Bush wants to put billions into getting better equipment.

People complaing about the spending, forgetting that better equipment will keep our soldiers from being killed...

But "we support the troops but not the war".....Get a grip...

Support the troops and pay a few extra bucks to keep them safe.

War protestors use dead bodies to further their cause-
What a crappy way to honor them.....

War isn't pretty-we have fought them all across the planet - that is what keeps our tongues wagging with no fear of being told to shut up.

Support the troops, but respect them and the job they do,
Respect their remains. Respect their families.
Respect the fact that they may have had some questions about their mission in Iraq.

And while you are at it, have a little respect for the next guy, the place you live, the rules that you live by and the people running the whole show...

You don't have to agree with them......they will show their true colors soon enough, just treat them with a little respect....and leave the namecalling to the children....when they have or lose control of a situation they'll always toss out a few barbs...

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I respect Sheehan's right to protest, But I reserve the right to shake my head, and call her a media whore....poor woman, just another pawn in a game..

We will soon forget who she is, just like we forgot the woman in the 9/11 shockmentary..Maybe someone will put a nice epitah on her headstone.


"Here lies a woman who was used and then tossed aside to make a president look like a chump......What was her name again???"







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Listen to Air America and the namecalling on that "station".

Liar, Jerk, Dummy, Idiot, Ass....

What a great ideal to align with.

Sounds like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to me.......

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Originally posted by Lady's Human
ES, My examples of fanatical nutjobs on both sides.....

Left wing nujobs:


ACLU....They'll fight any case involving the First amendment, but won't touch ANY second amendment case. We're for civil rights, but we'll pick and choose the parts of the constitution we support.

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Hey, I support the ACLU but I'm not a left-wing nutjob....
wait a minute....
I am left-wing....
and if you ask any of my friends, they would for sure tell you I was a nutjob.....
(sorry, nevermind:D )

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Originally posted by RICHARD

For the record, Who called who, what??


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Lose your cool, composure and start the namecalling - you forfeit the right to be taken seriously.

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And while you are at it, have a little respect for the next guy,
You don't have to agree with them..........and leave the namecalling to the children....when they have or lose control of a situation they'll always toss out a few barbs...

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But I reserve the right to shake my head, and call her a media whore



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I thought you were leaving the name calling to the children????

hmmmm..... Although I still don't understand what a media whore is? Would that nice young woman, Jessica....I can't remember her last name.....the one who enlisted to get a college education....who was injuried in a vehicle accident in Iraq, treated medically in a local hospital and released to American soldiers....on the cover of every magazine going....tv movie, parades.....would she be one? And can men be media whores or only women?

Stupid me....I always thought a media whore was more a verb than a noun....I'll explain it when I get home tonight...


I am still stunned. In the shower this morning I found out that I have the ability to be BOTH a LEFT AND RIGHT wing NUT JOB...

Poor Lance Armstrong....Stuck in the middle.:(

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Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
I thought you were leaving the name calling to the children????

hmmmm..... Although I still don't understand what a media whore is? Would that nice young woman, Jessica....I can't remember her last name.....the one who enlisted to get a college education....who was injuried in a vehicle accident in Iraq, treated medically in a local hospital and released to American soldiers....on the cover of every magazine going....tv movie, parades.....would she be one? And can men be media whores or only women?

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I believe you are talking about Jessica Lynch.

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Originally posted by Pam
I just heard on the news that she is leaving her *post* because she has found out her mother has suffered a stroke and has gone to be with her. It will be interesting to see if the crowds disperse. I doubt it. They have an agenda and it is not standing beside her and supporting her in her grief. :rolleyes:

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Sad but I'm sure true. This whole situation has just turned into another political game

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Originally posted by DJFyrewolf36
Sad but I'm sure true. This whole situation has just turned into another political game

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There are many, many people who think the Iraq invasion on
trumped up reasons is nothing but a political game on a giant
scale. So very sad for our troops who look to our current leaders
for clear direction and purpose.

I believe Bush chose not to meet with Mrs Sheehan is that he's
much to busy still defending a failed policy.He's going out on the
road again because he has to try to drum up some support.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1054425

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Originally posted by lizbud
He's going out on the road again because he has to try to drum up some support.

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I wonder if Tommy Lee would drum for GWB, he ain't doing nothing these days.

Pam,

No wonder Sheehan's mom blew a gasket....

You woulda thought she taught her kids better....:rolleyes:

*cough*cough* COWARD *cough*cough*

*cough*cough* Woman who needs to do something more constructive with her time, something better than to shill for Micheal Moore-who is using her, then will discard her like all the other people he uses.... *cough*cough*

Thank you for posting that Jadapit! People need to realize what is important and quit bickering and moaning about what isnt

This is exactly the kind of blatant, mawkish, emotional manipulation this administration has been using to justify this war!

A few facts..... Suicide bombers are not ripped from their mothers' breast. They volunteer often with the full knowledge and consent of the family. Suicide bombing has been used in Israel by Palestinians for years and years ...male and female..... where are the tears for those mothers? Why weren't the marines sent in there?

And of course....that all important question....if these suicide bombers are Pakistani and Afganistan....why are we in Iraq????? The US military repeatly has stated that, until recently, most suicide bombers were from OUTSIDE Iraq.

Why it is okay for a US soldier to volunteer to die for his country, for what he believes in, but not a Arab? Did you read the interview with a guy who is in training to be a suicide bomber (TIme or Newsweek....can't remember.) He is PROUD to do it.

We have heard how Sheehan feels about her son's death, but have you heard the sentiment of those Arab mothers, or is it an assumption?

I keep hearing that freedom of speech is one of the reason we are at war....but then turn around and hear...."you are wrong if you use your freedom of speech to state a position contrary to ours!"

So now we are in Iraq so mothers there won't be beheaded.

And I thought it was because of WMD....or 9/11....or getting rid of Saddam.

And by the way.....is anyone REALLY expected to believe that Iraq is the most male dominated society in the world????????

So Cindy Sheehan should not disagree with her husband, but Iraqi women should....what arrogance!

Yes...let's focus on what is really important....our sons and daughters and their safe return from this war.

The Human Factor

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Considering the human factor
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What I really want to know is whether that pain of loss in wartime ever
really goes away

Charles M. Madigan

August 23, 2005

Sometimes you get yourself in a mood that just won't let you go, and my
mood about Cindy Sheehan and what has flowed from her decision to
protest the death of her son by camping out at President Bush's ranch in
Crawford, Texas, is becoming one of those things.

A little over two years ago, I went to Bedford, Va., to talk to some
women and men who had lost friends on D-Day. Bedford had 35 young men in
the first wave of soldiers to push onto the beach, all National
Guardsmen, and 19 of them were killed in very short order. More died later.

What I really wanted to know was whether that pain of loss in wartime
ever really goes away.

Before the Iraq war death notices started coming in, I wanted to remind
people that each loss is an individual loss, that it breaks hearts
forever, one at a time.

It is so much more than a number.

The little town sits in the shadow of the Blue Ridge Mountains, a place
where your eye falls kindly on everything from the 19th Century
architecture to the forests along the range.

It seemed the kind of place just invented for storytelling.

Many people in the South have a gift for measured speaking that makes
it easy to take notes or listen for nuance, for suggestion, for that
taste of cadence.

It makes you think, "Well, this lovely woman could just as well be
singing," or, "You could dance to the way that man talks."

I chased around town looking for the right women.

Elizabeth worked at the drugstore in the telegraph booth on D-Day, and
she got the first word of Bedford's loss some time later when she
turned her machine on in the morning and the messages from the Department of
War to the families of dead soldiers started printing out.

Imagine that, sitting there in your little booth and seeing the names
of fellows that you maybe had dated, maybe had kissed under a
streetlight one hot summer night, maybe danced with, or kissed goodbye when the
troop train pulled out of Bedford so long ago.

"The secretary of war regrets ..."

It's a lot of heartbreak for a little town.

It must have been awful to be there in the weeks after D-Day and find
out about those deaths. Even all these years later, some of the women
still grew teary when they talked about their dead boyfriends, how this
one had a chest wound and had drowned on the beach when the tide came in
and washed his stretcher away.

"You just don't get over that," one of them told me.

The elderly woman who headed the draft board at the time recalled the
farmer who came bursting into the draft office with his loaded shotgun,
ready to kill everyone. Two of his sons had been sent off to war, and
one wasn't coming back. He was talked out of it.

How many times did those kinds of things play out? How noble did it all
seem a decade or so later, when the flags stopped waving and what you
were left with was an overwhelming loneliness for someone you will never
see again on this Earth?

That is why I am taking this opportunity to quietly curse Cindy
Sheehan's critics in word and thought far too inappropriate to be published in
a newspaper.

Sheehan made the choice to protest by plunking herself down in Crawford
and demanding to see Bush so she could ask him exactly why her son,
Casey, 24, was killed in an ambush in Baghdad's Sadr City in April 2004.

The reporters descended on her the way buzzards float down to pick at
roadkill. Supporters eager to voice their concerns about the war, toss
some rhetoric at Bush and maybe get some time on TV showed up too.

Sheehan has now become one of those unfortunate media creatures, which
diminishes her message and her impact.

She has complicated matters with her own comments about the president
as terrorist and her thoughts about Zionist conspiracies.

Those remarks have opened the door to White House apologists of many
stripes, who stepped in to criticize her quite aggressively, just as they
seem to mysteriously step in to criticize anyone with unkind words or
difficult questions for the president. Fine, that's how they play the
game.

Anyhow, Sheehan became a certified, confusing, big-time media event.

Let me say this, Cindy Sheehan, so you can use it later.

I am sorry you lost your son. There will be this empty space around you
for the rest of your life.

I know a place you can go down in the Blue Ridge where all the sweet
women will weep with you and share their memories later, perhaps when you
need them the most.

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Charles M. Madigan, the Tribune's Perspective editor, is also author of
The Rambling Gleaner at chicagotribune.com/gleaner.

I'm honestly sorry if I offened any of you by posting that. I feel bad about it.:( Popcorn you made a LOT of good points in your post. I will delete that post if you want me to, let me know and i will.

*edit*
I'm going to go ahead and delete it.

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A few facts..... Suicide bombers are not ripped from their mothers' breast. They volunteer often with the full knowledge and consent of the family.

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ES, yes, they do volunteer, but they have often been taught that suicide bombing is a great way to martyrdom from the time they are old enough to comprehend. I forget whether it was Time or Newsweek, but one of the news mags had a picture of an infant "member" of Hamas wearing a fake bomb vest. Hamas confirmed that the image was real and not created b ythe magazine in the article.

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Why weren't the marines sent in there?

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They were, and over 200 of them came home in body bags, courtesy of the suicide bombers.

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And of course....that all important question....if these suicide bombers are Pakistani and Afganistan....why are we in Iraq????? The US military repeatly has stated that, until recently, most suicide bombers were from OUTSIDE Iraq.

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Most suicide bombers were from outside Iraq. However, the loveable little teddy bear, Saddam Hussein, was funding the terrorists. There were publicity shots of him handing $25,000 checks to the families of suicide bombers prior to the war.

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Did you read the interview with a guy who is in training to be a suicide bomber (TIme or Newsweek....can't remember.) He is PROUD to do it.

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Again, in many cases they've been "programmed" to be suicide bombers from infancy. Hard not to be proud to fulfill your programmed task.



The most important thing for the United States to do right now in Iraq is to stay the course and rebuild what was torn down, only rebuild it in a far better manner than the shambles of a government that was there prior to the invasion.

Curious LH..... did you actually read the article to which I was responding????

The US lost 200 soldiers in Israel? When was that?

But I know what you mean about bending young minds.... I see little boys around here dressed in military fatigues and playing with toy (I hope) guns all the time!

The US lost 200 Marines to Hamas and Hezbollah in 1983 in the bombing of the marine barracks in beirut. Hamas and Hezbollah are are the most active of the terrorist organizations in the region. The marines were in Lebanon as peacekeepers, Lebanon is their home turf for most of the terrorist attacks on Israel, they didn't want US marines in their playground. They were not IN Israel, but what happened was because of their presence in the area.

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Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary


But I know what you mean about bending young minds.... I see little boys around here dressed in military fatigues and playing with toy (I hope) guns all the time!

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And I see young girls playing with Barbies all the time..

They grow up to be be terrorists themselves....

You see it on the license plate frames all the time.

I want to be Baribie, THAT biatch has everything.
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Randi Rhodes, that cornerstone of free speech was on her show telling the audience not to join the service.....specifically OCS....she told them to go to business school and make tons of money....then she blasted Rumsfeld and Cheney for using the was to make money.



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Kids in the Middle East are not torn from the breast....they are sent to madrassas and taught to hate.

What would a mom think about that?

THere was a report I heard about Casey Sheehan's mom.
Casey's uncle put out a note saying that Casey joined the service to get away from his mother.

What would a mom think about that?

Now we have some mother that uses the body of her son to promote a political cause.

What would a mom think about that?

A woman who is using the death of someone else's son to
promote her cause.

What would a mom think abou that?


The answer to her question, How did my son die?

Is simple as it is gross.

He was killed my a piece of metal, an explosion or ????

If she is asking, WHY DID MY SON DIE..

That's harder to answer.

Belief? Duty? A job? Service? War?

I think that Ms Sheehan would be better served to ask OBL or Saddam. It was their answers that got this thing rolling...

(Sorry Scott Beamer.....)

I think Sheehan is the same kinda person that watches a loved one smoke themselves into oblivion and then proceeds to sue the cigarette makers because they cannot lay the blame at their own doorstep.

At the Marine Corps graduations in Camp Pendleton the families of the soldiers are told that thier sons and daughters do not belong to them anymore....they belong to the government.

Shehann lost her son three times.

The first time when he left her home
the second time to the government
and the third time in a land far away

The fourth time she lost was when she decided not to
let him rest in peace and honor his service to his country.

Hmmmmm,
Losing is a bitter taste.

Some people go on to win.....others wallow in sorrow and loss.

The fourth time's the charm.







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