I just found the article, it was a boxer. So yeah, I proved my point.
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBPB23EHGE.html
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I just found the article, it was a boxer. So yeah, I proved my point.
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBPB23EHGE.html
Ughhh!! The headline reads "Man Shoots Neighbor's Dog After It Chases His Children", but if it were a Pit it would have read "Man Shoots Neighbor's Pit Bull After It Chases His Children" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad::mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by areias
The attitude of the Pitbull has been bred into them for years and years. Pitbull's are one of the most unpredictable breeds out there.
The Pitbull was "selectively" bred for hundreds of years to fight other dogs. This is the sad "work" these dogs were created for. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, Pitbulls were bred to face other dogs in mortal combats. Even in Pitbulls that are not recently bred from fighting lines, the urge to fight can arise at any time. Not to strongly emphasize this fact would be negligant.
I am not against banning Pitbulls, nor am I for it. But they serve no direct purpose to us. Why let them kill, maul and ruin children's, family's lives?
I can't say I would be upset if they banned them.
"But they serve no direct purpose to us" Explaination:
Border Collies - herding, and can be used in things such as herding, agility, flyball..
Golden Retrievers - wonderful family pets, loyal, good with kids
Beagles - hunting
Pitbulls - nothing directly, for now, they have taken to mauling and killing
Pitbulls are known to be good as family dogs, and guard dogs.. BUT.. so many people in the world are so undereducated about them. NO ONE can change that. There will always be those with the breed who have no understanding whatsoever. Just like there's no such thing as world peace.
Just my two cents, my opinion.
Pitbulls can do all of the stuff you listed up there. And much more....Quote:
Originally Posted by Love4BCs
Okay then. Let's ban Border Collies, only people that have farms can have them. They have to be muzzled at all times, because they are herding dogs and they nip. They can only be offleash when herding, at all other times they must be in a pen or tied on a heavy chain. They are much too hyper to be a family dog, and they nip at children. So now, are you okay with that? Because you don't have a purpose for your border collie, we're going to let the government go in, take your dog, and throw it in the incinerator. Okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Love4BCs
I thought an american staffordshire terrier and an american pit bull terrier were two different breeds. Hmm...going to research a little. But, if someone has a site saying one way or the other, before I find something, post it, please. I'm wondering, now! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Addie
I thought/think this too but then I think the term "pit bull" is applied to describe a group of dogs and not one breed in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
Here's a site that lists them as two different breeds...... http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/breedlist.shtmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessika
I said the name wrong, though...Staffordshire Bull Terrier (not American Staffordshire Terrier)...and the American Pit Bull Terrier...
Going to look at the AKC site, now...see what it says. ;)
I checked on the AKC site, I SWEAR I saw the Pit Bull listed there before as an American Pit Bull, and I KNOW its a breed, but then its gone from the AKC site or was never there and I saw it somewhere else so it made me second-guess myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by finn's mom
Hmmm...interesting. The AKC lists an American Staffordshire Terrier and a Staffordshire Bull Terrier as two different breeds....
http://www.akc.org/breeds/terrier_group.cfm
Interesting. :) Learn something new every day, I guess.
Yes i think the Am staff and staffordshire bull terriers are two different breeds. Staffordshire bull terriers are smaller than am staffs.
Staffie
http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet...ogs/staffy.jpg
Am Staff
http://www.stonesandbones.be/pics/photos/index.jpg
IMO,they look quite different.
theres also a really great website about pitbulls, i'm looking for it now. :)
-edit- here it is
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/
Thanks so much for that link, I'm going to order this t-shirt and wear it at humane society events and such. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sammy101
thats a great t-shirt!I would love to order one too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by .sarah
well then im sorry your not a true dog.animal lover if you belive that you need to watch some pit videos and reaserch pitbulls before you decide that...Quote:
I can't say I would be upset if they banned them.
its the deed not the breed!
and yes pits and staffy's are the same breed the staffy is just another name so that they can show them in the ring ,kinda stupid really
bull terriers and staffys are really different both bred for fighting but bull terriers have the oval noseQuote:
Yes i think the Am staff and staffordshire bull terriers are two different breeds. Staffordshire bull terriers are smaller than am staffs.
Then why does the UKC have both listed?? They have both the American Pit Bull Terrier AND the Staffordshire Bull Terrier listed as official breeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
hmm i have no clue thats what a lady told me though and she said thats what her breeder said... :confused: :confused:
bull terriers are my favourite breed. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
i always though that Am Staffs and APBT's were the same breed,but only one was showed in the ring? This has really got my head thinking,lol :o
It also annoys me when the media sooo eagerly labels ANY bully-type dog as a "Pit Bull". the term has almost lost all meaning, anymore... because any Amstaff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Presa Canario, American Bulldog, and basically any mixed breed dog with a meat muzzle can be a "Pit Bull" in their eyes.
Also, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are COMPLETELY different from APBT's. APBT's are, however, basically the same as American Staffordshire Terriers... which is why the AKC has yet to recognize American Pit Bull Terriers, because they elected to recognize the name "American Staffordshire Terriers" instead. My friend has a purebred Amstaff and a purebred Staffy, both registered, and completely different dogs. Her staffy girl is about half the size of her Amstaff, and much more bouncy and outgoing. Her amstaff has a super stable, good-natured temperament but she's reserved with strangers... she has much perkier eyes and a longer muzzle, while the staffy has more drooped eyes and a bullier face.
Anyway, I'd bet anything that ATLEAST 90% of the "Pit Bulls" we see in the media attacking people and animals are not even close to being registered dogs, period. They're a mix of dozens of breeds thanks to sick fighter BYB's, and they're definitely not bred to win shows, pass their CGC test and become therapy dogs :)
How dare you say that. At least I don't let my friends leave their dogs outside on a chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup132
PLEASE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Love4BCs
Why in the world would you want my dog dead? You don't know him, and
obviously don't know ANYthing real about the breed. Or am I wrong and you've personally owned a pittie and it killed everyone in site. Or maybe you've been physically damaged by them in some way that makes you hate them. There are several people here on PT that are owned by pit bulls. And I feel safe in saying that all the people here on PT are "true" dog lovers. No matter what the breed is. And there really isn't any sense in upsetting any of these real dog lovers by your comments, when you obviously know the things you are saying are just going to upset us all. Would it be at all possible to keep your hateful opinions to yourself? This is a dog lovers forum.
So, let's be nice shall we?
The American Pit Bull Terrier (not recognized by AKC), Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier are all different breeds. However, there is no breed called the Pit Bull. When people say Pit Bull it could be any one of the breeds I listed. It's wierd, because you'd think Pit Bull would refer to only the American Pit Bull Terrier, but in reality it could be any one of them.
A misconception, she never said she wanted them dead. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigyummydog
What a wonderful post, and so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by areias
What I want to say to you, Jess, is that you're not looking at the whole picture. Pit Bulls have the most publisized attacks and this is the only reason people hate this particular breed so much. I cannot tell you the countless numbers of Pit Bulls that I have met at work and have not been bitten, scratched, nor tormented by any of them. Just last Monday I was bitten by a Lab. I've been bitten by TONS of small dogs. I've been bitten by German Shepherds. And, yes, I have been bitten by a Border Collie. It has to do with the owner and breeding that the dog comes from. Besides, Pits that were trained to fight were taught to fight other DOGS, not humans. The dogs had to trust their owners so that the fights could be broken up and not have the people get hurt.
I know this was already posted in this thread, but did you look at this site? It really puts the whole thing into perspective.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com
She's leaving, remember? So there is no point in debating it with her.
whos leaving?
[QUOTE]I know this was already posted in this thread, but did you look at this site? It really puts the whole thing into perspective.
http://www.understand-a-bull.com[QUOTE] thats a really good site i read the whole thing and totally agree with them i just wish every1 could
You're right. I forgot about that. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by CagneyDog
I agree. I worked at the boarding kennel (and I'm going to start working there again this week)...because of their dog aggressive nature, we don't let pits board there, but of course there was enough that slipped through with being called a lab/boxer or something, and some that debated they were AmStaffs..blah blah yeah, I never felt threatened by any of them, whatsoever. Some of the breeds that I specifically remember being nervous around (I'm not discriminating against them, just making a point), was two boxers, a border collie, two chows, a couple shepherd mixes, a couple GSDs, a Rottie Mix, a couple Dachshunds, and a Bichon. Plus some of the labs were quite mouthy, and would push you over in a second, and a lot of goldens are flighty and not all there mentally...they would bite you in a second if you're not careful. The worst was the Bichon, which actually got me, a chow that came after me, and a Boxer that starting lunging and barking at my legs. The pits-absolutely NO problems with. It's not just pit bulls, it's all dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by .sarah
The point is, they are so discriminated against, that a lot of them are only owned by people that have them, just to have a mean pitbull, the dog gets loose, and the news stories happen. You don't hear about the lab that attacked someone, or the Poodle, because it's not eaten up by the media. This is a media based fear. They were NOT bred to fight people, they were bred to fight dogs. When Pit Bull fighting first came out...any dog that turned on a handler, was immediately killed. Not so anymore, but please understand where I'm coming from. It's the good people that own pits that are being punished, the bad people aren't even being touched. They don't care if the dog is taken away, they'll just get another one, or some other breed. Banning pit bulls is NOT the answer. Licenses to own them, fees, spay and neuter contracts, is the answer.
"When pit bulls are outlawed, only outlaws will own pit bulls. "
This is a very heavy topic of mine.
I just want to make this plain and simple. It has gotten mixed up with the nicknames and confused. American Staffordshire Terriers (Am Staffs) and American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs) Can be the same breed. If you register your dog with the UKC as an APBT first, the AKC won't reccognise him as an Am staff, but If you register your dog with the AKC as an Am Staff first, the UKC WILL let you register the same dog as an APBT. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffie, Staffie Bull) Used to be the same breed as the Am Staff and were bred together but broke off as a separate breed about 60 (?) years ago and since has been bred as a very different breed.
Here is so you can see how small staffie bulls are:
http://www.eastangliansbtclub.co.uk/snooker.JPG
and here is a picture of am staffs for size:
http://longfellow.zoto.com/img/45/6d...3ca51a27a-.jpg
well i would like to bring up the best, most well behaved dog at the shelter I work at. The only dog that walks perfect on a leash, doesn't jump on you, etc. She had puppies and is a wonderful mother. She loves people and other dogs. I am in love with her, what a sweetie. She was a stray, and yet she is such a great dog. Her name is Matilda.
and guess what kind of dog she is? she is 1/2 PIT BULL.
(and forget that a said i have never met a pittie. i have met a pittie mix. lol)
I wouldn't doubt if she's still reading. She didn't leave right after she said that, either. Either way, I would say that to anyone who talks about Pitties the way she does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigyummydog
I don't see how we're being biased. You're probably not going to, but would you like to explain?
And, for the record, you're the one who is being arrogant. Most of the people here have been calm. But this is a heated subject.
EDIT: I think she really left this time ... her signature and avatar were just taken out. :rolleyes:
EDIT AGAIN: That last sentence is incredibly childish.
The mayor has been notified, I'm sure it will be taken care of.
thank you :)
I'll edit my thread too so that I don't have her quoted. :)
I was going to send a message to Karen but Jess has been cursing for a while on this topic so I figured Karen would already have a bunch of messages regarding her.
oh ok.
Never assume someone else has told me anything. I have removed her latest post. She will not return.
Won't ever again :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
Thanks for resolving it!
yep thanks!
Wow, I leave for a little while and look at what I missed. Thanks everyone for going to bat for Pitties.
Don't feed the trolls.
This thread is pretty old, but I wanted to clear up some confusion ;)
American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pitbull Terriers are the same thing. Staffordshire Bull Terriers *are* a different breed, they're smaller and such.