Well my employer pays for my medical coverage thank goodnes, they pay $700 a month...I am sure lots of folks are not so fortunate. I think I pay an addition $100 a month or something close to that.
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Well my employer pays for my medical coverage thank goodnes, they pay $700 a month...I am sure lots of folks are not so fortunate. I think I pay an addition $100 a month or something close to that.
$100 canadian seems like the better deal. In my opinion. I think its mean of Bush to not allow americans to buy drugs from canada, but allow them to buy drugs from mexico. Most of our drugs come from the states or at least the some companies american pharmacies get their drugs from. Whats the dif. if its cheaper why not?
[IMG]Whats the dif. if its cheaper why not[/IMG]
His friends in the drug industry won't get to make as much profit?
Ah, ah ah!!!
Start blaming the senators and congressman who take money from the special interest groups................
Those are the morons who deserve the blame......
It's the mechanics you blame when the bus breaks down....
The driver only gets as far as THEY'LL let him go.
Sorry to again disagree.....;)
If the driver abuses the bus....it breaks down....
A bus is built to take abuse.....:DQuote:
Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Sorry to again disagree.....;)
If the driver abuses the bus....it breaks down....
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I just asked someone the average cost of running one operating room for one hour....
He didn't have an answer, but he did use this example......................
A defibrillator/pacemaker can cost about 28,000 dollars to put in....
For those of you that felt it necessary to comment about the nature of the hospitalization- shame on you.
Healthcare should be an affordable RIGHT not dependant on circumstances. Whether the two were married, single, gay, etc, not only did they suffer a very tragic experience, but, then they have people judging them, to top it all.
What their relationship to each other is/was has NOTHING to do with health insurance. I was somewhat surprised to see it even referenced in the opening post.
I suppose if the miscarriage was the result of an act of violence the victim should really just follow up with the person that perpetrated the crime?
Yes, I am somewhat sore about all this crap. The 'illegitimate kids', the children out of 'wedlock', and now this. Funny, as one of the people that felt it necessary to expel her ideas of morality on me has JUST indicated by her post here that she ain't so 'moral' herself. Go figure.
I can't wait until I have walked a mile in everyone's shoes to start telling you all how I feel about YOUR lifestyles. It might take me awhile.
Johanna
Respectfully Cataholic....I couldn't care less about their marital status... my problem is with people having things....whether it should be children or anything else...that they cannot take care of and then expect others to do it or pay for it.
I agree with you about affordable health care. But I also think people should think ahead and take responsibility.
I read in today's paper...a woman wrote in that her son had been suspended from school for visiting an "inappropriate" web site and wasn't it really the school's fault for not supervising him better.
Actions has consequences and those consequences are my responsibility.
ES- you are correct, people **should** take responsibility, and that includes being able to pay their way in this world. I do wonder, though, if that was the nature of the comments posted in this thread.
I can assure you it was the nature of mine...
VERY lovely pm I just received from one of our NEWEST members...
nice, very well worded, wouldn't you agree?
And, really, I don't like the tone of your 'threats'....
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jennifert9 wrote on 04-06-2005 04:27 PM:
Johanna, I'm sure you make a great lawyer because you take offense to EVERYTHING! Not everything is directed at you and you are NOT the center of the universe! NEWSFLASH!!
I assume you were talking about me in your recent post and now YOU have offended ME. And trust me honey, I can argue with the best of them so you may have just bit off more than you can chew. I never said I didn't believe in sex before marriage. I said I didn't believe in having children "out of wedlock" And yes, I will say it again "OUT OF WEDLOCK". Not outdated, used by everyone and whether you like it or not, PEOPLE ARE JUDGING YOU! SURPRISE! At least I have the decency not to bring a child in to this world for my own personal gain. I am what is called r e s p o n s i b l e....The last thing this world needs is more children. There are PLENTY that need to be adopted.
I have morals, plenty of them which is WHY I don't have children, I have had the same boyfriend for 5 years, in fact, I LIVE with him. Does that offend you? I hope so. You are judging me by your standards and apparently those of the Catholic church, none of which I subscribe to. So next time you want to spout off and ruin everyone else's good day, do it somewhere else.
BTW, it is Cat-a-holic...not CATHaholic..silly, silly, silly girl.
That's right and the reason I didn't post it here is because not everyone needs to be subjected to your opinionated, judgmental, over-sensitive spouting. Why do you always think that everyone is out to get you? You made your decision, get over it. If you have regrets bring them somewhere else to discuss them, not here on Pet Talk. If you want to discuss this further, we can do it out of the public eye so everyone here doesn't have to listen to it. Grow up.
And by the way, I have been a member here since 12/4/2001, long before you joined, and have just recently started posting again. So don't think for one second that you can make me leave or intimidate me by bullying me like you are on a playground or something. Stop following me around PetTalk. Don't you have anything better to do?
You are so far out of line...so far.
I am sorry Johanna..... I recently received my first nasty pm (which is probably surprising since I can be rather outspoken as well) and it hurt.
In fact, I was hesitant to respond on this thread because I did not want to say anything you might find offensive.
Am I being judgemental?....I suppose so. I think getting pregnant while living with mom and dad and not having any insurance is a rather immature and shortsighted action.
Hmmm....I was wondering who you were referring to, Johanna, because I knew ES, Gini, Lizbud, Richard, me or most anyone else that posted here would never "expel her ideas of morality" on you (the others I don't know well enough to make such comments about - sorry). I know you are very capable of handling yourself so all I'll say is I'm sorry that anyone judges anyone here. I will just never understand why people feel they have the right to push their judgements on others. :confused:
jennifert9 - I don't know you at all, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if you were to get pregnant "out of wedlock" since you are not married and are having sex. Birth control has been known to fail you know.... Oh, but of course, you would immediately get married right? An abortion is obviously out of the question....
Sorry, didn't mean to side track this thread anymore than it already is. :o
Since you are SO familiar with things here in PT land...where do you begin to suggest I think anyone is out to get me? Or, that I am judgmental? Opinionated, yes, judgmental? No.Quote:
Originally posted by jennifert9
That's right and the reason I didn't post it here is because not everyone needs to be subjected to your opinionated, judgmental, over-sensitive spouting. Why do you always think that everyone is out to get you? You made your decision, get over it. If you have regrets bring them somewhere else to discuss them, not here on Pet Talk. If you want to discuss this further, we can do it out of the public eye so everyone here doesn't have to listen to it. Grow up.
And by the way, I have been a member here since 12/4/2001, long before you joined, and have just recently started posting again. So don't think for one second that you can make me leave or intimidate me by bullying me like you are on a playground or something. Stop following me around PetTalk. Don't you have anything better to do?
As to talking on PT about things in my life..well, I am kind of of the opinion that many, many people on here are my friends, and that they enjoy hearing about my son, my cats, etc.
I suppose when I get the idea this is all in my head, I will reconsider.
The reason for my original post remains the same.......it was a question regarding the cost for the emergency care.
I believe the habit of having babies "in" or "out" of wedlock is here to stay - and my post was never intended to be a judgement call.
But........the fact remains that this young couple found themselves at the emergency unit of a local hospital in the middle of the night.
He told me that she was losing so much blood that her lips were turning blue. And they had to sit and wait for treatment because there were no beds available.
The question does come to my mind however, that if this had been life threatening for her - he as the boyfriend could make no decisions for her. No one else was at the hospital with them.
Other personal details about them isn't important here.
Can we move the urinating contest back into PM land?
ES- For once, I agree with you on one thing......RESPONSIBILITY. (First richard, now me, god help us all)
People need to look to themselves first for the solution to problems, and also should do one hell of a lot more to avoid them in the first place.
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Originally posted by Lady's Human
Can we move the urinating contest back into PM land?
Pee biscuit, LH, pee biscuit.
Sign, yes...I will go back to my own world now. Plus, it's quittin' time at the salt mines....he he he
See what an evil thing that Viagra is???
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ES,
The operating rooms/ER rooms are good portion of the 'profitable'
side of running a hospital..
I am sorry but I cannot give you an exact % as far as monies go....I'd say about 15-20% for meds and 'replacement parts'
another 50% in surgery costs and 30 in regular hospital stays.
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For the record.......
SEX is what caused her get preggers and miscarry.
Not to look at what caused the hospital stay is kinda dumb.
Look at Peter Jennings.....he's got lung cancer and people will rip him an new arse for smoking and possibly bringing that on himself.
I do think that the situation was discussed with a llittle decorum.....no one was name calling or demeaning....
I was merely questioning the couple having relations without recognizing the possibility of an "Oopsie".....
It's more a question of maturity and responsibility.
LH,
Welcome back....
If it was Paris Hilton, Madonna or ????
I wouldn't give a flying handshake.......It's the nameless women in my life that are costing me money.......
Every once in a while I get behind a person who is paying for her groceries with food stamps......Now if I am paying for their food, I am paying for them to have more kids, and when the kids get sick they go see the doctor on MY DIME!!!!!
Wow, I leave PT to take my dogs for a walk and look what
happens.:p
Sara, I'm very curious to know who sent you a nasty pm. I've
only had one in all my time here & I posted it ,as Johanna did,
and NEVER got another one.:D
The person was good enough to keep the beef between us personal so I'll respect her too and do the same....:)
I agreeQuote:
Sorry IRescue452, but this comment just turned me off. If you don't like it here, there's no one stopping you from leaving and going to a country where poor college students get insurance just like everyone else.
ANY physician can discriminate.Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
That being said, whether you approve of a person's life choices or not, the doctor has no right to reject a patient who needs medical attention no matter what. Maybe some people do make irresponsible choices. That still doesn't give a doctor any right to reject them. Doctors are there to help people. Whether a person is single, married, male, female, whatever.......a person who needs medical attention IS a person who needs medical attention. If a women has a miscarriage, the doctor should be there to help her.....NOT help her based on whether she got pregnant by her husband, boyfriend, or in a rape. The doctor has no right to discriminate, period.
There are docs out there that will not prescribe BCPs or do an abortion if the patient comes to them in a non life threatening situation....
There have been times when I have seen a doctor "step aside" because they had some kind of prejudice.
It's totally different in an emergency situation. A physician is bound by medical ethics to provide care to an injured/ill patient
But there have been the occasions where a doc may bypass a car accident for one reason or another.
:confused: :rolleyes:
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I just have to take this arguement down the political path once more- Now don't read this as a party line....I am pretty ignorant when it comes down to the Constitition, BOR and all the other
important documents that the country is built upon...
I know that there are people who want to blame GWB for every mess we go thru......
(I was starting to get suspicious about the earthquakes around the Indian Ocean.......)
He is the guy in charge but can we look at what gets the money spent here in America??
Before (in the old days, when politics was a gentleman's sport
:rolleyes: ) The parties worked together to get us ahead...Now it's just vitriol and stupidity that rules the roost.
BOTH PARTIES act like a bunch of spoiled a-holes if THEIR bill doesn't pass intact......it's a personal affront to all those fat, lazy
politicos if there is a line added, deleted or changed in a bill...
No room for negotiation anymore.....and that is what is screwing us up-
Take the healthcare reforms that Hill and Billary were trying to get going...the Republicans weren't gonna go for it unless there were changes, H and B weren't about to change anything so the whole process died.....who do we blame for not being able to compromise in the issue?
It goes back to responsibility.
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Yes, it's a ridiculous amount of money but let's move this into another realm....
Appendectomy,
Uterine Fibroids or menstrual hemorrhaging.
Motor Vehicle accident.
Those are emergency cases that with the exception of the MVA need surgery.
I just don't see anyone sitting on the ground, in front of the building, trying to decide to IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY to go in....
Harder yet to try and figure out if you can afford to take a loved one in because it's gonna be a hell of a bill later on.
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Popcorn,
I just want to tweak you nose a little....
The Health care system in the US is FAR FROM pathetic.
Every few months you get a person that is brought into the U.S. for some specialized type of care....Why?
We do have cutting edge technology here.....
The billing and insurance issues need to be kept separate from the care and diagnostic issues.
Getting a bill from 18.000 dollars don't seem so bad when you realize that in some far flung places on the planet there are still women who do drop dead from blood loss because there are NO FACILITIES to give her a decent chance to live.
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A spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down.
;)
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P.s. I have noticed that there is way more sunlight left in the day when I leave work.......That's been going on since Sara and I have been in agreement....:D
PCB, I have a good job, and trust me, my health insurance is FAR from free.
Here in NZ it is similar to Britian, infact we have a reciprocal health agreement with them, in other words my son can get free treatment over there, especially ,as he has the right of abode, not sure about a true blue kiwi..but I think so.
Her treatment would be free here, we pay per item on a presciption, people as myself on a lower income are fortunate to have a community services card which allows us to pay three dollars per item instead of around 15, we also get cheaper doctor's fees.
I do however have private medical insurance, it is very hard for us to afford, but I consider it a priority, because the waiting list is too long in Public hospital, if I have something serious needing attention I will go private, it only covers surgical treatment and specialist visits if we have surgery,but it is better than nothing, it costs around 1200 dollars a year for my whole family.,it will get more expensive as we get older, and that is when the worry will be, can we afford it then?
At present I had to wait for my daughter to see a specialist through the public system, because of a cancellation we were able to get in after only waiting 2 mths, that is pretty good , and it was not something that needed urgent treatment, it just depends on what you are waiting for.
We are always strongly urged to take out insurance when we travel, especially via the states.
I hear it is suppose to rain later this week....
Richard....when exactly was this....
It began at the beginning. Adams and Jefferson. Heck, challenges to a duel were not unheard of.....There have been elections that would make the last couple look like junior high school in terms of viciousness and vitriol.Quote:
The parties worked together to get us ahead...Now it's just vitriol and stupidity that rules the roost
Let's talk the Civil War.....civil in this case does NOT mean they were being nice to each ohter....:D ;)
Devisiveness and stupidity aren't anything new....
It was just the secret handshakes and mysterious deals that I was talking about....I refer to the small 'give ins' that everyone made to get the machine rolling....Quote:
Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Let's talk the Civil War.....civil in this case does NOT mean they were being nice to each ohter....:D ;)
Devisiveness and stupidity aren't anything new....
Not telling anyone to EFF off during a meeting.
Now we get CSPAN all day long and the elected officials are under a microscope. they can't afford a mistake....we'll see it minutes after and the poor oaf will spend the rest of his term trying to figure out how to get re-elected...
:rolleyes:
PCB....today....providing benefits to employees cost employers an average of 42%. In other words for every dollar employers pay in salary/wages there is another $0.42 they pay...on behalf of the employee in benefits. Your dad has been very, very lucky to always have employers who pay 100% of the insured benefit cost.
I was just with a client. Insurance cost per month for a single employee just over $600.00 per month. Ouch!
Sounds to me someone needs to take their own advise. I have said some things that I know not everyone agrees with, and others have said things I dont agree with. But to PM someone and attack them where others can not see, thats cold, wrong, against normall morals. When I saw Cataholic's name for a seciond I thought it said catholic, but I looked again and saw I was wrong. For the seciond I thought it was catholic I thought wow cool she's proud of her religion. When I found out I was wrong I thought wow cool she likes cats. I know some people dont like my opinions but what is a board for if not to post opinions to be debated by a wide diversity of people. If you dont like hearing others opinions, dont read them. You choose what you look at. She never forced you to read her opinion. O and if you think that now I am following you, stop flatering yourself I'm not.Quote:
Originally posted by jennifert9
That's right and the reason I didn't post it here is because not everyone needs to be subjected to your opinionated, judgmental, over-sensitive spouting. Why do you always think that everyone is out to get you? You made your decision, get over it. If you have regrets bring them somewhere else to discuss them, not here on Pet Talk. If you want to discuss this further, we can do it out of the public eye so everyone here doesn't have to listen to it. Grow up.
And by the way, I have been a member here since 12/4/2001, long before you joined, and have just recently started posting again. So don't think for one second that you can make me leave or intimidate me by bullying me like you are on a playground or something. Stop following me around PetTalk. Don't you have anything better to do?
Timely media stuff................
Last night I watched an interview with a pharmacist who refused to fill order for BCPs because of his religion...
(that's me in spot light losing my religion.....)
And this morning there was ANOTHER recall of a med....I forgot the name....because the side effects caused strokes, heart attacks and skin diseases...
The newscaster also mentioned that Celebrex has some side effect but it would NOT be recalled because the benefits 'outweighed the drawbacks'.....
Must have been a guy from the Chicago area (forget exactly where). Don't remember all the details but it was a CVS Pharmacy. Their policy is that they leave it up to the individual pharamacist as to whether he will dispense certain drugs or not - according to his religion. I belive the Governor (or somebody) is now trying to make it a law in Illinois that no-one can refuse to dispense a drug - no matter what their reasoning (i.e. religion, race, sexual orientation, marital status or whatever).Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
Timely media stuff................
Last night I watched an interview with a pharmacist who refused to fill order for BCPs because of his religion...
Richard I among other's here were quite distraught that Vioxx was withdrawn, I found it an excellent drug, with minimal side effects, luckily I was on average only taking 4 pills per month, I am now on Arcoxia, this has not been approved by the FDA, so you will not have this drug in USA , so I am told, but I am waiting for it to be withdrawn as well, it is only a matter of time, interesting fact that Celebrex has not been.
My blood pressure has risen, and is borderline these days, but I donot know if it is due to the drug I took, or whether it is because I gained some weight back that I had lost, when my blood pressure was quoted as being Excellent.
My mother dropped dead 2 months after starting celebrex...no problems before that...just be careful.
one friend at her work (human hospital where I bumped into while visiting my grandfather) -- we were talking about bills and taxes -- she told me ANY nurse/doctor WALK IN that door where screaming preggie ANYTIME is (for ANY reason) costs you more than $3,000 PER. even her and I thought that was really crazy but that's how it is...now to most of hospitals. :(
don't be rude. some of us really AREN'T allowed to leave, so don't assume everyone can, when you tell them to.Quote:
Originally posted by Tubby & Peanut's Mom
Sorry IRescue452, but this comment just turned me off. If you don't like it here, there's no one stopping you from leaving
I'll pick Germany over america any day because thats where my heart is, and I believe its a thousand times better than America, but I'm sure you can say the same about the country you call home. The only thing worse to me than the fact that I cannot escape this "Great Country!" of yours for a couple more YEARS, is people like you that think its just that d@mn easy and feel the need to rub it in our [[people like me that ARE actually trying to get out of this country]] faces in your childish arguments with the comment "if you don't like it, then leave!". Have you ever tried to just "..Leave!"? its rude to me and all the others going through the Actual struggle of trying to just "Leave!".
Believe me, If I were allowed to, I'd be on the very first plane back to MY home, *right now*.
It is kinda hard to leave, I don't have a passport.:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by LKPike
Have you ever tried to just "..Leave!"? its rude to me and all the others going through the Actual struggle of trying to just "Leave!".
$80 and you wait a month. :p however it doesnt do me much good, when I have only 5-6 months to spend legally in my country, before I have to come back to "great" america.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
It is kinda hard to leave, I don't have a passport.:confused:
Well,Quote:
Originally posted by LKPike
$80 and you wait a month. :p however it doesnt do me much good, when I have only 5-6 months to spend legally in my country, before I have to come back to "great" america.
It really isn't the 'great' place we all think it is...but you have to admit we have given the world some really groovy stuff....
Tang, velcro, television and Disneyland...Not to mention Tomahawk cruise missles, JDAMs and F-117 planes..
lol its fine to look at it like that, I'm not bashing America or Americans or anything that they 'gave us'. I can't stay here because I'm not comfortable here, I'm in Germany as often as I can.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
Well,
It really isn't the 'great' place we all think it is...but you have to admit we have given the world some really groovy stuff....
Tang, velcro, television and Disneyland...Not to mention Tomahawk cruise missles, JDAMs and F-117 planes..
I don't like the lifestyle, I don't like the language, 5 churchs and 6 mcdonalds on 1 street, its just not Home for me. My mom wants to move back to Germany too, which would probably make it easier for me to "just leave". but after her ex-husband she developed agoraphobia. :( Good luck getting her to walk 8 feet away from her house, its impossible to even think of her on a plane :rolleyes: