What a surprise ?

Laura, you are an amazing woman! I admire your style and I love how you handled what surely must/could be an emotional post for you.

I have a sincere question for everyone. I wondered about this when the original thread was active. I noticed that Sirrahbed and PCB's comments were basically the same but only Sirrahbed's post was quoted and remarked upon. This makes me wonder if sometimes it's the way things are worded? I'm sure it has nothing to do with Muslim or Christianity does it? Do we feel safer attacking/debating christianity because most of us understand it better? Is it just something as simple as one person being able to express themselves more eloquently?

Don't nail me please! I really am curious.
I would also like to say that I LOVE reading anything PCB writes. I find her to be very mature, kind, and gracious so please know that I am only asking why the different reaction.

I will add, in support of PIF's post, I was the one that got personal first..and wasn't clear why people were directing their anger towards PIF, rather than me.

Other than that, I thought the term 'dummy' was the the word for our term- pacifier. I didn't take it to mean 'dummy' as in not smart. BUT, even still, dummy is hardly a major no-no in our language.

I didn't go thru the thread in it's entirety so I'll keep this short.

I would suggest a book written by Randy Shilts, The Band Played On.

It's a story about the AIDS epidemic and the people who managed to track down it's origins and the people who pooh poohed the growing illness.

AIDS is a disease of opportunity.

No more, no less.

I could catch AIDS from giving mouth to mouth to an accident victim, getting splashed with blood during a fist fight, using a dirty needle or having sex.

Because it lies dormant for such a long time, the exact point of infection could never be discovered.


Years before it became known as AIDS the medical community
labeled the symptoms as FUO, fever of unknown origin.

Back in the late 70's I worked with a nurse who died of FUO...

Years later I realized that he did have AIDS and even though the medical community didn't know what was going on, It was pretty scary to see someone, anyone waste away in that fashion.

It's not just a gay disease.....It's a people disease.

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Originally posted by Cataholic
I will add, in support of PIF's post, I was the one that got personal first..and wasn't clear why people were directing their anger towards PIF, rather than me.

Other than that, I thought the term 'dummy' was the the word for our term- pacifier. I didn't take it to mean 'dummy' as in not smart. BUT, even still, dummy is hardly a major no-no in our language.

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'threw her dummy out of her pram' does refer to a baby's dummy, the plastic toy with soft teat, I did not know of any other meanings. :(

That is what I thought...I re-read your post above, and it seems like you are giving it OUR meaning...not your meaning- of pacifier. So, anyone that thinks what you are saying when you say she threw her dummy out of her pram NEEDS to know it isn't some major slam you are making.

Maybe I am the only one that was confused...not the first time, lol.

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Originally posted by PayItForward
'threw her dummy out of her pram' does refer to a baby's dummy, the plastic toy with soft teat, I did not know of any other meanings. :(

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Well, I guess I'm not gay.....I know what soft teats are.;)

This is one of those time where I'm not sure what to say or how to say it. But I'm going to give it a try. Silly me!

First to the Aid's comment...............WOW. So wrong in many ways. Aids is not a gay issues it is a human issues. And, if any time you are trying to say that God is punishing my child because she is Gay, Something she can not help, I take strong offense to that.

Now to the deletion of the thread. I look at it this way. In life once your words are spoken, there's not a delete button to hit, to make them go away. They are out there and once they are put into the air, you have deal with them. If the conversation gets off track, as a lot do, you deal with it. By being able to delete something, is in a way the same as a person putting their hand in you face, in the middle of a conversation, saying "stop I don't want to hear your words, your views mean nothing to me" Is that not out of line? Just asking.

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personal attacks and slams against this website are uncalled for!

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I don't think she was attacking this website, just stating her views on things. Just as it had been done before in a thread not to long ago about there not being enough moderators here. No one got mad then or thought it was slamming the site. I too think that thread should only be able to be deleted after so long and before any one posts on it. Doesn't mean I'm slamming PT, I like PT. I just have a different view on deleting. That's all!! It's not going to stop me from coming here.


About PIF being rude or out of line. Maybe she was, Maybe she wasn't. I'm not going to say. But who here hasn't at on time or another? You might think she was out of line, I might think you where out of line, for the aids comment and some might say I'm out of line. here. But don't judge someone for doing just what you have done yourself. It's like that old saying " Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" (something like that) If you do throw a stone, be prepared to have the stone thrown back at you and don't get made when it does.

My problem with PIF's remarks were the constant "my forum" comments. If it had only been once or twice ok, but it was in two or three different threads. I want what I say on PT to stay on PT. I don't mean to be disrespectful here PIF but if this thread was intended to be on your forum then that is where it would be. Believe it or not I don't like the fact that the thread got deleted either but that is the right of the poster on PT. Making suggestions for changes is fine but I felt like you kept pushing it.

As far as the smiley face making the comment a joke, it could still be taken as a nasty joke and caused hurt feelings. Yes, I know that Chrangharris caused hurt feelings too but the difference for me is that I don't think she did it intentionally while you meant to hit a slammer home.;) :D (note smiley face;) )

Cataholic- shame on you for getting personal!
Now this goes back to my question...Is the difference in how people react because of how it is worded?

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Originally posted by Fox-Gal
It's like that old saying " Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" (something like that) If you do throw a stone, be prepared to have the stone thrown back at you and don't get made when it does.

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I actually dislike the glass house analogy.

I'm more of a "Don't throw rocks straight up into the air."


Gravity, ya know.....;)

Will somebody answer my question???

Gotta Love Ya Richard!!

Yes, it makes a difference on how things are worded here, just as in real life.

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Originally posted by catcrazylady
Will somebody answer my question???

Gotta Love Ya Richard!!

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WELL, even though you shamed me :)

I don't know that I can....as the posts seem different to me. You mean DEB Harris and PCB, right? NOT Chris Harris and PCB, right? For me, it is probably something to do with history (as in PCB and mine) that makes me read PCB posts more softly. I do not agree with PCB when it comes to these topics, either. But, I do see her walking and talking the religion thing consistently. I don't see her starting the hot topics, or deleting the things when they get out of hand. AND I remember her age (my secret ;) ).

I guess I just don't READ them the same way.

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Originally posted by catcrazylady
Now this goes back to my question...Is the difference in how people react because of how it is worded?

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I think for me it has a lot to do with it. PCB states her position without being insulting, or looking down her nose at people. She doesn't insinuate that she's sitting in judgment of people. She only states what her religion and the Koran teach her and her. She can post her beliefs without making us all feel dirty, stupid, or less of a person than her. She also respects our views. She and I are absolute opposites on these types of issues, yet we remain good friends. :)

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Originally posted by catcrazylady
I have a sincere question for everyone. I wondered about this when the original thread was active. I noticed that Sirrahbed and PCB's comments were basically the same but only Sirrahbed's post was quoted and remarked upon. This makes me wonder if sometimes it's the way things are worded? I'm sure it has nothing to do with Muslim or Christianity does it? Do we feel safer attacking/debating christianity because most of us understand it better? Is it just something as simple as one person being able to express themselves more eloquently?

Don't nail me please! I really am curious.
I would also like to say that I LOVE reading anything PCB writes. I find her to be very mature, kind, and gracious so please know that I am only asking why the different reaction.

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I think one major difference with PCB's comments were that she didn't go the "don't use drugs and don't be gay" route.

But yes, I feel more comfortable discussing Christianity than Islam, because I grew up going to Christian churches and I've been able to develop my own views about what is in (and what's not in) the Bible. I don't have the same familiarity with Muslim writings and teachings. And frankly, enough people in this country bash Islam without knowing what they're talking about, so I'm not joining in that chorus.

Also, I don't think any of this is about "attacking" Christianity. It's more about pointing out when Christianity is being used to justify something that isn't, in the views of many of us, very "Christian" behavior.

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Originally posted by Cataholic
WELL, even though you shamed me :)

I don't know that I can....as the posts seem different to me. You mean DEB Harris and PCB, right? NOT Chris Harris and PCB, right? For me, it is probably something to do with history (as in PCB and mine) that makes me read PCB posts more softly. I do not agree with PCB when it comes to these topics, either. But, I do see her walking and talking the religion thing consistently. I don't see her starting the hot topics, or deleting the things when they get out of hand. AND I remember her age (my secret ;) ).

I guess I just don't READ them the same way.

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Yes, I am referring to Debbie's post.

Ok, then does that make it fair for the other? I mean we have Debbie posting and I'm sure her feelings are hurt when she seems to be picked out when she made almost the same exact statements as PCB. I was just curious as to why that happened. Sorry I'm getting this thing way off track but I found that interesting from the very beginning of the original thread.

Very interesting responses. Thank you all for answering because I was really very curious.
I think I will try to be very very careful in how I say things!;)

Well....I don't think people took to Debbie's posts the same way they took to Chris' post. OR, maybe everyone, including me, is overlooking the difference in the Harris name? I still don't see the exact sameness as you do. I guess you need to do what is called a line and page for me....take each of their posts, and line them out...with references to each place you see similar stuff....LOL.....you got the time, don't you?

Here's a rule of thumb.

Read everything thru 3xs.

Before you answer.......

When in doubt, walk away.

When in real doubt, crack a joke.

Still in doubt??? Accept the other person's opinion.

Totally confused? Go watch television.

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[B]My problem with PIF's remarks were the constant "my forum" comments. If it had only been once or twice ok, but it was in two or three different threads. I want what I say on PT to stay on PT. I don't mean to be disrespectful here PIF but if this thread was intended to be on your forum then that is where it would be. Believe it or not I don't like the fact that the thread got deleted either but that is the right of the poster on PT. Making suggestions for changes is fine but I felt like you kept pushing it.

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I run the same software and that is why amendments I make to my site can also be made to this site. I am being pragmatic and offering a solution to a problem, which upset several people.

I have also PM Karen with the actual settings to be altered to only allow people to delete their own posts not the entire thread. Karen & Paul are thinking about applying this amendment, I hope they do.

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As far as the smiley face making the comment a joke, it could still be taken as a nasty joke and caused hurt feelings. Yes, I know that Chrangharris caused hurt feelings too but the difference for me is that I don't think she did it intentionally while you meant to hit a slammer home.;) :D (note smiley face;) )

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You are entitled to think what you want but you are wrong it was a joke...I found the situation very very funny.

If you want to read bad into my posts that is up to you but as they are my posts I know how they were intended. If wrote a joke and said it was a joke it is a joke no matter what you think.

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Originally posted by Cataholic
Well....I don't think people took to Debbie's posts the same way they took to Chris' post. OR, maybe everyone, including me, is overlooking the difference in the Harris name? I still don't see the exact sameness as you do. I guess you need to do what is called a line and page for me....take each of their posts, and line them out...with references to each place you see similar stuff....LOL.....you got the time, don't you?

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Ok, there you go! I just said I would have to be very careful in how I said things! I should have said their posts were "similar" very "similar" not almost exactly the same. :rolleyes: My fault and now I'm beginning to see why I keep my behind out of here!!;) :D

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Originally posted by RICHARD
When in real doubt, crack a joke.

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LOL, I tried that !

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Originally posted by PayItForward
LOL, I tried that !

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I know.....I love a good row......fight......not the water, boat thing....;)

PIF, I tried to pm you but your box is full. I like a good joke better than a good fight, unless it's kitty boxing. Now that's fun to watch.

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Originally posted by dukedogsmom
PIF, I tried to pm you but your box is full. I like a good joke better than a good fight, unless it's kitty boxing. Now that's fun to watch.

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Kitty Boxing !!!!

I have delete a few PM's or you can email me at [email protected]

The only thing I even care to post at this point is to dear Laura! Laura, I would never want to hurt you, and I in no means have tried to today. I have always valued your opinions, your friendship and enjoyed all of your posts. I am far from perfect, and I have sin in my life daily, as I always have and will have. NONE of us is perfect, nor ever shall be! I try my hardest to live by example, but because we are human and therefore FAR from perfect, that is hard to do. :rolleyes:

There are things in my life today that I see my daughter repeating, even after I have tried to show her how devastating they have been for me ... yet she still has chosen the same sinful path. It is very difficult to raise a family these days, in this society, in this world. We live in a sin-filled world, and no race, religion, or gender is immune to it's grasp.

Although I was raised in a very STRICT Southern Baptist household, there was much imperfection going on right before my eyes. However, I somehow "believed" that our family was PERFECT! Through the years, I have awakened to the harsh reality that NO family is perfect, as is no person. I have even in recent years left formal religion, as far as attending a church. :( This really saddens me, as it keeps me from worshipping my Heavenly Father in the way He deserves to be honored and adored. Why have I left the church? Because of hypocrisy (sp?) within the "christian" members! I am the first to tell you that there are many hypocritical christians, just as there are in any religion or whatever. I strive daily to commune with my Father God through constant mental communication, prayer and praise from my heart. It saddens me to hear and see so many people doubting God's Love and assuming that God allows disease and sin and death. He loves each and every one us, regardless of our ways .... but He gives us the loving CHOICE to follow His laws or man's laws. I can only pray that my beliefs are indeed His wishes for my life, and honestly try to help others as much as I can, by what I have learned from the Bible .... which I believe is the "infallable Word of God".

To anyone I have offended, I am sorry. Truly sorry. Laura, I do believe it is possible to both love and serve God, regardless of other choices we have made. By saying this, I am NOT suggesting you change your lifestyle, I am saying that I DO believe you can be a good person, and love the Lord without necessarily being "perfect". Of course, what do I really know? What do ANY of us HUMANS REALLY know? I prefer to cling to my Faith that God is in control, and that as long as I have my heart and eyes looking up to HIM for guidance in my life, that one day I will be blessed to see His face in Heaven.

Sincerely,
Kim

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AND, to further expand on CID's thoughts, assume, Kim that she DID say what you are suggesting...can't you see the issue with drawing such a comparison? Do these two concepts- drug abuse and homosexuality REALLY belong in the same class? Religion aside, that these two concepts are to be painted with the same brush is bizarre. To me, it suggests bigger problems with the believer than we are addressing here and now.

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Johanna ... I have stated all I really wanted to say in my above post ... but this is the part that some people don't understand about "us Christians" .... there is never (at least not for me) a "religion aside" .... I'm sorry but to me, religion is my way of life, it is not something I can "use" one day and not the other.

Kim

"WOW" could describe my thought whilst reading through this thread.
While generally i'd agree with some of the things PIF says are hurtful, in my opinion the things that were said against gays and how the "parents" would react to their child being open and honest to them on their sexuality was utterly disgusting and disheartening.

You get what you dish out.

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FINALLY! A marriage proposal! We can raise Jonah together! He will know tolerance, utter devotion towards the felines and canines, adore Chuck Johnsons (isn't that what those shoes are called? LOL, I am old), all types of music, and all types of people!

Do we have to live in Florida, though?

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LOL could you imagine.... between our age, genders, and multiple pets, plus one baby boy.. the stares and comments we'd get!? :p
Their Chuck Taylors... i'm sure you can get them in baby sizes. ;)

Oh.. and NEVER.. whenever I move out it's going to be faaarrrr from Florida! (although the weather was very nice today.. in the 50's and sunny!)



Laura, I'm sure you know this already.. but you're truely an amazing and wonderful woman.

Laura how you can remain calm and cool amongst all this i will never know, it has already been said, but you truely are an "amazing young woman" one I would be extremely proud to call my friend. Hugs.:)

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Johanna ... I have stated all I really wanted to say in my above post ... but this is the part that some people don't understand about "us Christians" .... there is never (at least not for me) a "religion aside" .... I'm sorry but to me, religion is my way of life, it is not something I can "use" one day and not the other.

Kim

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I didn't mean it the way you took it. I didn't mean, "put your religion aside". I meant, putting aside the religious aspects of the discussion, isn't there a fundamental difference in being sexual preference/orientation and drug abuse? For example, religion aside (just my word choice) isn't there a difference in drug abuse and killing ten children? Sure, both are 'sins', but, I think there is a gradation there, also.