Unbelievable!!:eek: :mad:
Printable View
Unbelievable!!:eek: :mad:
Um, that's just strange that they would do that!!!
Weird!!!
:rolleyes:
People from that site contacted me and said, in part:
Without mentioning Peanut by name, she said she had been contacted by one cat's owner annd that that image would be taken down.Quote:
By no means are we leading anyone to believe these kittens are available for adoption or that they were kittens previously adopted through or organization. NEVER before, prior to you has anyone ever thought the pictures were anything more than decoration.
I am hoping, after I forwarded her the proof - the links - that she will remove our other images as well.
I know they are a shelter, and are doing important work, but surely they have plenty of adorable kitties whose photos they could use.
Hip Hip Hooray for our Mayor.
Peanut - you owe a big head bumpie to Karen!:D
I also got an email that was a cc: of what they sent Karen, along with this note
It amazes and disappoints me that you would even care that the picture is being used for such a good cause. Nothing was "stole" as nothing is copyrighted. It will be taken down.
I feel sorry that you would act this way.
It's as if they are trying to make us feel guilty for not helping such a worth cause. :rolleyes: I wrote back and said that I would have had no problem whatsoever - if she had only asked first.
As of 5:11 pm cst, Peanut is still there, but I'm thinking that's just because they need to contact whomever did their site to take her down.
I must disagree with this statement. Having worked in publishing for a long time, I know that a photograph is covered by copyright the instant it is "fixed in tangible form" and that includes a digital photo "fixed" in computer memory. Without doing anything (such as publishing it, registering it, or putting a circled C on it), the photographer holds the legal copyright of the photo as the creator.Quote:
Nothing was "stole" as nothing is copyrighted.
When you submitted the photo to POTD, you transfered your ownership of copyright to POTD as explained by Karen. The shelter, despite the good work they do, is not legally allowed to alter or reproduce and distribute the images without permission of the new copyright owner, POTD.
Copyright law is very complex and in some places "gray." However, on this matter it is quite clear. Don't let them make you feel guilty for defending your rights.
OMG - Is this person brain dead? I'd never "borrow" a photo from one site to put on my own. I don't even like to use clip art on my website for fear of this very thing.Quote:
[i]It amazes and disappoints me that you would even care that the picture is being used for such a good cause. Nothing was "stole" as nothing is copyrighted. It will be taken down.
I feel sorry that you would act this way.
How would they act if they happened across a picture they took - no matter if it was of their cat, their vacation or their son? Its freaky to see something you did appear out of nowhere.
Geezm and without your permission! That for sure is Peanut. I mean, at least put your own cat pictures in! :rolleyes:
geez!:eek: I would get soo mad if i saw my cats face on a adoption website:mad:
Im sorry that something like that happened to you
I'm sure Jenluckenback and plenty of other cat recuers from this site would be more than happy to send pictures of "real" adoptable cats/kittens. Is there such a thing as a picture of an "unadoptable" cat/kitten? Does any picture of Magoo make you do anything but awwwwww, how sweet and dear... The road to Hell is paved with good intentions - WHICH IS NOT SAY GOOD INTENTIONS ARE EVIL OR WRONG. But in this case I would say totally uncalled for and un-needed. Special needs cats/kittens - just like special needs children are even more loved in the Lords eyes
Unfortunately, i've seen Simba's pictures used many times, without my permission. I've also seen graphics I've made for others without my permission. You'd think they'd understand and just use their own cats. I mean, it's not like their pictures (from what I saw on their petfinder site) are of bas quality.
Hmmm... seeing as how Princess Peanut is now a supermodel posing for a rescue, maybe you should charge them a "fee" for using her photo on their website.;)
This whole thing just isn't right, they stole the photos from Cat of the Day, plain and simple.:(
this is the email that i sent them afew minutes ago.
"Are you aware that your shelter is ILLEGAL?!? Almost all of the photos of cats and kittens on the left side of the screen are STOLEN pictures of peoples' pets that were posted on catoftheday.com. I, along with our whole site, is appalled that your 'innocent' kitty shelter is run by CRIMINALS. I wouldn't be surprised that all 8 cat owners, whose personal property YOU stole, sue your stealing 'shelter.' We are all notified and you will be hearing alot from the Pet Talk group from dogoftheday, catoftheday and petoftheday.com!!!!! I hope that this will stop and you will realize that what you have done is wrong. Please, do the right thing!
~upset Pet Talk member"
i wrote "Adopting some kitties!!" in the subject slot, so i think they will open it and see it faster.
It really was a stupid thing to do. Copyright laws or not, it's just common decency to ask for permission before posting other people's pictures. I don't think we should beat them up over it though. I am sure that they learned their lesson. Hopefully from here on out, their pictures will focus on their adoptable cats instead of our kitties.
I can't believe how rude they were about the situation! You'd think they would have given you a decent apology instead of trying to make you feel guilty.
Wow, I am surprised that this group wasn't more apologetic.
Their site said this "Our kittens come from around the country and you will find the unique, the rare mixes as well as the cutest of the cute here. Unfortunately we aren't large enough to save them all (yet), so we do hand pick the best for you! "
They did hand pick the BEST, they chose COTD pics.:)
It amazes and disappoints me that common courtesyQuote:
Originally posted by Tubby & Peanut's Mom
It amazes and disappoints me that you would even care that the picture is being used for such a good cause. Nothing was "stole" as nothing is copyrighted. It will be taken down.
I feel sorry that you would act this way.
has gone so far by the wayside that they don't even ask permission to use what belongs to someone else. Being a "good cause" doesn't give you a free ticket to do as you please. I think they are faling to understand that using the picture isn't the problem...not asking is!
Oh my! If I saw my kitty on there I would be SO MAD! :mad: :mad: :mad: The owners should sue the site! Please keep us updated!
Woah! :eek: I would be SO ticked off if I came across a website using pictures of my pets without asking. You'd think they'd at least apologize, but they're trying to make you feel guilty instead. How low can one get? :(
I am totally shocked. Completely shocked! Has anyone emailed Petfinder as well? Because isn't Petfinder like a "sponsor" to that specific shelter?
My goodness.. I would be completely dismayed if someone thought they could take one of my pictures without asking. Sad that they don't even care :(
Edited to add: it's 7pm PST and all the pictures are still there.
It astounds me that a shelter can't use their own cats, and kittens as a banner, or at least go to one of the "free graphics" sites and use those! And then to add insult to injury, try making everyone feel guilty about this outright theft. :rolleyes: :eek: :mad: I guess we'll all be seeing what the outcome is in a day or so. I'm curious as to how long this has been going on? :confused:
The audacity! :mad:
Has anyone heard anymore from them??
Sammy - see my earlier post about what they wrote back.
I have not heard from her since my response to her.
Karen ... it will take longer, but you may have to use the "no right-click code" on all of your Pet of the Day pics! If you need the code, I can send it to you! ;)
Also, I haven't checked the link again to see if Peanut's picture is down ... but if you keep clicking the same link, it will show anyway... you will have to refresh your browsers to see any changes! ;)
My shelter (Cats4Keeps) is listed on Petfinder.com, so I have access to the management. I have sent an e-mail informing them of this illegal use by this other shelter! I hope this will help!
Kim;)
Just saw this and am very disappointed in the pet shelter/rescue community. Why would they do this to their own? They have no pretty cats? What the h? I will support anyone who wants to pursue any legal action; should that deem a positive move for pettalk in terms of our privacy being guarenteed!
It is 1:20 AM on 11-13-04 in Ohio and all the COTD pics are still there.......
people are shameless.
:eek:
I wanted to say the same thing. They are not right. Basically the copyright is always with the creator. He can transfer the right to other people (like to Karen when you submit a picture) but if the right hasn't been transferred to you then you don't have it.Quote:
Originally posted by Kona & Oreo's mom
I must disagree with this statement. Having worked in publishing for a long time, I know that a photograph is covered by copyright the instant it is "fixed in tangible form" and that includes a digital photo "fixed" in computer memory. Without doing anything (such as publishing it, registering it, or putting a circled C on it), the photographer holds the legal copyright of the photo as the creator.
When you submitted the photo to POTD, you transfered your ownership of copyright to POTD as explained by Karen. The shelter, despite the good work they do, is not legally allowed to alter or reproduce and distribute the images without permission of the new copyright owner, POTD.
Copyright law is very complex and in some places "gray." However, on this matter it is quite clear. Don't let them make you feel guilty for defending your rights.
Coypright law (especially international copyright law) is very complex but whoever publishes on the internet should have a basic idea about it.
I definitely agree that the designers of the site should have asked permission before using the photos on their own site. I agree that their reaction to being approached about their mistake was anything but professional. I do think, however, the best way to respond is politely and professionally. I don't necessarily think it should be just left exclusively up to Karen to contact them, but, I do think we could maybe try to avoid resorting to name calling in our communication with the site. It's more than likely one person putting the site together, and, it looks to be a very basic site at that. It's quite possible that they didn't know it was illegal. Folks are always copying and pasting photos to show them to others. Whoever did this could have possibly honestly made a mistake. Again, I'm not saying it's not right and that they shouldn't be aware now of the laws and that they should ask Karen for permission (if it's not too late, from them being less than apologetic to polite requests). I'm just saying that maybe being hateful about it might a bit counterproductive. Just my two cents, I'm not flaming anyone.
Kim, I understand that the "no right-click code" would help protect the pictures from illegal use, but how about those that want to save the picture of their own kitty with the CatoftheDay sign? I have my Juni's picture and I also have some of my favorite kitties on PT, he-he, of course, I am not using them for any other site or callendar :)Quote:
Originally posted by kimlovescats
Karen ... it will take longer, but you may have to use the "no right-click code" on all of your Pet of the Day pics! If you need the code, I can send it to you! ;)
quote:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
By no means are we leading anyone to believe these kittens are available for adoption or that they were kittens previously adopted through or organization.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bull!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEVER before, prior to you has anyone ever thought the pictures were anything more than decoration.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Translation: Never before, prior to you has anyone ever CAUGHT us using the pictures for decoration.
Debbie,
Great catch!!!
I'd be furious if any one of MY cats were on there. Oh and, btw, their grammar sucks!!! The proper word is "stolen" not "stole". They sound like some backyard rescue organization to me. When they say they're kittens are "hand picked", they probably drive around the streets picking up other people's pets. I hope petfinder.com bans them. They certainly make the legitimate rescue orgs look bad.
11/13/04, 7:40am, COTD pics still up...
Great job, Karen and T&P's mom.
Sorry for the double post, but I just took a look at the "death row" babies they claim are up for adoption. SOME of the pictures look awfully suspicious to me. Especially the Maine Coons, of which they seem to have an abundance of. They look as though they've been taken by a professional photographer, which alot of breeders have done to advertise kittens for sale.
Another thing...these people claim to rescue these babies from "kill shelters". If they have already been rescued out of the shelters then WHY do they have THIS on each and every one of the kitten's links:
This baby is on DEATH ROW and doesn't deserve to die. This sweet baby may die never knowing love or safety. Can you open your heart and home and give this sweetie a second chance at love? PLEASE HURRY!
THIS BABY CAN BE EUTHANIZED ANY DAY!!
SAVE THIS LIFE!
PLEASE DON'T LET THIS SWEET BABY DIE.
I smell a rat here. I hope petfinder.com looks into this further.
I have also emailed them and told them I'm interested in adopting a kitten. I want to find out what (I think) their scam is. I'll let you know what I find out and how they respond.
As of 8 a.m. this morning (Saturday) Peanut's pictures is gone but the rest of them are still there.
I sent them an email. Here's what I said:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi!
My name is Donna Ploss and I was searching your website looking for a cat. I recently lost my siamese mix to old age and was wondering if that beautiful blue eyed siamese on the ladder on your web page is still available. I have a special place in my heartfor siamese cats and would love to give this one a great home. I'd prefer to give an older cat a home since the kittens seem to be placed very quickly.
I live in Ecorse, Michigan and figured since you do transporting, this wouldn't be a problem.
Please contact me at [email protected] to give me all the details. My phone number is 313-388-1573.
Thanks for your help. Hope to hear from you soon!!
Donna
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll let you know what their response is.
oh Debbie - I thought it was rather cute that they had Peanut on there at first - even though I DO agree this is wrong and they should have asked. What I feel terrible and angry about is that they would respond back to you by trying to make YOU feel guilty!!:( :o
If I saw one of my pets used this way, I believe I would act the same way. First I would feel flattered, but I would feel that I should write to them and chasten them for stealing. If I got that response that you did, I would just feel awful. They are an organization and that response was just rude and mean!!:mad:
That is just awful! I would be so ticked off if they did that! :eek:
Just checked the site again.. and they only took down Peanut... and nobody else! :rolleyes:
A few of the pictures are different now.
Wonder where they stole them from?
I was wondering.. Maybe it's time for a new POTD, COTD, and DOTD sign/award?
One that can't as easily be photoshopped out?
Maybe something like this?
-shurgs- I dunno... just an idea ;)