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Thanks for giving me that link.
It's nice to see what they're saying about us, since they know absolutely nothing aobut any of us! :)
Especially this:
Since no one who has posted yet, doesn't own a Grey, it obviously means we know nothing, right? :rolleyes:Quote:
Ummm.... I see absolutly no grey pets there... all other pooch pics. They obviously are talking out of their *eyes* (nice).
This is what I don't understand. Let's assume that everything you say is right. And that greyhounds live happy racetrack lives and so on. To me it just seems wrong that a person would breed an animal for profit, then once it's done making a profit they hand it over to a rescue for someone else to take care of so they can do it all over again.
I have six hounds :D
As I've said before there is good and bad in everything.
There are people out there that race there dogs for no money. It's called coursing.
I've been a greyhound trainer, I know many greyhound trainers. We love these dogs. There is just no way not to.
Yes there are bad people, yes dogs get put down. I never said and never will say that this doesn't happen.
It's just not wide spread as some believe. that's all
Four of my six came straight from the race track. Warm loving dogs scared of nothing. Yes there were things that they didn't know about. Stairs for one thing but how many dogs are born and raised in a home that doesn't have stairs? lots
My GSD at 6 months old had never had a collar on her, never knew what a leash was, didn't know stairs, didn't understand that humans were good and nice, warm and loving.
It can and does happen to every breed out there. sad :(
Responsable breeding and placement is what each and every breeder should do.
Breed only good quality to good quality and then make sure that there is a program set up for you to find the dogs homes.
Some in the greyhound industy do this some do not :) :(
When you say hand them over to rescue for someone to take care of.
Greyhound owners have tried to place the dogs themselves. Often the adoption groups frown on this because the breeder didn't do a home vistit, didn't do things properly like an adoption group would.
Some owners pay for everything for the hound to find it's forever home and some don't. Some pay part some don't.
The reason I send the dogs that I own to adoption groups is that they are darn good at what they do. Better than I would be.
I've tried to do the placements myself and don't seem to do a very good job.
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Originally posted by Uabassoon
This is what I don't understand. Let's assume that everything you say is right. And that greyhounds live happy racetrack lives and so on. To me it just seems wrong that a person would breed an animal for profit, then once it's done making a profit they hand it over to a rescue for someone else to take care of so they can do it all over again.
The thing I don't get is... why breed a dog, race it, then when it no longer can race -- get rid of it?
Do people not get attached to these dogs, love these dogs? Why would they want to get rid of them?
It's just like the idiots who breed Pits, fight them, then if they lose they dump them to die if not already dead. I don't think anything could be AS bad as that, but IMO very similar.
I depise people getting "rid" of dogs unless it's for a VERY good reason, such a they aren't capable of taking care of themselves, let alone another life.
The very first thought that came into my mind was it was way too big of a coincidence that this person joined today.Quote:
Originally posted by K9soul
I'm guessing "greysandmoregreys" is one of Cali's friends recruited over here to dispell the stupid myth of mistreated and ill used greyhounds. :rolleyes:
Come to think of it the spelling in this sentence looks awfully similar to Cali's
*edit* Ugh, finally had time to read this whole thread. I just read what they had to say over there on that board. Nasty.
We do get attached to the dogs. But do you think it would be best for these people to take the dogs back to the farms to live out there lives or to send them on to homes where there will be two or three other dogs to share a home with?
If I could take each and every one of my dogs home I would but how happy would they be if I had 50 dogs living in my house?
I feel it's best to place them with people that will enjoy them as much as I would and will have the time to give every dog in there home.
It's a great day when I hear from someone that has adopted a dog from me and tell's me how much they love this hound and how it has changed there life.
I had one hound that lives in a Nursing home. Have another hound that watches out for a woman that has seziures and lets her know when she is about to have one and nudges her until she sits down.
I would never have met so many wonderful people who love these dogs just as every bit as much as I did if I didn't allow these dogs to be adopted.
If I could take them all I never would because I know that there would never be enough time in every day to love these dogs like there new adoptive homes do with just a few animals in there homes.
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Originally posted by Kfamr
The thing I don't get is... why breed a dog, race it, then when it no longer can race -- get rid of it?
Do people not get attached to these dogs, love these dogs? Why would they want to get rid of them?
It's just like the idiots who breed Pits, fight them, then if they lose they dump them to die if not already dead. I don't think anything could be AS bad as that, but IMO very similar.
I depise people getting "rid" of dogs unless it's for a VERY good reason, such a they aren't capable of taking care of themselves, let alone another life.
But WHY keeping breeding these dogs, until theres 50 or so that you own or have to get rid of?
There's so many other breeds and dogs already that need homes that could bring as much, if not more, joy into the lives of these people who have obtained these greyhounds.
I just do not agree with getting a dog and then getting rid of it.... and I don't think i'll ever understand the concept of such so I think we should end it at just that. :)
I don't want to get into all of this, but...
My dad's best friend Randy and his wife just recently adopted a "retired" greyhound....
He is only 3 years old, has scars and is way underweight, the place told them that he will probably gain 30+ pounds now because he's not racing anymore, meaning he is very underweight.
He is very nervous and shy, they have owned him for 2-3 weeks and Randy just recently was able to pet him.
He doesn't seem like he was treated very well, and was obviously part of someones life for 3 entire years and was just tossed out.
I agree with Micki, Twisterdog, Kay and whoever else who said things along those lines.
The more I read your posts the more I begin to get upset. It seems like you have these greyhounds for your own pleasure and not so much theirs.
Yes, I enjoy the breed very much. I work for a pet sitting agency and have cared for several rescue greyhounds (just giving you some background so you know that I do know and understand this breed. Maybe not as well as you, but I do have some experience with them and love them as a breed).
But I just can't imagine breeding dogs for a sport that is just for your interest. Yes, I know greyhounds love to run, and I enjoy watching them run. That's why running sports such as coursing were made so an owner can bond with their dog and do something their dogs enjoy. Even if you take the best care of your dogs while they are with you I don't agree with your breeding an animal so you can be entertained with it.
This is why I don't support greyhound racings, even if a breeder takes great care of their dog I don't agree in supporting a business that would treat their animals as if they were property.
I do realize that not every greyhound is abused, and I know many of them have happy endings. Many shelter dogs have happy endings, but that doesn't mean a person should breed dogs then go take them there because they can get adopted and have a happy life.
Ironically I met a rescued racer this evening at Petsmart when we went to get Tank a snail. Her name was Daisy and she was sickly thin (still needing to gain 15+ lbs), had a to the bone injury on her right front leg, and had a scary looking old injury to her left shoulder that was never treated and thus the muscle atrophied and so the formerly broken bone healed so that it sticks out. She was scratched and bruised all over. She's been in her foster home for 2 weeks and is adjusting to all the things that she should have been acclimated to as a puppy, such as furniture, mirrors, doorbells, air conditioner noises, etc.
This dog was horribly abused, even if she was never hit.
The husband is the President of Greyhounds Unlimited. I doubt he's lying about the atrocities these animals face. I doubt he's lying about what he deals with EVERY DAY. What he sees on a DAILY BASIS.
Why would ANYONE continue to breed animals KNOWING they’ll just turn them over rescuers in the end? WHY?
It’s all about the almighty dollar.
SICK.
Here's a pic of Daisy from their website:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/micki76/Daisy.jpg
I seen this too. I would never go to one. ever.Quote:
Originally posted by aly
That reminds me of a show I saw on animal planet about a woman who rescues retired greyhounds. She talked about the extensive process of introducing the dogs to different textured floors, grass, carpet, everything! It is quite an extensive process when a dog has been raised in a kennel. I have had a few fosters myself who were scared of the world because of growing up in similar circumstances. It is almost a full time job to try to socialize them to the world when they are past their critical socialization period.
Quoted from Greyhound Unlimited web page
"We take a neutral stand on greyhound racing"
How could anyone take a neutral stance on greyhound racing with all the atrosities that he told you?
Makes me wonder?
Also quoted from there web site where you got the picture:
"Daisy's foster mom tells us:
Daisy came to us from the Forney Road Animal Shelter in Dallas. She had been found wandering loose and a kind soul picked her up and brought her to the shelter."
Now where does it say anywhere that this was a race greyhound? It talks nothing about ear tattos which an NGA registered greyhound would have.
Mickey you stated that it was a retired racer and there you were wrong.
For anyone else that would like to take a look at the whole story about Daisy you can click here:
How can you even be sure that this was a race greyhound? Could have been someone breeding greyhounds for pets, or an
AKC hound, or a coursing dog.Daisy's whole story
Do you not think that these dogs enjoy running? Do you not think these dog enjoy what they do?
Go to a greyhound kennel on race day and take a look you will have a whole different outlook on things then.
These dog LOVE, let me say that again LOVE what they do!!
For my own pleasure? Do you not own your own pets for your own pleasure as well as theres?
If you say that the only reason that you own a pet if solely for there own pleasure and that you get nothing out of it then you shouldn't be an animal owner. Just that plain and simple/
As I said before and I will say again. If you don't agree with it that's fine. Heck my own mother doesn't agree with it but if it's going to be done best to be done right.
So with what your saying that there should be no pure bed dogs. No dogs bred unless you plan on keeping every dog that you bring into this world.
We would be missing out on a great number of breeds if this were true. We would be left with greyhounds, the only dog mentioned in the Bible, and what maybe a mastiff?
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Originally posted by Uabassoon
The more I read your posts the more I begin to get upset. It seems like you have these greyhounds for your own pleasure and not so much theirs.
Yes, I enjoy the breed very much. I work for a pet sitting agency and have cared for several rescue greyhounds (just giving you some background so you know that I do know and understand this breed. Maybe not as well as you, but I do have some experience with them and love them as a breed).
But I just can't imagine breeding dogs for a sport that is just for your interest. Yes, I know greyhounds love to run, and I enjoy watching them run. That's why running sports such as coursing were made so an owner can bond with their dog and do something their dogs enjoy. Even if you take the best care of your dogs while they are with you I don't agree with your breeding an animal so you can be entertained with it.
This is why I don't support greyhound racings, even if a breeder takes great care of their dog I don't agree in supporting a business that would treat their animals as if they were property.
I do realize that not every greyhound is abused, and I know many of them have happy endings. Many shelter dogs have happy endings, but that doesn't mean a person should breed dogs then go take them there because they can get adopted and have a happy life.
I don't think it stated that she was a retired racer because isn't the entire rescue for retired racers??Quote:
Originally posted by greysandmoregreys
Also quoted from there web site where you got the picture:
"Daisy's foster mom tells us:
Daisy came to us from the Forney Road Animal Shelter in Dallas. She had been found wandering loose and a kind soul picked her up and brought her to the shelter."
Now where does it say anywhere that this was a race greyhound? It talks nothing about ear tattos which an NGA registered greyhound would have.
Mickey you stated that it was a retired racer and there you were wrong.
For anyone else that would like to take a look at the whole story about Daisy you can click here:
How can you even be sure that this was a race greyhound? Could have been someone breeding greyhounds for pets, or an
AKC hound, or a coursing dog.Daisy's whole story
NOPE, most if not ALL, greyhound adoption groups and rescue groups will take in any greyhound weather that be a retired racer or a greyhound that is in a shelter with ear tattoes or not.
Several groups will also take in lurchers which for those of you that don't know what a lurcher is they are a cross between a greyhound and another breed of dog. Could be a deerhound, or a coonhound.
I think the difference is at THIS particular board, the members here see taking in an animal as a lifelong commitment. Not our life, but theirs.
I do not have a dog at present, but I have in the past. The thought of keeping them just long enough to use them for ANY reason other than companionship makes me sick. I have two cats. The are now 2 and 3 years old. Did I get rid of them when they stopped looking like a kitten and hand them off to an adult cat rescue? No. And I wouldn't. They are my babies. How dare anyone take in any animal and then cast them off after a couple years. How do you think it would feel to a little kid if his or her parents adopted him out after he stopped fitting into cute little kid clothing, for example? Probably like a piece of crap.
Dogs can't reason like we do, and it's shameful that people who take in a greyhound somehow think it's ok to keep taking them in because they will eventually adopt them out to good homes. These animals love us UNCONDITIONALLY and it is absolutley wrong to get an animal knowing full well it won't be kept in the only home it's known for longer than a couple years.
And really, this is not the first time that Cali has recruited people from another board and used the other boards to talk crap about Pet Talk. Which is pretty disgusting in itself. I've been a member here for about 2 years. These are the most caring, loving, generous, giving, sensitive people I've ever met and they have helped me personally on a tremendous level. These people are my friends, and I respect them. I have little respect for people who come to this board for the soul purpose of calling them ignorant or uneducated.
So, if I'm wrong for having respect for people who take in an animal for LIFE, who care enough for their well being to offer an animal the stability, long term love and devotion it DESERVES then I'm perfectly happy being wrong.
You have not met friends of mine then, the dogs they cannot rehome are ALWAYS kept on as companions, along with the ones they do NOT try to rehome because they cannot part with them.Quote:
A racing kennel will NEVER keep dogs until they find a home.
Gosh, I'm sick of this person talking to us as if we know NOTHING about dogs.
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So with what your saying that there should be no pure bed dogs. No dogs bred unless you plan on keeping every dog that you bring into this world.
NO She DID NOT say that or even mention of it. Responsible Pure-Bred breeders don't keep their animals for years, now do they?
Personally, I treat my dogs as if they are my children. I do not have human children as of now, but my dogs are treated just as I would treat them, if not better.
IMO, what people do to these greyhounds (breed them, race them, dump them) would be like me having a child, raising it, and then giving it to someone else after I've taken it through soccer practice or something.
No one here is denying that greyhounds like to run, but do you honestly think it's the right thing to do to keep getting animals and then giving them off after they can no longer race, as if it were a piece of property?
It's like selling an old 1999 Chevorlet because you wanted a brand new 2005.
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Originally posted by Nomilynn
And really, this is not the first time that Cali has recruited people from another board and used the other boards to talk crap about Pet Talk. Which is pretty disgusting in itself. I've been a member here for about 2 years. These are the most caring, loving, generous, giving, sensitive people I've ever met and they have helped me personally on a tremendous level. These people are my friends, and I respect them. I have little respect for people who come to this board for the soul purpose of calling them ignorant or uneducated.
Exactly!
Another person and I were talking about this last night.
She's talked so much crap about PT, then she goes and whines that she doesn't get many replies to her threads. WELL.. this is why most of the time people ignore her threads. No matter what we say to her, we're always wrong and she's always right, and nothing we say ever sinks in. And then eventually she goes and grabs one of her other board which she's "been a member of far longer than Pet Talk" which in reality this one was only joined a few days before PT was joined. :p
I've been on PT for almost 4 years. I've gained SO many friends - online and in real life - and the people here have shown me there is actual hope that there are GOOD people out there! I've never been to another board that i've been so pleased as I have with PT.
If PT wasn't such a great place.. I wouldn't have driven to Ohio TWICE this year to visit with them, nor would I be flying to Utah this Thanksgiving to spend time with one of my best PT friends. :p
Even after being on other boards the same amount of time as PT, i've never felt the same way as I do with Pet Talk.
I haven't responded since starting this thread only to say that I didn't mean to start anything by it..once I started reading some of the responses.
Let me say this...in my ignorance I did not realize this was such a controversial subject...I only polled it because they were talking about it at work and it made me think it was a good poll to add..
I had no idea it would be such a heated topic. I apologize for my ignorance in asking it in the first place. I certainly did not mean for it to get out of hand.
I am new to pet forums (one month old) and I just wanted to contribute and get to know some people with the same interests as me....their furbabies/kids...I love this place and sure hope no one holds any hard feelings because of my mistake of starting this poll.
~big hugshttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...acieGraves.gif
Pamela, please do not feel as if it were your fault.
It is not your fault at all that these people chose to respond in such a way.
You've done nothing wrong at all :)
Those pictures are adorable!
At least we could still have GREAT DANES!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D ;)Quote:
Originally posted by greysandmoregreys
We would be left with greyhounds, the only dog mentioned in the Bible, and what maybe a mastiff?
GD = grey + mastiff :D :D
*edit* Forgot to mention this...I am definately ANTI DOG-RACING! No way, no how!! Good going to everyone here @ PT who is standing tall for what they believe in!
I am utterly disgusted by any "sport" or "entertainment" that uses an innocent animal, then euthanizes (at best) the "athletes" once they're used up or don't perform well enough. And don't fool yourself into thinking that doesn't happen. If anyone believes that they all are treated wonderfully, are all placed in loving homes at the end of their "careers", then they’re stupid or just have their head in the sand.
Disgusting
I think so too:(
And so does FACE & RITA
I especially hate hearing of the Bull running in Spain, Rita is appauled TOO! "she is from Spain"
I've had pet greyhounds since the late 80's, so I've heard and read the bashing for years. It gets much worse than this on greyhound boards. You have both ends of the spectrum and everything inbetween. There's the anti-racing faction, such as greyhoundracingsucks.com who will settle for nothing less than ending the "sport." There are pro-racing people who lurk on pet boards for the sole purpose of attacking anyone who says that atrocities still exist, and the industry needs improvement. If they can shove the dirt under the rug and drum up some recruits in the process, they're happy.Quote:
Let me say this...in my ignorance I did not realize this was such a controversial subject...I only polled it because they were talking about it at work and it made me think it was a good poll to add..I had no idea it would be such a heated topic. I apologize for my ignorance in asking it in the first place. I certainly did not mean for it to get out of hand.
The truth probably lies somewhere between the two extremes. Most of us agree that the dogs love to run. There's no way you could know that these things are debated endlessly. You have a nice board here. Keep up the good work.
and yet again, YOU dont know the whole story, greytalk is one of the first boards I ever joined, however I used to be Calico23 until my computer was hacked through another boards that is linked to greytalk, I had to resign up to greytalk, and the other board under a different name, AKC bc_girl. and when there was a glitch in the system my account was doubled 14 times somehow, so all but 1 were deleted, it was the wronge one though, so that got be bumped back to the beginning yet again.Quote:
"been a member of far longer than Pet Talk" which in reality this one was only joined a few days before PT was joined.
oh, oh thats right, I went to another board when I was being flamed that NO good breeder in their right mind would feed home prepared or follow a limited vaccine protocal, yes I remeber now, this was back when I was the only one on the board that fed home prepared and follow a limited vaccine protocal, I told you guys that such breeders DID exist, and proved it by bringing over another person who knows these breeders personally, the one is her aunt, the other a friend of theirs. oh yes I have talked cr*p about pettalk before on other boards, I had to vent my anger somehow, obviously I cant vent it here lol and lets see, I have vented my anger on this board on another board ONCE. wow, I am a truely horrable person, that you cant change the mind of, and you cant make me see the light AKA any veiw that is'nt mine. by the way someing you guys should know, not that you care, is that I used to think klike you guys did, then I decided to do my own research instead of just going with the crowd, my mom tought me to do that, she tought me to form my own opinions before walking with the crowd, and I did, more research and EVERY topic I feel strongly about, I used to be on the other side of, cuz well everyone else was, then I formed my OWN opinions, and changed sides, I have been accused many many many times of lying and having never actually done any research, not in the thread itself, people say "good for you for having done research" then PM me calling me a lier who never researched a damn thing.Quote:
And really, this is not the first time that Cali has recruited people from another board and used the other boards to talk crap about Pet Talk
I shall just delete this last part as I have no doubt it will be picked apart, and I will be called a lier once again. by the ways NEVER have a lied on this board.
I know many in the racing industry that do hold their adoptable greyhounds until a group is found. I recently adopted a senior that spent two years on his owner's farm until a group took him. There is good and bad in any walk of life. However, to look at a group as a whole and label them bad, abusive, neglectful, etc. is irresponsible and narrow-minded. A friend of mine, a greyhound owner, has been in racing since the 70's and he has never put down a greyhound. I applaud him and all the responsible owners. I have had owner's donate money and food to our program. I have had them call me to find out where their greyhound was adopted. The racing industry is committed to achieving 100% adoption, I know that we are trying to help them get there.
Some adoption groups like to keep the AR agenda going. They believe it helps them with their adoption numbers. The "save a life" hook is too tempting for them.
Thank you very much for your kind post and input! Welcome to PT :DQuote:
Originally posted by Love Greyhounds
I've had pet greyhounds since the late 80's, so I've heard and read the bashing for years. It gets much worse than this on greyhound boards. You have both ends of the spectrum and everything inbetween. There's the anti-racing faction, such as greyhoundracingsucks.com who will settle for nothing less than ending the "sport." There are pro-racing people who lurk on pet boards for the sole purpose of attacking anyone who says that atrocities still exist, and the industry needs improvement. If they can shove the dirt under the rug and drum up some recruits in the process, they're happy.
The truth probably lies somewhere between the two extremes. Most of us agree that the dogs love to run. There's no way you could know that these things are debated endlessly. You have a nice board here. Keep up the good work.
Sick of me? Sorry that you feel that way. I enjoy being educated on all aspects of dogs. Weather that be poodles or greyhounds, Frenchies, or Great Danes.
I like to hear what all sides have to say. I enjoy expanding my mind and learning everything possible there is to learn.
AKC breeders do this all to often. Showing dogs, breeding to make the standard of the AKC "better" though I beg to differ on that after what has been done to most of the GSD out there kinda makes me sad. :(Quote:
Even if you take the best care of your dogs while they are with you I don't agree with your breeding an animal so you can be entertained with it.
Yes Purebred breeders do keep there dogs for years. They raise a litter of pups. Find a quality pup that meets the AKC standards, show the pup, then if the pup did well in the AKC shows then they will breed that dog to continue on the good lines, and then when the dog is done being bred most will retire the dog and find it a good home.
So what Uabasson is saying according to you that it's just greyhound breeders that shouldn't exsist and that all the other breeders out there are ok?
How about people that breed sled dogs? are they ok?
Or hunting dogs? are they ok?
Or the police that use there dogs for work?
Or the programs that use dogs for hearing impared or sight impaired? What do they do with the ones that don't make the programs? They find them homes. Now they bred them for one sole purpose and if the dog doesn't fit the bill the move it on to a home.
Is this ok?
I really am not trying to piss anyone off, really
I just want people to know that it's not all bad as so many seem to believe.
I started out AR, I believed all the things I heard and the pictures I saw. Until I took it upon myself to go to the inside and see for myself.
I feel I make a difference for the greyhounds. Every hound that is in my care weather that be that I own it or it races in my kennels will have a forever home. No question!!
So I feel I make a difference in these dogs lives
I don't want people adopting them because they feel bad for the dog I want them to adopt because they are an amazing breed.
We all know how pity adoptions go and most of the time it's not a good thing.
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Gosh, I'm sick of this person talking to us as if we know NOTHING about dogs.
NO She DID NOT say that or even mention of it. Responsible Pure-Bred breeders don't keep their animals for years, now do they?
Personally, I treat my dogs as if they are my children. I do not have human children as of now, but my dogs are treated just as I would treat them, if not better.
IMO, what people do to these greyhounds (breed them, race them, dump them) would be like me having a child, raising it, and then giving it to someone else after I've taken it through soccer practice or something.
No one here is denying that greyhounds like to run, but do you honestly think it's the right thing to do to keep getting animals and then giving them off after they can no longer race, as if it were a piece of property?
It's like selling an old 1999 Chevorlet because you wanted a brand new 2005.
Exactly!
Another person and I were talking about this last night.
She's talked so much crap about PT, then she goes and whines that she doesn't get many replies to her threads. WELL.. this is why most of the time people ignore her threads. No matter what we say to her, we're always wrong and she's always right, and nothing we say ever sinks in. And then eventually she goes and grabs one of her other board which she's "been a member of far longer than Pet Talk" which in reality this one was only joined a few days before PT was joined. :p
I've been on PT for almost 4 years. I've gained SO many friends - online and in real life - and the people here have shown me there is actual hope that there are GOOD people out there! I've never been to another board that i've been so pleased as I have with PT.
If PT wasn't such a great place.. I wouldn't have driven to Ohio TWICE this year to visit with them, nor would I be flying to Utah this Thanksgiving to spend time with one of my best PT friends. :p
Even after being on other boards the same amount of time as PT, i've never felt the same way as I do with Pet Talk.
Because I TALKED to these people in person last night. Somehow they didn't strike me as liars. :rolleyes: The last time anything was updated on the site about Daisy was on 10/6. Could they have learned anymore information since then? Wow! Probably so! They told me they KNEW her former racing name. I can't remember it, but it was (something) in the Clover. I guess I could call and bother Steve, but they have an event today, and I'm sure he's too busy to bother with such trivial crap. I don't feel I have to prove anything to you, and even if I did, you aren't likely to change your mind based on anything I have to say. And I think we all know there's no way you're changing mine.Quote:
Originally posted by greysandmoregreys
Mickey you stated that it was a retired racer and there you were wrong.
For anyone else that would like to take a look at the whole story about Daisy you can click here:
How can you even be sure that this was a race greyhound? Could have been someone breeding greyhounds for pets, or an
AKC hound, or a coursing dog.Daisy's whole story
FYI-my name is spelled M I C K I. I'm not a boy.
Cali, your behavior on this board has been this way since I can remember. You wonder why people don't like you, or respond to your threads? Could it be your superior attitude that YOUR way is the ONLY way? Could it be that you look down your nose at anyone who DARES to disagree with you on what you think is right, which is usually against everything that most members of PT believe in?
You have no tact, child. None.
For anyone interested, here's the entire website: Greyhounds Unlimited
And for anyone who's interested to see where these people are coming from, the thread is here.
We're all close-minded and know absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:
Good going, Cali! You sure must be proud of yourself.
wow!:eek: thanks Kay for that link!I've read throught most of the posts on that thread,and i agree with you,they must think that we are close-minded and absolutely know nothing:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
And for anyone who's interested to see where these people are coming from, the thread is here.
We're all close-minded and know absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:
Good going, Cali! You sure must be proud of yourself.
So sorry about the misspelling of your name M-I-C-K-I
was just spelling it the same way as my aunt who spells it
M-I-C-K-Y and she's a female.
I never called anyone a lier, just put the information that was on the website and question that this person, the pres of the group, talked about how horrible the racing industry is but yet the group is concidered neutral.
Again who's to say that it wasn't the adoptive owner that lost there dog? That is all I'm trying to explain. Just because a greyhound is found wandering the streets doesn't mean that people inside the industry just turned the dog loose.
That is all I'm trying to say. Just because it's a greyhound doesn't mean that greyhound racing is to blame.
Take a look at this site
Emmie
Look at Emmie, for someone that didn't read this they would think that this was something horrible that happened at a race track. But if you read it, it shows that this happened within foster care.
Things can be twisted to appear a certain way, but if you look and read you will see that that is not the case.
I'm just trying to inform that is all.
I haven't read much of what has been said past the first to pages, so forgive me if this is a repeat. I have been envolved in greyhound rescue for a couple years now, and I can see flaws in both the anti and pro groups that have been argued here. I'm kind of in the middle-I refuse to be pro or anti racing, I'm just pro greyhound. Cali-I can see where you're coming from, but not every greyhound does get into an adoption group. Not every kennel will hold them until a place in an adoption group opens up, and despite what the Pro racing people say, there are still greyhounds that suffer horrible deaths, get sold to labs, etc. But things are improving, adoption percents are going up. It's much better then it was 20 years ago. As for the anti racing-Not every greyhound is abuse, neglected, mistreated, but not everyone gets a high quality diet either. I've done alot of reasearch on this. It depends on the track, the trainer, and the owner as to how the dogs are treated. I've seen some greyhounds come off the track in amazing shape that have been very well taken care of. I've seen some come out of shelters and homes that where very poorly taken care of. The worse abuse case I have ever seen was a AKC greyhound that was abandoned by a breeder and ended up in a shelter-Not a racer, but I'm not even going to pretend that there aren't cases where racers are treated poorly-there are. Would I ever go to a race? I might once just so I could see what it was all about, but once would probably be enough. My biggest thing against greyhound racing is that there are far to many being bred, there's just not enough good home available for them, but they are far from the abused creatures some of the first posters made them sound like. No, they aren't spoiled rotten usually, they don't get fancy collars, beds, and toys like some of our own pets do, but look at how many people keep dogs chained in thier back yard, or in a kennel 24/7-Most greyhounds are far better off then those dogs!
It never ceases to amaze me the attitudes that people throw around in here. Wow, I just want to say I'm not pro- or anti-racing. I've never been to a dog race, but, I would go if invited. I see nothing wrong with the sport, just as I've never seen anything wrong with sledding. As long as the animals are treated well, then, I'm alright with both. I realize that a lot of the hounds still aren't, but, there are a lot of them that are very well taken care of. This thread has just been kindof sad. And, that's just my opinion, don't bash me for it. :)
fuzziesngreys, I really appreciate your input here. You know I often think on these big issues, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and that's what I tend to believe the most.
You said this:
I think that is a big part of what bothers me, and I also feel that is the case for a lot of AKC show breeding too. On the one hand, I certainly don't want to see any breeds stop existing, but on the other, the way it is now just anyone can go breed. I'd very much like to see some laws or restrictions put in place, such as a required license to breed to get that they must have inspections done and so on. I know it would be very complicated to put something like this in place, these are just musings and ideas on my part. I would love to see greyhounds run, such as a coursing event, but the races that are for the purpose of gambling, I don't have a desire to attend.Quote:
My biggest thing against greyhound racing is that there are far to many being bred, there's just not enough good home available for them
I'm another "newbie" here. Name is Jan, from Denver, Colorado. I adopted my first 2 greyhounds 11 years ago. Then helped start an adoption group, Rocky Mountain Greyhound Adoption. I started out anti-racing, and ended up converting after I actually met people involved in racing and saw race kennels and how the dogs are treated. I found out I was told a lot of outright lies about the poor treatment. And if anyone can watch greyhounds arrive at the track for races and not believe they love racing... I'm now a licensed kennel helper, and I own 1/2 interest in a racing litter.
For anyone in Colorado, or passing through Colorado, you have a standing invitation to visit our adoption kennel, which is on a greyhound farm. If you have time, I'd also be happy to go to the track with you and arrange for a paddock tour.
For those who can't make it, check out the webpage we did for our 10th year reunion event:
RMGA 10th Year Reunion
No lure, we didn't use the starting box, and those dogs had the best time back at "work."
Im not sure whats so funny...I too am sickened by all of this, and very tired of it going on and on just because of one thing.
That pitties finds it so amusing sure makes it seem like he/she is involved.
And that's a surprise?Quote:
Originally posted by K9soul
That pitties finds it so amusing sure makes it seem like he/she is involved.