Scooter- pregnant!

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Don't you realize you are contributing to the over population of cats by NOT spaying her??????

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Don't you realize that YOU are contributing to the over population of idiots? Currently, your probably wondering who I am, why I am here, and why I am insulting you, but we shall get to that.

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It's stupid, idiotic pet owners like yourselves that create feral, unwanted, hungry, abused and abandoned cats. You make me sick!!

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I thought the point of these boards was to having discussions, not insult sessions. What you do (or don't in this case) think of Scooters owner doesn't carry over to the situation at hand. It was insulting, rude, and unneccisary.

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Young lady...if you truly love animals they way you say you do then you would be doing everything to can to stop the suffering of so many unwanted and abused pets.

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I like how all of you "responsible" pet owners out there have decided to go ahead and assume that these cats will be abused. You don't know any history on the owner at all, so I must congratulate you. In my books you look to be the ignorant ones.

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Where does the money come from that finances the vet, food, medical bills??? Out of our OWN pockets.

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I say, that if you are spending money to save cats that you don't want in the first place it's a pretty good waste of your own resources. All it buys you is another reason to complain and think you are better than other people.

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If you haven't been out trapping, rescuing, contributing to the homeless shelters, educating, managing your own herd, etc., in my opinion, you have no real voice. That you are actually contributing to the problem is shameful.

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Yes, way to encourage the demoralizing of a fellow board member. Good for you. Bullying others to gain a sense of superiority.

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That's called inbreeding and many, many complications can occur from that.

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Yes, but look at the royal family. There are all inbred, and I can't see anything wrong with that </sarcasm>

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THAT says it all!!!!

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I like how "all" in this case is defined as whatever you think is right or wrong.

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What are you going to do with the kittens you decide not to keep - the "unlucky ones," I guess?

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Well, you could drown them, or whack them over the head, or whatever...just to be blunt you know. OR, if you like being humane, then we send them off to people who put tons of money out of their wallets to take care of cats who will ultimately end up dead anyways.
Please note, that I am new to this forum, and I've probably already made some enemies with this post, and some friends. If I had offended anybody that I didn't intend to offend, then I apologize. I'd like to say hello to everybody.

You know, I went home last night and I thought to myself, maybe I shouldn't have posted on this thread. I thought, Maybe this is a pointless argument - this girl is too young to get her pets spayed on her own, and she's probably just doing whatever her parents say. And I agree that some of the rudeness could be toned down a little. But I don't blame anyone for being rude, whether intentionally or not, because it's just extremely difficult for some of the rescuers on this board to see a cat accidentally get pregnant, and hear that the owners don't want her spayed. It's frustrating to them because they see it all day long. I am not a rescuer, so that part of it doesn't bother me quite as much. What did bother me was the idea that many litters would result from an unspayed kitten and her offspring, contributing to overpopulation, and fears for the health of Scooter. I have decided to drop out of this thread because 1) arguing is pointless here and 2) I have no way to control the pet population of Saskatchewan over the internet. So I'm done.

And that's all I have to say about that. :D

QueenChyna,

I think your latest post on this subject was so much better. Yes, sometimes we do have to have things explained to us over and over. I don't remember everyone's stories of their lives right off hand. You said some things in this latest post that were much better and explained your position better than just making the statement that you are not worried about getting Scooter spayed. As if spaying her was totally unneeded.

Try looking into some low cost spay/neuter clinics to help you out. Perhaps then your parents wouldn't be so inclined not to get Scooter spayed. There are options out there but I can understand your frustration in people dumping their unwanted pets on your doorstep.

You see...like I said before. You are the only one who has the power to communicate to the board what your full situation is. Think when you post as to what you want people to know about you before making a "throw away" statement such as

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i think she is a year old. now she is pregnant, and she has not had her kittens yet but i hope soon! no not worried about getting Scooter spayed. she is a good cat. she is so cute!!

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This gave us all a much different impression of you and your attitudes. I am sure we would all enjoy pictures and the progress of Scooter. Especially if you still worked at finding a way to have her spayed after the kittens are weaned.

Denyce

ps...thanks for getting rid of the internet slang.:)

All I have to say is...I can NOT believe this thread! I am just rolling my eyes. (probably not for the reasons you think, so don't take that offensively) I have decided not to join in, (anymore) it is pointless. (IMO)

All I have to say is.

1) Don't tell lies.
2) Don't contribute to pet overpopulation
3) Try to tell us the situation and we'll try to understand.

...I think that's all.:confused:

Well, I just read this entire thread and have mixed emotions.

First of all, I see that QueenChyna sure has a great love for animals, like her parents as well. I'm sure they're doing a lot for all the animals on their farm. I assume the farm is located in a rural area where giving birth is always a happy and natural event.

On the other hand, I understand very well the frustration of those who are fostering or volunteer in the shelters; after all, they see day by day what happens to all these cats - the ferals, the strays, those who have been abandoned, those who are sick with various diseases because they never have been vaccined...

From what I understand, QueenChyna has grown up in a family that looked at these things in a different way, and sometimes it takes some time - and some experiences - before somebody is ready to change his mind.

QueenChyna, during the last couple of days, I have written an article for my new website, www.catmom.de . It's about spaying & neutering and I hope is sums up all the reasons why a cat should be spayed/fixed. I have translated it into English today and I apologize in advance for the lousy translation, I still have to work on it... But please read it.

Kirsten

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I say, that if you are spending money to save cats that you don't want in the first place it's a pretty good waste of your own resources. All it buys you is another reason to complain and think you are better than other people.

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:confused: :confused: :confused: Not worth to even comment on that! :(

Kirsten

This has got to be one of the most funniest threads I have read in a very long time. How someone can waste their time on someone who cannot on their own fix the problem their parents made is beyond me. Yelling and carrying on isn't going to do anything. And as far as Finigan goes, Denyce you've just given them exactly what they wanted. ;)

I thought it was pretty funny too, coming from my perspective, but I didn't want people thinking I think the whole thing about spaying/neutereing is funny so I didn't mention it.

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How someone can waste their time on someone who cannot on their own fix the problem their parents made is beyond me.

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Well, maybe not fixing problems the parents made, but maybe acting more responsible with the own pets as an adult later. But I agree that yelling won't help much (even though I can understand the frustration of those who have yelled)...

Kirsten

I just read this whole thing too...

Passing Judgement is bad, but I do think that the reason why people were "rude" is because they are passionate about what they do. The life of a rescuer is a hard one, and sometimes cirtain topics push hot buttons. I think QueenChyna needs to understand where these people are coming from and respond back in a rational manner. *Which I saw that she did, so thats good*

This thread has gotten a bit out of hand. I've noticed that cirtain persons feel the need to post only in situations where it would afford them the oportunity to flame someone.

:rolleyes: is all I have to say.

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I thought it was pretty funny too, coming from my perspective, but I didn't want people thinking I think the whole thing about spaying/neutereing is funny so I didn't mention it.

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Yes homeless pets in the world IS NOT funny. But the thread could have been taken in a new direction. Wouldn't it have been nice if someone had provided links to sites that offer guidence in caring for a pregnant cat? How to socialize the kittens once they are born, how to look out for possible signs of complications during pregnant and labor, how to know when to take the cat into the vet for a c-section of a shot to help speed labor along if the cat is not pushing? This is what I am talking about. Though I've done a LOT of rescue and am currently caring for three ferals recently thrown out of a window on my doorstep I know that yelling at someone about what they are doing wrong isn't going to help. Being polite is almost always going to get your furthur. Being so young you do not have as many choices as she would have, say if she was 20 with her own job, own house etc.

Cass - I agree, I think QueenChyna really cares about animals and could be helped by education and not yelling. Finigan on the other hand is just here to punch buttons and boy did they punch mine!:(

I agree with you Cass! Education is a lot better at solving problems then ranting. Not that I don't understand WHY people are ranting, I just think it could have been handled a bit better.

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Originally posted by Kirsten
Well, maybe not fixing problems the parents made, but maybe acting more responsible with the own pets as an adult later. But I agree that yelling won't help much (even though I can understand the frustration of those who have yelled)...

Kirsten

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I agree with the later as an adult thing, but what is yelling at her going to do right now? All we can do is politely give links and references, maybe post photos of people cats you have taken in that were neglected etc. to help change her mind. People must learn that not everyone is going to listen, no matter how hard you pound it into their head. All you can do is hope that what you said sticks somewhere in their brain and they decided to act more responsible. But if someone refuses to listen there is really nothing you can do about it, and yelling at them and making them angry, especially someone so young is only going to make things worse.

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Originally posted by jazzcat
Cass - I agree, I think QueenChyna really cares about animals and could be helped by education and not yelling. Finigan on the other hand is just here to punch buttons and boy did they punch mine!:(

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Well I've come to learn it's just best to ignore those people, or else you are giving them exactly what they want, attention and LOTS of it. ;)

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All we can do is politely give links and references,

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I agree this is the better way.

Kirsten

I've been reading this thread, and just have to say something now. I totally understand where you all are coming from, and agree with you all too. I'm glad many of you posted what needed to be said in a nicer tone. Posting with harshness and personally abusing others ends up giving the opposite effect of what you really want. Posting so harshly makes YOU the bad one. Educating someone with love and kindness is much better than cussing at them. Its just something I have learned over the years. When people tell me something in a harsh manner, I don't want to have anything to do with them again, much less listen to what they were saying. When someone else comes to me and tells me the EXACT same thing, in a kind and caring way, it has a totally different effect. Not only do I listen to that person, but I appreciate the advice they had to give and begin to respect the person too. Things could have been handled in a better way. There's never a reason to use abusive language towards someone you're trying to educate. It won't work.

I posted earlier and then deleted it because I did not want to look like I was agreeing with Finigin. I, under no circumstances, think it is a good idea to allow pets to reproduce. There are already so many cats/dogs euthanized each year because their "owner" was not responsible for them, which makes me sick.

I do, however, think that there is a better way to get your point across. I know many of you are tired of people being irresponsible and you being stuck with the burden, but that gives you no right to barrage this young woman with insults. People are not going to listen because they'll be on the defensive to explain their "side of it."

Basically, all I'm saying is: QueenChyna, you should speak with your parents about having ALL your pets spayed/neutered. I understand you take care of the ones you have, but there is no need to bring more into this world when there are so many being euthanized in shelters. :(

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Basically, all I'm saying is: QueenChyna, you should speak with your parents about having ALL your pets spayed/neutered. I understand you take care of the ones you have, but there is no need to bring more into this world when there are so many being euthanized in shelters.

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Calliesmom said it best, I guess. I'm done with this thread. It's like beating a dead horse.

For those of you who are being "humane" by saying every animal should be spayed/nuetered to prevent cat reproduction, who are you to decide which animals should get fixed and which ones shouldn't? If we fix every goat in this world (example) then would we be able to have any more goats? No. Whose cats get the luxury (and reproductive organs) of not being fixed? I mean, you have to keep at least one or two little critters around to keep the babies pumping, otherwise you may end up with no kitties. And everybody loves kitties.

I don't know why I am answering this question..BUT there is honestly no way that every cat will be spayed/neutered. There are too many irresponsible/selfish people in this world. AND YES, I think a person is irresponsible if they allow their cat to get pregnant and then dump her/babies at the shelter so they can be someone else's problem.

You bring a cat into your home to love them and provide the necessities they need to have a happy, healthy life. A happy, healthy life does not include allowing your cat to have litter, after litter, after litter when there are 11 MILLION cats and dogs euthanized each year. 11 MILLION? Do you have a concept of how many that is? Those creatures did not ask to be born into a world where they aren't loved and are killed for it. That simply sickens me.

PS I do understand that there are circumstances under which a person can no longer keep a pet/pets, but it is your responsiblity to ensure them a new home or take them to a no-kill shelter.

Just One Litter

Accidental Litter

Debbie, those were SO sad. :( *wipes tears from eyes*

Thanks for sharing. I hope QueenChyna will understand what everyone's saying after seeing those slideshows.

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well well well, it seems that everyone is starting to be nice, I think Finigan gave some of you a taste of your own words. but he is doing the same thing that some of you did to me.

Some people are being very nice and a big thanx to that.

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I'm glad many of you posted what needed to be said in a nicer tone. Posting with harshness and personally abusing others ends up giving the opposite effect of what you really want. Posting so harshly makes YOU the bad one. Educating someone with love and kindness is much better than cussing at them.

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well someone actually believes being nicer works.

well i am not saying i do as much as everyone else, but most people don't realize how much stuff i do and assume i am young so i can't possibly do this and do that but i have rescued cats, dogs, and even a lot of the animals on my farm which lots of people don't realize how hard it is but some do, just in other perspectives.

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Wouldn't it have been nice if someone had provided links to sites that offer guidence in caring for a pregnant cat?

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and i want people to ask me if i know how to do this and that because i know how to take care of a pregnant cat, i know how to take care of alot of things. i would prefer if people please asked me if i knew how, not just asume cause i am younger, i don't know. i don't mean to be mean.
so please don't asume what i can and cannot do.

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Thanks for sharing. I hope QueenChyna will understand what everyone's saying after seeing those slideshows.

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Theres another for example! please don't do that! it makes me angry.

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Originally posted by Finigan
For those of you who are being "humane" by saying every animal should be spayed/nuetered to prevent cat reproduction, who are you to decide which animals should get fixed and which ones shouldn't? If we fix every goat in this world (example) then would we be able to have any more goats? No. Whose cats get the luxury (and reproductive organs) of not being fixed? I mean, you have to keep at least one or two little critters around to keep the babies pumping, otherwise you may end up with no kitties. And everybody loves kitties.

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Coming from a breeder, and also a rescuer I know the many lives that are lost each year due to people who breed irresponsibly. There are MANY responsible breeders out there who are breeding to better the breed and create more loving, healthy companion animals for those who do love and appreciate what purebreds offer. There are already tons of breeders out there doing this, with PUREBRED animals, not mixed breeds. If you breed a cat who is not purebred there is no known history of genetic flaws etc. And why make more when there are already so many others out there doing the same exact thing?

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Originally posted by QueenChyna



and i want people to ask me if i know how to do this and that because i know how to take care of a pregnant cat, i know how to take care of alot of things. i would prefer if people please asked me if i knew how, not just asume cause i am younger, i don't know. i don't mean to be mean.
so please don't asume what i can and cannot do.


Theres another for example! please don't do that! it makes me angry.

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I wasn't assuming. :rolleyes: I was just trying to make a point, sheesh.

Also, why would those links make you angry? It's a fact, there is nothing to get angry about except being mad at all the people who contributed to those animals dying.

Yes, why would they make you angry? We are JUST trying to educate those who might be uneducated! Some people just let their cats run off and have kittens! What if there was a problem?? Some people just let the kittens go, and then find them in a couple weeks and then they will be wild! Or, there might be complications. We are just trying to help.

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Great links Deb...I stuck them aside for others to see...going off to beat my head against brick wall now... :rolleyes:

i am not mad at the links, i am mad because people are saying things to me that i already know, thanx for telling me about them but i really don't need people to directthem to me.

Judging by this thread, I think you do:rolleyes:

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Judging by this thread, I think you do

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you think i do what????

Ok, I am going to make this clear enough for you to understand, but still try to be nice.

YOU NEED TO SEE THOSE LINKS, AND BE DIRECTED THEM. We are taking our time to show you these, we obviously find it important. And it IS! Very important. Did you even watch them? We're trying to tell you this as nice as we can, but honestly, just watch them, and THEN maybe you will be thinking differently.

THINKING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT WHAT????
please answer me this time

No point in getting uppity about people trying to help. Having an attitude doesn't help matters much.

Again, I'm going to explain this nicely, even though it is plain as day.

We are trying to help you, nicely. You need to understand that many cats die every day because of people like you. You need to stop letting all your cats have kittens, because they're kittens haave kittens and so on. Just THINK about it for a moment, do you have any idea how many kittens you could get? And what happens to them? They DIE. But that is probably better for them, than the life they would get anyway. We just care about the cats.

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No point in getting uppity about people trying to help. Having an attitude doesn't help matters much.

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i am trying not to get mad, but it seems that people are not understanding what I am saying. i am not trying to be mean and i don't want to start a pointless long argument.

All you need to do is spay and neuter ALL of your cats. There is no reason for you to be mad. It's us that should be mad, but we are saying this nicely.

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All you need to do is spay and neuter ALL of your cats.

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yes i know, i have already gone through that in all my other post but please read some of the other ones, because it seems that you are not understanding what i am saying.

How many cats do you have? Please answer truthfully.

How many were kittens of your other cats because they were not spayed/neutered? Please answer truthfully.

How many are neutered?Please answer truthfully.

How many are spayed?Please answer truthfully.

How many are still reproducing?Please answer truthfully.

Where do you get them spayed?Please answer truthfully.

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How many cats do you have? Please answer truthfully.

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i have 8cats

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How many were kittens of your other cats because they were not spayed/neutered? Please answer truthfully.

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4 cats

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Where do you get them spayed?Please answer truthfully.

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in a city