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No more than we like hearing how you hate children. You never said one word about the environment when you started. Not one word, just that you were not fond of children.
I can understand WolfChan, she has always stated her beliefs here out front, and I respect her for that.
We have enough resources on earth for everyone. Unfortunately, those resources aren't divided evenly. Some people have too much, some have too little, and some resources aren't in the hands of anyone, but the fact is, God has made enough for all of us.Quote:
Originally posted by ILoveReptiles
:rolleyes: It really must be nice to be so blissfully ignorant of the degradation of the environment. I noticed how you said you didn't even give a thought to overpopulation.
Thanks.
People don't think of overpopulation when they have kids. They think of their lives, their family, their future. Do you want the whole world to stop reproducing, so that after this generation, the whole human race will be wiped out? My goodness. Its only NATURAL for human beings to have the desire to bear their OWN children. Yes raising an orphaned child is incredibly rewarding, and a wonderful thing to do, but still, there is a different feeling when it comes to a child that developed in your own womb. I cannot comprehend the hate both you and Wolfchan have for children. I mean, I can understand people not liking kids, or getting annoying them, but hating them as if they were trash? Gosh! Remember.......you were children once. I would wonder how you would feel if your parents didn't love you, or had the same feelings towards kids as you do. I would hate to even think of my parents not thinking of me as a blessing, or even my relatives.........aunts and uncles not thinking of me as a blessing. I know you don't choose to have kids, but will you also hate the children of your brothers/sisters? Will you never show them the love that every child deserves from their aunts? I honestly, find that very, very sad....... I can understand you not enjoying too much kid talk, but all this hate for kids makes me incredibly sad.
Pets bring love, they bring joy, they bring happiness, but they don't live as long as kids, and they won't be able to care for you when you reach old age, and they won't be able to help you when you have financial burdens etc. (when they grow up). Kids and pets are a whole different issue. They don't compare. Just ask any parent, and I'm more than positive that they will tell you they love their kids even more than they love their pets. It is only natural.
Ps. Logan, you can brag to me as much as you want......you're very welcome to. ;)
Well I wasn't aware I was under any obligation to include that at the beginning, seeing as this did start out as just me venting about my frustration at hearing people constantly talking about their kids.Quote:
Originally posted by trayi52
No more than we like hearing how you hate children. You never said one word about the environment when you started. Not one word, just that you were not fond of children.
I can understand WolfChan, she has always stated her beliefs here out front, and I respect her for that.
I can respect that you are sick of hearing me yammer on about how much I can't stand them. So I guess we're even on that count.
As for always expressing my beliefs - well, I'm sorry you don't think I am clear enough in that respect.
Very well said Poppie! I couldn't agree more!
WOW. Having gone from childless to childsoon in Zero to 4 months, I don't know what to say. But, I will come up with stuff as I type.
I really see the issue not one of "I don't like to hear you talk about children", but one of I am not really into what you talk about. Be it children, rats, snakes, pets in general. I have some friends that are NOT into weighttraining. Not. Not. Not. They don't give a poop in a diaper about what I do and do not lift. BUT, they do love me. They love my joy. My energy about life, and are interested in me. That means, they put up with (and make the appropriate comments about) things they don't really **care** about. That is what friends/family/people do. It is kind of what keeps life going on. We can't all care about everyone's everything. But, we can all be kind, respecting, and **gasp** polite, and indulge others in their child babble.
That is what I see as missing from the equation with ILR and WC. It doesn't seem so much as your position against children, but, your position against things that don't interest you. That **could** be considered selfish, or self-centered, and is **usually** a trait I see in younger people.
I can't imagine saying, "I hate children, or people that talk about their children". It seems kind of harsh to me. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But, what is it that you are truly opining? Your hate of children? That is just kind of sad.
I don't know if I feel these things because I am expecting? Am overly sensitive? I don't know. But, I want you both to know that what you are saying, or, maybe how you say it, does not paint you in a pleasant light, for most people. Consider another way to argue your position. Because if it is one you are truly serious about, your message gets lost in the format you use.
Re-read my posts...I just did, and I think I was rather polite about the whole thing. I NEVER SAID THAT I HATE KIDS, so please stop reading that into my posts. Dislike, yes. A lot of people dislike snakes, but I take no offense to that.
The "what if everyone thought that way" argument is old and tired and needs to be thrown out. It really doesn't apply...because it will never happen! I just think that the world would be a better place if more people DID think this way.
PCB, if you do a little research you will find that we have used up the entirety of the world's fresh water supply. Seriously. If it weren't for water processing, most of us would have died of dehydration by now. The fact is that we are stretching resources to the max, and soon there won't be enough for everyone, equally distributed or not.
You may find me overrreacting to this for the same reason I overreact to religious topics...I am told almost every day by family, neighbors, even people I considered friends that I am wrong or 'selfish' because I choose not to add to what (I feel is) the world's biggest health issue. I've got more to say, but I've got to get a ride somewhere...
WC, it isn't that you don't want to have children. There are many people that don't want to have children. It is the venom with which you speak (no pun intended). You may never change your mind. And, that is wonderful to know you are so strong in your beliefs. You will go far with such confidence.
Do you really think disliking snakes is the same thing as disliking children? I am one of the first to admit I am over the top with my love for cats. I **could** talk cats all day long, if I found someone to listen to me :) But, I do recognize a difference between children and cats. To say, "I dislike cats" is really not on the level with "I dislike children". Is it just a different value system? I don't know. But, without my armchair psychology book here at work, I imagine there is more to your dislike of children then the status of the world's population.
You are right, I don't think we have to fear that one day the whole world will wake up with a "dislike of children" theory, and the whole world will cease in 100 years. But, I don't know that that invalidates the argument. Isn't that like saying a total non-ban on guns is okay, since not everyone would take up arms anyhow?
Aly, and Johanna, you have both put my thoughts into words.
I esp. agree with Johanna about the venom with which you both speak. And I am sorry, but I can not agree with all your natural resources agruments. Don't most of us feed our animals the best food we possibly can, sometimes even (gasp) human grade food. So if we are so concerned about the human race and how it is going to kill itself off, shouldn't we just let the animals fend for themselves?
And WolfChan...I believe in another thread you stated that you wanted a Bedlington Terrier and would go through a breeder to get one since they are not avaible in shelters. I have not problem with that at all. Nut then in this thread you agrue people should adopt if they want children. I guess maybe you could say, the breed these people want isn't available in "shelters", one from their own lines!
I totally agree with that. I too, know that I go overboard with my love for birds.......even cats. I talk about them all the time. I know some of my friends share my love for animals and enjoy my stories about them, but I also have friends who don't share my love for animals. I may not talk to them *as much* about my birds, but I *still* do, and they appreciate it, and say nice things, even though they don't feel the same about animals as I do.Quote:
Originally posted by Cataholic
Do you really think disliking snakes is the same thing as disliking children? I am one of the first to admit I am over the top with my love for cats. I **could** talk cats all day long, if I found someone to listen to me :) But, I do recognize a difference between children and cats. To say, "I dislike cats" is really not on the level with "I dislike children". Is it just a different value system? I don't know. But, without my armchair psychology book here at work, I imagine there is more to your dislike of children then the status of the world's population.
I have a friend who has a 2 year old brother that she just ADORES. She talks about him ALL the time, and there are times when I wish she would stop, but I still respond respectfully, and say nice things about her brother. That is just how I feel friends should be. I could never imagine having a friend who would break up with me whenever I get children, because she didn't want my children to have a part in the friendship. I would hate to have a friend that would eventually break the friendship by letting me know my kids weren't welcome around them, whenever I have kids. That is just so harsh and mean in my opinion.
Not everyone likes the same things. Still, like Johanna, I don't believe you can compare dislike for an animal to disliking kids. Disliking an animal is something everyone does. Most people have animals they truely, do not like. Disliking children, however, can equate to disliking yourself. You were a child once.........and Wolfchan, you, were VERY recently, a child. Do you dislike your entire life now because you were a child during most of it? Again, I can understand not loving kids, but really disliking them, or having a grudge against them just for the fact that they are young humans is sad. :(
Due to some interesting life circumstances, I was forced to grow up very early. Yes, I was a kid once upon a time. However, I had very little opportunity to enjoy it.
I truly see no difference between disliking an animal and disliking kids. In fact, humans are just another primate, an anthropoid. So it is just dislike for an animal. As a matter of fact, working in a pet store has stirred a dislike for many adults as well.
Im sitting here at Alikkons house thinking that his niece is in fact adorable. Its a shame that her parents dont know how to tell her no...she will probably be as obnoxious as her brother in a few years.
Ah, you see......it is the parents to blame. Not the children. Children are not bad. Its the parents who don't know how to raise them that make them bad. Saying kids are bad equates to saying all pitbulls are bad. No difference. Its the ones that raise them who are to blame.......not the children. Children need love, they need guidance, and if they don't get proper parenting, they will end up growing like weeds, but still, they are not to blame. Its their parents.Quote:
Originally posted by WolfChan
Im sitting here at Alikkons house thinking that his niece is in fact adorable. Its a shame that her parents dont know how to tell her no...she will probably be as obnoxious as her brother in a few years.
Maybe you can have some influence in her life....parenting by proxy? Not EVERYONE has to have a child to be influential in a child's life. Just like not everyone that has a child IS a parent....Quote:
Originally posted by WolfChan
Im sitting here at Alikkons house thinking that his niece is in fact adorable. Its a shame that her parents dont know how to tell her no...she will probably be as obnoxious as her brother in a few years.
As to your childhood, I am sorry that what you went through in your youth was so traumatic that it influenced you so today. I can't imagine what it was, and am not asking you to tell us. But, there can still be kindness in the world, even if it wasn't maybe there at your doorstep.
I honestly think I would have made the same decision even if I had been allowed a normal childhood. It is just a part of me, as is my love for the type of animals most people abhor. I would not condemn someone for having kids, but I also will not pretend to be joyful or even interested.
I think forums are a great place to talk about whatever our obsessions are, its easy for people who dont care to just skip that thread. Maybe thats why I am such a forum junkie.
Cataholic, I will think about that. She might be a cute one, but babies and toddlers still make me immensely uncomfortable.
Edit: I JUST read a chapter in "I'm Okay, You're a Brat!" that offered me some helpful insight and changed my thoughts a little bit. Maybe Alikkon's nephew is just obnoxious by nature, and his niece will remain cute. When it comes down to it, there are many many more influences in a child's life than jus tthe parents, and all of those influence how they turn out. Their grandparents, friends, birth order, genetics, what part of the world they live in....they all play a role, so it's not fair to blame the parents.
Some kids are going to be "bad" no matter how wonderful the parents are...and just looking back to the people in my life over the last few years I can think of wonderful people from horrid families, and horrible people from loving families. What an eye-opener...
Does this mean I have to be nice to Alikkon's SIL now? :eek: (We've never gotten along, mainly because her son grates my last nerve!) *Chuckles*
Ok .... I am surprised at all this coming from such sweet people! I love you anyway. :)
How about starting a forum at Pet Talk about skin kids? Then anyone that doesn't like skin kids doesn't have to read it. I would be there reading it because I love skin kids!:D
I love hearing about your children! Please!:)
I feel your pain. Don't know what to tell you. I would have a hard time holding in my frustration. Most of the time, I speak my mind and it gets me in trouble.
Ok I'm going to admit this - I'm very much down on humanity today, and I apologize to anyone that I offended if I came off too harsh. The fact remains that I don't care for children, and I won't apologize for that, but I never claimed that I hate them.
However, my bad attitude today could be attributed to the fact that my older sister, whom is the world's biggest alcoholic bum, has gotten hammered and lost her job yet again (for the fourth time in a year now), and is being very nasty as well as lying to everyone about it, claiming she "quit", and that she wasn't actually fired. She came clean later on and admitted she was fired, but it's too late if you ask me.
It's just got me extremely irate and nastier than usual, so please accept my apology for being overly harsh. Thank you...
I'll get back to being my sweet old self some day. :D
That does sound like a really good reason! I fully accept your apology. I have to say I came down on you pretty hard, and well I know what its like to have a bad day. For real!!
Willie:)
Thank you Trayi52... *hug* ..
I'm going to go eat sushi now - my comfort food. :D
Please tell me what sushi tastes like. I have never eat sushi, chocolate is usually my comfort food! LOL
Willie:)
Well it depends on what you order...I have many favorites. Magura (raw tuna), Unagi (Freshwater Eel)...
They all taste different, the Eel is very sweet. Tuna has a clean taste (if it's fresh that is) and is absolutely to die for.
If you feel adventurous and you're used to sushi, you could try Uni (sea urchin)... It's an acquired taste though - it's sweet but it has the consistency of snot. Not very appealing I know - but that's what I thought of it.
Squid is just downright disgusting... Slimy and rubbery. Ew.
Raw salmon is very tender and delicious though.
Now my mouth is watering... waiting for the sushi to arrive.
That sounds like my sweet friends. :)
My comfort food would be pizza!:D
You want to know what the worst part of all of this is? The part that makes me the most disgusted and irate?
The fact that my sister holds a double bachelor's degree in Biomedical Engineering and Math from Syracuse University, a Masters in Business and Finance from STERN NYU, and she was one of the 12 engineers who designed and patented the Corinthian stent... which was on the front page of the New York Times as a medical breakthrough.
SO MUCH POTENTIAL to do GOOD for the world - and she's just throwing her life away on the bottle. It's enough to make my stomach roil.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Wow, don't she know what she has in her head?! That is something that can't be taken away from you is knowledge, that is a waste, such a terrible waste. I have to say this, please, but this is what I tell my kids. If you get a good education, and you have all this knowledge in your head, you can have everything took away from you by things like bankruptcy, and such, but they can't dig your knowledge out of your head! In other word, they can't take that, you always have the resources to keep going. Know what I mean??
So thats why I say, don't waste what you have stored in your mind. Hehehe, I am rambling.
Willie:)
Back to sushi for a sec....if the thougt of eating eel doesn't gross you out completely I think it's worth a chot. It's cooked, it's very tender, and it's extremely sweet!
My other favorit is Hamachi AKA yellowtail. It's got a nice firm texture, and it's a slight bit tangy.
Truth be told, I have a hard time eating cooked fish now, unless Imake it myself. Especially cooked salmon! Give me raw or cold-smoked salmon any day!!
I am such a big chicken, I have never been brave enough to try it. I am 51 years old and have never tried it. I guess I let the smell of any fish really get to me and I always imagine that it will taste like it smells. You know what I mean?
Willie:)
WolfChan, I have had sushi! A guy that owns a restraunt fixed it at a dinner. It all tasted pretty good except the red stuff I dipped mine in was a bad choice. Maybe I got too much red stuff on? All the rest was good!:)
Start with smoked salmon, Willie. It's delicious! I could eat salmon 5 days a week. It's my favorite! Cooked, smoked or grilled. Tuna is good too. I have a hard time with the "fishier" fish. :)
BTW - for most fish, if it smells "fishy" it's not fresh.
I went to a fish fry, and I think it was bass they fixed. It was so fishy tasting, and this guy is bragging on how good it was because HE cooked it! I mean I had to sneak and throw it away.
Ann you know who I am talking about, Dwayne Staggs. Thinks he is just the best cook.
If it doesn't smell, and somebody could sneak it on me. So Ann was it good?? OMG, my sister ate sushi!!! LMAO. ;)
Willie:)
Well - arguably - THEY can't dig your knowledge out of your head, but you sure can, if you drink enough and kill enough brain cells.Quote:
Originally posted by trayi52
Wow, don't she know what she has in her head?! That is something that can't be taken away from you is knowledge, that is a waste, such a terrible waste. I have to say this, please, but this is what I tell my kids. If you get a good education, and you have all this knowledge in your head, you can have everything took away from you by things like bankruptcy, and such, but they can't dig your knowledge out of your head! In other word, they can't take that, you always have the resources to keep going. Know what I mean??
So thats why I say, don't waste what you have stored in your mind. Hehehe, I am rambling.
Willie:)
She's gotten pretty ditzy too.
*sigh*.
And to add - yes, any fish that smells "fishy" is most definitely not fresh and should under no circumstances be eaten raw.
Fresh fish doesn't smell fishy at all.
Yes it was delicious! The guy had a table full of different types of sushie. I tried it all. Some of it looked weird but I just didn't look at it. It was really good! It was the red stuff that tasted like cleaning fluid. None of it smelled bad!
Cleaning fluid? Red stuff???Quote:
Originally posted by amoore
Yes it was delicious! The guy had a table full of different types of sushie. I tried it all. Some of it looked weird but I just didn't look at it. It was really good! It was the red stuff that tasted like cleaning fluid. None of it smelled bad!
*looks confused*
Gee,..... I hope nobody left the cleaning fluid on the table:eek: There I was dipping the squid in cleaning fluid?:eek:
OMG, Ann that sounded so funny. Hmmm what kind of cleaning fluied is red??? Anybody??
Willie
Maybe he shined the silverware? I have never tasted of my silver ware polish. :eek:
How did this thread turn to fish? :D :p LOL!
I ate fish for dinner today btw! My mom made bass fish..........it was soooooooo good, and if I'm saying this, that means it was REALLY good, because I'm not much of a fish person. I like fish fried........but not cooked in any other way. Don't know why. Salmon feels *fishy* to me, even when its fresh. I don't like salmon..........I eat it because its healthy, but I don't really like it. I do like smoked salmon though! My favorite types of fish are tilipia, bass, and rex sole. Those are sooo good, and don't have a fishy taste at all. I like making fish burgers out of them! Yummy! :D
I guess I am just an old country girl, I like catfish!! LOL, Oh I baked some salmon one time, I had met a woman in the grocery store and she was buying salmon. I ask her how to prepare it. Okay, I go home with my salman, fix it just like she told me to. My house stunk for a week, I really done an awful job cooking that salmon. My husband love fish, and he even gagged, LOL. I had to throw it out.....
Willie:)
Popcorn, I love tilipia! It is the best fish sold! Expensive here but yummy!
Smoked salmon is what you should go after, willie! It is delish!:)
I know! Me too! Its my favorite fish........sooooooo good. It is a little expensive, but I won't eat most other fish so my mom buys it all the time. :p Just to get me to eat fish!Quote:
Originally posted by amoore
Popcorn, I love tilipia! It is the best fish sold! Expensive here but yummy!
Icky!
I don't eat fish or any other sea food AT ALL! I think the cleaning fluid would make it taste better :p :p :p (Maybe it was that new Berry Fresh Windex - yum!)
Oh, trayi, you have to come over next time I make cajun catfish. I make an AWESOME cajun catfish!