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Go here and scroll down to Milo and Otis:
http://www.luftworld.com/Satellite/THBBM/981207.htm
Seems, I'm not the only one who thinks this way.....
I saw this movie when it first came out as well, and to be honest I thought it was good, as I assumed none of the animals were hurt in this film and were trained actors, but I did not give it a lot of thought, I understand what you are saying cass, and to a point I agree with you, no animal should be put in danger or hurt just to make a film and satisfy human beings for entertainment,, I would be the first one to be up in arms if that were the case.
Researching it fully is probably a good idea, I would be interested to see just how all the scenes were made, I often wonder about that, and again assume half of it is not real etc etc, but who really knows except those in the movie at the time.
There is nothing wrong with showing your emotions concerning the care and welfare of animals cass, it is people like you who get things done and changed so our animals can live good lives without abuse, so if you feel strongly enough about it, stand up and say so.
I certainly hope you are proved wrong, and these animals did not suffer in any way during the making of this film, if they did I too would be throwing it in the trash, as a protest if nothing else.
Now calm down cass and take a deep breath count to ten and smile,:) and thanks for bringing this to our attention, gives one something to think about doesn't it?;)
Well the movie has already proved my thoughts to be correct, as it states at the end of the movie.
Come on now, stop and think: :rolleyes:
Do you think a movie company would actually allow a movie to be made where animals are put in danger where they can get really hurt and die!? Um...yeah...if they want lawsuits up the wazoo. Common sense.
(It's just like the stupid Quizno's commerical with the FAKE dead bird- obviously they wouldn't use a real dead bird because they would be slaughtered with lawsuits.)
Have you ever watched Black Beauty!? Did you see the part when Black Beauty is starved and rail thin!? Do you really think the movie company starved the horse to play that part!? :confused: Also, the part when the carrige hitch breaks and Black Beauty gets cut really bad, do you think the actual horse got cut? When Black Beauty fell and skinned his knees, do you really think that the horse skinned its knees!? :confused:
Personally, I don't have a problem with the movie- it's a movie- it's fake and none of that stuff really happened.....
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Um...yeah...if they want lawsuits up the wazoo. Common sense.
hahaha sorry that commant made me Laugh!! lol
That's why the movie was made in Japan. Apparently the director was going to produce the movie in the US but there were laws that forbidded it, so he decided to do it in his homeland of Japan where there were no such laws.Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
Come on now, stop and think: :rolleyes:
Do you think a movie company would actually allow a movie to be made where animals are put in danger where they can get really hurt and die!? Um...yeah...if they want lawsuits up the wazoo. Common sense.
It was pointed out though that this one in particular was made in another country. I have zero idea what other countries' laws are regarding this type of thing, but I do know that the US is the most lawsuit-happy country out there.
I once read a statistic, that 50% of the WORLD'S lawyers are in the USA. :eek:
Sorta off topic, but something to think about. :p
Edit: *shakes fist at Jordan* Got your post in before me about that point! ;)
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From All Movie Guide
Milo is a kitten, Otis is a dog. When Milo gets into a small box with the intention of taking a trip down a river, Otis follows. En route, the stars encounter bad weather, life-threatening situations, and even potential mates. Original made for Japanese TV under the title Koneko Monogatari, The Adventures of Milo and Otis contained some intense scenes that were edited out for Western audiences. For American consumption, the film was pared down to a G-rated 75 minutes, with a new comic narration added, written by Mark Saltzman and delivered by Dudley Moore. Hal Erickson
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Originally posted by wolfsoul
That's why the movie was made in Japan. Apparently the director was going to produce the movie in the US but there were laws that forbidded it, so he decided to do it in his homeland of Japan where there were no such laws.
Turns out some of it was filmed on his own private island, I would really like to know what the edited scenes were that were not fit for our audience in the US.
Hehe, I'm faster! :pQuote:
Originally posted by K9soul
Edit: *shakes fist at Jordan* Got your post in before me about that point! ;)
I haven't read through all of the responses beyond KayAnn's but I just have to say that this movie is my all time favorite animal movie. In fact I bought it after seeing it on cable and have watched it 5 or 6 times. I imagine from the length of this thread there is some serious discussion going on, but personally I don't care to read through it all. I loved the movie and that's all I have to say.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
I LOVE that movie.
I don't understand what your issue is with it, eh...
It's adorable.
Well Cass a very interesting point raised here, that this film was actually filmed in Japan and had scenes edited that were not to Americans liking, hmm that in itself is very suspicious, sounds bad to me, does that mean the Japanese people are not concerned with animals welfare or what? if this were the case then I too am horrified that this film was allowed at all, yeah sure I enjoyed the movie too, but then I assumed it was not real, but now I know different I STAND with you on this one cass.
Ya know we can all bury our heads in the sand, and not want to know these things, but to have them brought out in the open, is what helps to make changes, ones hopefully for the better, so that it does not happen again!!!!
I don't think it would be fair to make that generalization though :(Quote:
does that mean the Japanese people are not concerned with animals welfare or what?
I wouldn't want to make any wrong assumptions but I don't believe in Japan you can just protest and write to your senator and get laws made that way.
I totally agree.Quote:
Originally posted by Pam
I haven't read through all of the responses beyond KayAnn's but I just have to say that this movie is my all time favorite animal movie. In fact I bought it after seeing it on cable and have watched it 5 or 6 times. I imagine from the length of this thread there is some serious discussion going on, but personally I don't care to read through it all. I loved the movie and that's all I have to say.
I did not read through this whole thread, but I just wanted to make a short comment.
I love the movie, and I think it is adorable. I have read some of the thread, and I think that the birds could have been fake. It IS possible.
You probably already know that I love this movie, I named my pug Otis.:)
Dogz I loved the movie too, watched it with my young daughter, who also loved it, but I was under the impression it was all fake, but if it were not, then I feel somewhat different regarding the movie now, would you not as well? knowing that these animals may have endured things that were not pleasant to them, just so we can enjoy the movie?
Carole- You have made a great point here. I really have not seen the movie in a while. Maybe I will watch the movie tonight to refresh my memory.Quote:
Originally posted by carole
Dogz I loved the movie too, watched it with my young daughter, who also loved it, but I was under the impression it was all fake, but if it were not, then I feel somewhat different regarding the movie now, would you not as well? knowing that these animals may have endured things that were not pleasant to them, just so we can enjoy the movie?
Until then, I won't say how I feel about how the animals were treated. It is bad if any of the animals were harmed during the process of making this movie just for our enjoyment, but I am going to watch it again.
I must bring up another point.
Since you noticed so many bad things in this movie, have you noticed bad things in other movies, too? Just to bring up an example, how about Homeward Bound? The dogs have to swim in a river with rushing water. Chance had to have porcupine quills in his face. Would you say that you hate this movie also?
Yes, but those dogs were also a lot bigger, and can withstand more than a tiney kitten could. Not to mention that is was made in the United States, NOT Japan, and at the end credits it specifically states that no animals were harmed in the making of the film, whereas Milo and Otis does not.Quote:
Originally posted by Dogz
The dogs have to swim in a river with rushing water. Chance had to have porcupine quills in his face. Would you say that you hate this movie also?
I do like the movie, BUT there were some seens that were a bit disrupted. Like when the cat jumps OFF the cliff , and into the ocean. and I didnt like seeing the dog and cats having puppys. (yes they were cute) but still. and I didnt like when the cat gets attacked by seagulls....OUCH!
I agree..I also like the movie.. the animals in it are so adorable, but I was bit disturbed to in some parts..Quote:
Originally posted by Amber
I do like the movie, BUT there were some seens that were a bit disrupted. Like when the cat jumps OFF the cliff , and into the ocean. and I didnt like seeing the dog and cats having puppys. (yes they were cute) but still. and I didnt like when the cat gets attacked by seagulls....OUCH!
I *love* that movie! It is my all time favorite movie.. When i got my hampster otis, that is why i named him otis ( i didnt have a dog at the time ;)) I highly doubt that they would make a cat jump off a cliff, :rolleyes: , or have a dog being attacked by a bear, reality guys.. Even then, im sure they have some kind of law, maybe not as bluntly here in the US, but im sure there is one in japan restricting harm to animals.. It looks like special effects to me.. I have it on video, so im going to watch it now..
Milo and Otis are so cute though!! :D
I haven't watched the movie...I can't handle watching animal movies, as I can't separate the 'real' from the fiction. I can't watch scary movies, I couldn't watch the Holocaust, nor will I see the Blood of the Christ (or whatever the Mel Gibson movie is titled). I just can't separate fact from fiction- in movies (lest any of you think I am completely impaired).
I don't know if the issue here is so much, "is this real or fake"...as it **should** be "is the image or images portrayed sending the right message".
I know there are horror films with people being shot/beat up/killed, etc. Now, I **know** these aren't real...but, is the image one to portray? Will it give someone an idea? Will it make it more 'normal' if we de-sensitive it?
That is how I see it with this film....one I have never watched. Real or fake, animals even appearing in danger, harms way, or mistreated, is NOT an image I want in my mind, or in the mind of people anywhere. Why? Cause it might give some one out there an idea that this is acceptable.
I've never seen the movie. I don't usually watch animal movies. I find most of them either disturbing or infuriating at some point, so it's just not worth it to me to watch them.
However, I will say, do NOT assume the laws are the same in Japan as they are here. It may be that they are, and the animals weren't hurt or stressed. However, it may be that they are NOT the same, and then you have no idea what actually went on filming this movie. I have no idea, nor do I wish to know, frankly. But assuming everything is sweet and rosy with an independent film made in a foreign country, which had to have scenes cut out to be shown in the US, seems a bit naive to me.
I don't like to watch animals be hurt even if it is fake. I don't like to watch chainsaw massacre movies, even if it is fake. I don't like to watch HBO show sex going on, even if it is fake.
I feel sick or have nightmares if I watch these bloody horror movies. I think they are fake.
I watched a Twight Zone when I was little that made me have nightmares. A cat a woman hated was served to her neighbors. I was 8 years old when that I saw that!
I think it is up to the individual what they want to watch at the movies or on their TV. You have to be your own judge what you let your kids watch or what you like to watch.
The Passion of Christ? I wanted to see that so bad, but now that everyone is saying its going to have violence, and be scary, I'm thinking against it. I'll let my dad watch it and tell me about it instead. Scary movies scare me no matter how good they are. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Cataholic
nor will I see the Blood of the Christ (or whatever the Mel Gibson movie is titled).
I haven't watched Milo and Otis, so I can't comment on that.
I am not saying they throw the cat off the bridge, although it's fairly obvious he is swimming in the ocean. Also the bear never "attacked" the animals, but it's the point that the animals were scared and freightened.Quote:
Originally posted by CamCamPup33
I *love* that movie! It is my all time favorite movie.. When i got my hampster otis, that is why i named him otis ( i didnt have a dog at the time ;)) I highly doubt that they would make a cat jump off a cliff, :rolleyes: , or have a dog being attacked by a bear, reality guys.. Even then, im sure they have some kind of law, maybe not as bluntly here in the US, but im sure there is one in japan restricting harm to animals.. It looks like special effects to me.. I have it on video, so im going to watch it now..
Milo and Otis are so cute though!! :D
In the part where the seagulls attack the cat, explain to me how a bunch of seagulls were trained to attack a cat, and even IF the cat was edited in, there was SOMETHING that made that kitten extremely scared! You cannot fake an animal running for his life, no matter how hard you try.
Exactly. There was a reason scenes were edited out in order to be shown here in the US, because obviously they know us Americans would have disproved of some of the footage.Quote:
Originally posted by Twisterdog
But assuming everything is sweet and rosy with an independent film made in a foreign country, which had to have scenes cut out to be shown in the US, seems a bit naive to me.
It wasn't that long ago when westerns were made and they used trip wires to make the horses fall when they were "shot".Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
Come on now, stop and think: :rolleyes:
Do you think a movie company would actually allow a movie to be made where animals are put in danger where they can get really hurt and die!? Um...yeah...if they want lawsuits up the wazoo. Common sense.
A lot of those horses didn't make it out un-injured.
Laws have changed now, but perhaps back then they were different, especially in a different country.
I haven't seen that movie since my kids were small, and I guess that was only once or twice.
I would say if that movie had to be edited for our benefit, then there was obivously something wrong with it.
It does appear to give our smaller children ideas that there are things perfectly acceptable to them.
I hate to watch anything that has animals being hurt. I used to watch TV as a child and think in the westerns that they were really shooting the horses in the head after running them near to death. That always upset me as a child, and they didn't have people on the set watching out for the animals.
Now I wonder about movies like Milo and Otis, especially reading some of the articles that was posted here by Cass.
I have to completely agree with Johanna, I feel the same way.
I don't blame you at all Cass for not wanting your child to watch, children don't read whats at the end of a movie. I know Dylan does not read yet. Does he?
As Dogz suggested there are probably many other movies like Milo and Otis that also display animals in danger and doing things that would be scarey to the animal,any movie that exploits animals, children or human beings in any way is offensive to me, and from now on I shall be taking a lot more notice, so thanks Cass for opening my eyes.
Just off topic a bit, but I remember when I was 16 (yes I can still remember that far back he he) one of the girls I was nurse aiding with who lived in the nurses home with me went and saw the EXORCIST, she was really freaked by it and at night when patients rang their bells for assistance, a red light would show up in the dark and she was totally freaked out, for some reason it reminded her of this film,(I never saw if myself) everyone is different, and what affects one might not another.
As long as we donot become complacent and just accept these things that go on, that is what matters to me.
I think Cass has opened up a really good topic for conversation here, and made people think(well certainly has made me think) and that only positive things can come out of that.
They are not making movies just to amuse us. They are making movies to make big bucks! Think about it!
Of course they want us, as a people to want to see the movies. They are going to do what they can to make us want to see it. The more people going to watch, the more money they make.
Think about how the movies has changed in the past years, more explicit language, more sexual content and more violence. They are going to make movies to attract more veiwers!
It makes me cry every time, but I LOVE that movie.
Chill. It's a movie, and I'm sure they had some type of Animal Cruelty Laws in movies back then. Otherwise, what's stopping people from killing animals and stuff in movies? Some sicko probably would if there were'nt any laws.
How do you know its real? Do you have actual proof? They did have special effects back then you know. It was made in the 70's or close to there I think? Maybe not. It's in color though.
I love Otis'! I've always thought Pugs look like they've been chasing parked cars. LOL!
And, actually, you can train a cat to look like it's "running for it's life". I'm not saying no animals were hurt in the film. Heck, people get hurt all the time, and, I'm sure animals were injured making many films. I haven't seen "Milo and Otis" in a long time, I'll probably check it out tonight, though. I think I have it on VHS. But, they can train an animal to look scared, to cry loudly, to hiss, to run for it's life, to gasp for air, etc. My friend trained her dog to cry and whimper like he was injured. And, these animals are professionally trained. And, again, I'm not saying I agree with the movie or the movie making industry in every way, but, I AM saying that they can totally train an animal to look miserable. Interesting debate, though. I've just read all the posts, so, i thought i'd make a comment.
Actually, even nowadays, there are very little animal cruelty laws in Japan. It's the worst place for animal cruelty when compared to other developed countries.Quote:
Originally posted by kevinrats
I'm sure they had some type of Animal Cruelty Laws in movies back then.
Edit: Here is a site that explains that Japan doesn't have good laws when it comes to animals. People are virtually allowed to do what they want with them, and I'm assuming that included videos.
http://www.alive-net.net/english/en-law/Oliver.html
I was just about ot post that link wolfsoul lol
HUH!? :confused: How long ago was this!? I have never heard about "trip wires" for horses. They are trained to fall when there are shooting scenes. I have seen how it is done with my own eyes. It is a special reining and leg technique the rider does to make the horse buckle up and fall on it's side, while the rider quickly dismounts in a fashion where they (and the horse) are not injured, yet makes it appear that the rider was thrown from the horse.Quote:
Originally posted by Shelteez2
It wasn't that long ago when westerns were made and they used trip wires to make the horses fall when they were "shot".
A lot of those horses didn't make it out un-injured.
I am going to browse around for this "trip wire" technique...never heard of it before, I want to know about it, *crosses fingers that is never existed*....
ALSO...
I did not know that Milo & Otis was filmed in Japan and parts were edited out of the movie. :eek: :( So Cass, I can see why you are so concerned. The movie does sound fishy now. :( Let's just hope that the animals were just really good actors, it's too sad to think that animals could be harmed like that in a movie...you'd think that they'd be smart enough not to do that....:( Sorry Cass (and anyone else) if I upset you at all about this! Good thing I got rid of that movie a loooooooooong time ago.
It was back in the early days of making movies. I heard about it on an episode of The World of Horses (a TV show). They were showing how horses are trained to fall now, and told about how they were made to fall then.Quote:
Originally posted by YellowLabLover
HUH!? :confused: How long ago was this!? I have never heard about "trip wires" for horses. They are trained to fall when there are shooting scenes. I have seen how it is done with my own eyes. It is a special reining and leg technique the rider does to make the horse buckle up and fall on it's side, while the rider quickly dismounts in a fashion where they (and the horse) are not injured, yet makes it appear that the rider was thrown from the horse.
I am going to browse around for this "trip wire" technique...never heard of it before, I want to know about it, *crosses fingers that is never existed*....
I have seen it done too. But it wasn't always the way. It was before there were laws for the way animals were treated on movie sets.
I have heard or read somewhere that there were some questionable shots (most notably the kitten being thrown off a cliff, and the kitten in the river scene) in the Milo and Otis movie, so I wouldn't assume it was all shot humanely. I haven't seen this movie, the stories I heard about it totally turned me off to it.
Trip wires were very common in westerns and other movies, and it really hasn't been that long since they were outlawed. In the movie The Man From Snowy River (1982), a pregnant mare was run off a cliff and killed. One clue as to whether or not trip wires were used: If you see the horse getting to its feet after a fall, it was trained. If you don't see the horse get up onscreen, a trip wire was probably used. Many, many horses were killed or permanently injured using this technique in movies.
I never said they didn't have special effects, in fact I mentioned that the film DID use special effects. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by kevinrats
Chill. It's a movie, and I'm sure they had some type of Animal Cruelty Laws in movies back then. Otherwise, what's stopping people from killing animals and stuff in movies? Some sicko probably would if there were'nt any laws.
How do you know its real? Do you have actual proof? They did have special effects back then you know. It was made in the 70's or close to there I think? Maybe not. It's in color though.
If you read the link WolfSoul posted you will find that in Japan not much is done to protect animals. Here let me repost the link in case you didn't see that:
http://www.alive-net.net/english/en-law/Oliver.html