Court to Hear Case to Reopen Roe V. Wade

I would like to see someone have this discussion without bring up the morality of abortion. Because it REALLY isn't about abortion. Never in any of my posts do you see me say that I feel abortion is ok. My position on abortion is really irrelevent. The controversy is about Choice. But Right to Lifers always resort back to whether or not abortion is morally correct. I think they are afraid to try and argue that women shouldn't have a choice without bring up the morality issue.

Everyone on this earth has differing values and morals and no one wants someone else's forced upon them. That is why this is about Choice. Everyone should have the freedom to choose how they wish to live their own lives.

I happen to think that with the population explosion and the increasing lack of natural resources that it is extremely immoral and irresponsible to have more than one child. So how would everyone feel if this became the popular opinion and those that became pregnant a second or third or fourth time were FORCED to submit to abortions because of the "right to lifers"?? With the lack of resources it isn't fair to bring into this world people that cannot be fed and clothed properly and having extra children takes food away from the people already born?? People wouldn't like that either. Don't we all just want the freedom of choice to make our own stupid decisions?

Think about it?

Denyce

Wow - where to begin.

I'm most definitely Pro-Choice. For me, getting pregnant would be nothing short of my worst nightmare... Naturally I've taken steps to prevent it by getting myself sterilized, but if it ever happened I'd have an abortion without a second thought.

And I resent anyone who would preach to me that I don't have the right to do that. It's a personal decision, and nobody has the right to force me to choose something I do not want.

What about the emotional trauma I would suffer carrying the child for 9 months and resenting every moment of it? Does anyone think about that? Of course not. Because when the allmighty baybee is involved, suddenly my life and my emotional well being don't make a damn bit of difference anymore, is that it? :mad:

Well - sorry, but I disagree. I think it should always remain a personal choice. And I always find it appalling that everyone seems to care about the child more so than the parent, that is, until after it's born. Then they don't want a damn thing to do with it. It's the mother's job at that point.

Everything these days is about the children. Do it for the children, it's all for the children. But have you ever noticed that as soon as they hit a certain age, they instantly become second-class citizens? Nobody seems to give a rat's arse about the well being of an Adult versus a Child.

If there's a major world incident and say 100 adults lost their lives, the only thing the media can think of to concentrate on is that ONE PRECIOUS CHIYULD that lost their life, as if the adults mean nothing - everyone must bow down to the precious children. Screw the adults. We don't mean diddly squat.

And I agree with ILoveReptiles! Getting pregnant would be my worst nightmare. When someone takes precautions not to get pregnant and that happens, then whomever it happens to deserves the right to choose. I would get it done illegally if it was not allowed otherwise. That is how strongly I feel about it. Why can't we just accept the fact that we all feel strongly about our own opinion and just agree to disagree?

Well....I have to agree....people have made this a moral issue, which is why I said that I have a problem with legislating morality. It's just like the controversy about making a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages.....HELLO!! It's none of the government's business.

Like I said before, while abortion is not something I would wish to consider, I have a medical condition that may get much worse if I were ever to get pregnant....I'm way to selfish to let that happen...I would terminate any pregnancy I would have now...although it would bother me tremendously...and I am just now realizing I am contradicting what I said initially, but, the more I thought about it, the more I changed my mind.

Kevin, I see that you are really young, I think perhaps you may change your perspective as you get older and more mature. I teach kids your age and so I am well aware of most opinions of middle/high school students, and I also know that former students have come back to see me years later and we laugh about their attitudes when they were in 8th grade and how much they have changed as they have gone out into the real world and formed opinions of their own.

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Originally posted by kevinrats
Holy cow.

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Oh oh......

That's what got the people camping with Moses in trouble.:eek:


The Billy goats are on the bridge.;)

You're right. My perspective might change. Maybe not. But for right now, I'm firm into this. I will agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by kevinrats
You're right. My perspective might change. Maybe not. But for right now, I'm firm into this. I will agree to disagree.

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That's you're right, all I ask is that you try to keep an open mind and possibly investigate the other side. It's always best to study both sides even if you vehemently disagree with one of the sides. It will either solidify your position or sway you a bit. Please do keep in mind that you are a male who will never be able to have children so will never be able to understand a woman who has had an abortion. My husband and I have had that conversation before and he and I have to agree to disagree also, but he is considerably older than you are, so, perhaps you're right you might not change your mind! lol

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Originally posted by mugsy
Please do keep in mind that you are a male who will never be able to have children

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Toss that into our faces, will you??;)

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Originally posted by RICHARD
Toss that into our faces, will you??;)

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I try my best!!

Richard, you're not the typical male. You're actually a great one! :)

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Originally posted by Denyce
I would like to see someone have this discussion without bring up the morality of abortion. Because it REALLY isn't about abortion. Never in any of my posts do you see me say that I feel abortion is ok. My position on abortion is really irrelevent. The controversy is about Choice. But Right to Lifers always resort back to whether or not abortion is morally correct. I think they are afraid to try and argue that women shouldn't have a choice without bring up the morality issue.

Everyone on this earth has differing values and morals and no one wants someone else's forced upon them. That is why this is about Choice. Everyone should have the freedom to choose how they wish to live their own lives.

I happen to think that with the population explosion and the increasing lack of natural resources that it is extremely immoral and irresponsible to have more than one child. So how would everyone feel if this became the popular opinion and those that became pregnant a second or third or fourth time were FORCED to submit to abortions because of the "right to lifers"?? With the lack of resources it isn't fair to bring into this world people that cannot be fed and clothed properly and having extra children takes food away from the people already born?? People wouldn't like that either. Don't we all just want the freedom of choice to make our own stupid decisions?

Think about it?

Denyce

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I agree. It is called Pro-CHOICE, not Pro-ABORTION. I had my son when I was a twenty-two year old single mother. And yet, I'm pro-choice. I chose to have a child. But, it was my CHOICE. I didn't need a middle-aged, male senator telling me I was too stupid to know my own mind.

Once we start taking away the rights of a certain group, everyone's rights are in danger. The stripping away of liberties is dangerous ground, one thing leads to another. In the words of Pastor Martin Niemöller after World War II, "First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

Whatever your personal feelings about abortion are, they should not keep you from being a proponant of free will and educated choices. If abortion is a "sin", then God or whomever you worship will take care of that part of the issue on Judgement Day. Let's not try to do God's job for him. Let's do ours: get out and vote in November, and vote for freedom and choice ... choice in whatever it is in life that merits it.

Very good, Twisterdog! I had forgotten about that speech and it's very true and effective. I saw something interesting on TechTv channel I believe it was. Sorry for going off topic(before I start) Anyway, it was about the police who had put a GPS locater on a suspected rapists car. The attorneys tried to throw it out because they didn't get a search warrant to put it on the suspect's vehicle. However, it was ruled that you don't expect your vechicle to be private since it's out in the open(parking lots, etc) So, now if law enforcement wants to track you, they have the right. I'm all for law enforcement but I think this is a bit much. Wonder how much trouble you'd get into if you removed that from your vehicle? Ok, through ranting.

Another point came to me this afternoon while I was discussing this issue with someone at work. And this pertains to all the Bible Thumping Christians out there.


When God created humans he gave us free will and the ability to choose how to live the lives he gave us.

Denyce