For you people that don't like hunters...

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Originally posted by Kfamr
Ok, :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
back at ya sweetpea!


I don't find a dog's bark annoying at all. Neither do I really find a cat's meow or a bird's "sing" annoying, but it can be and if a dog does barks too much , then you should speak to the owner.

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*Bangs head against the wall*

How many times do I have to say.......WE DID!!!!!!!!! It doesn't work. :rolleyes: We've about given up. *sigh* SOMEONE doesn't read my posts properly, or perhaps doesn't choose to comprehend them.

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Originally posted by popcornbird
*Bangs head against the wall*

How many times do I have to say.......WE DID!!!!!!!!! It doesn't work. :rolleyes: We've about given up. *sigh* SOMEONE doesn't read my posts properly, or perhaps doesn't choose to comprehend them.

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Or perhaps I didn't read one or two. No need to be snobby about it, it's a misunderstanding. :mad: Thanks for making my day!

SOMEONE. :rolleyes:

I can sometimes find that a dog that barks to much for no reason, is trying to say something (not literally,lol), around here (my house) unless someone is at the door or they think somone that is walking by is a threat theyll bark, rarly a dog barks non stop, unless its stuck outside for a long time etc!
but i would find it annoying if something easy can be done about it (love, attention) but as some PT's know their dogs just like to bark!
I fox hunt on my horse each season around the moor with the local hunt,
Am i a bad person?
I know that here (i dont know if its the same in your country) thats foxs are a terrible pest to farmers, (i wont get into it) so we go out in season and pick of the weak ones! it keeps the population down, and helps farmers with their livstock etc!
Ky and Rio

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Originally posted by Kfamr
Or perhaps I didn't read one or two. No need to be snobby about it, it's a misunderstanding. :mad: Thanks for making my day!

SOMEONE. :rolleyes:

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What a coincidence it must be then, that SOMEONE has a *misunderstanding* with each and EVERY ONE of my posts..........

My next door neighbors are among the nicest and most generous people you'll ever want to meet. He also hunts: mostly quail and deer. They were planning a quail hunt this past Saturday morning and their dogs must have known about it because Lexie, the 10-year-old Brittany, barked all night! She's deaf as a stone so asking her to "Be quiet!" is not at all effective. Fortunately, she is not particularly loud (actually hubby's snoring was more annoying) so I was able to roll over and ignore it. Shutting the window and putting on a fan also helped.

What I find more difficult to deal with is the Labs on the other side of us wrestling on their deck at 5:00 a.m.!

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Originally posted by popcornbird
What a coincidence it must be then, that SOMEONE has a *misunderstanding* with each and EVERY ONE of my posts..........

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Oh dear... will you just hush. :mad::(

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If you told my dog to "shut up" i'd get offended. As twisterdog said, dogs can't understand English -- But, I can. So, it would be the same if you told my kid to shut up.

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I would like to avoid a misquote, if I can at this late date. When I said dogs can't understand English ... I was using that to back up my argument that it is perfectly ok to tell a dog to shut up.

My main point was this: it is the dog owner's responsiblity to keep their dog quiet, to keep their dog from being a nuisance. If the dog owner is doing his/her job, training and controlling the dog, then no one else will ever feel the need to tell the dog to "Shut Up!" or anything else.

If the dog owner is in the house, watching Oprah, and the dog is running up and down the fence, barking at the neighbors in their own yard ... then, IMO, those neighbors have every right to tell the dog to "Shut up!", to tell the dog's owners to keep it quiet, and to report him/her to animal control if it continues. Even worse ... if the dog owner is standing outside while the dog is barking, barking, barking!

Same thing with my kid, frankly. If my child is being overly loud and unruly, I need to control him and make him be quiet. If I am not doing my job, then I think the person in the booth behind me in a restaurant, at the next table in a library or the pew ahead of me in church has every right to turn to my child and say, "Shhhhh!" and/or to turn to me and say, "Could you please keep him quieter, I'm having trouble hearing." No, they shouldn't say, "Shut up!" because my child understands English ... my dogs don't. Therein is the difference I was trying to point out. But either way ... it is the dog owners/parents responsibility to handle the situation BEFORE anyone NEEDS to say anything. Just MHO.

*Giggles* Those are cute!!

*faints* This thread is ......... interesting :eek:

Where to begin? I think I'll not comment on the whole hunting thing .. blech.

PCB, I'm not picking on you so please don't get upset. But this really bothers me:

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Originally posted by popcornbird
I *hate* his barking.......I despise his voice, and many times I wish he weren't in our neighborhood. I love our other neighbors' dogs.......they're the most well behaved things. This one though....I despise him and his owners, no offense.

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Please don't despise the dog. It is not his fault that his owners don't give him proper love, attention, and care :( The poor thing is probably bored out of his mind. I understand why you're annoyed, but just don't take it out on the dog.

WolfChan, I posted in the wrong forum, must be losing my mind. I meant to put it in another one, and well you see what I done. LOL. I think I will wear these dark glasses for awhile so I will not be recognized. :cool: :confused: Maybe I will be mistaken for a cool person?
:)

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Originally posted by aly




Please don't despise the dog. It is not his fault that his owners don't give him proper love, attention, and care :( The poor thing is probably bored out of his mind. I understand why you're annoyed, but just don't take it out on the dog.

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Oh I know Aly. I feel so sorry for him. He just seems to be so neglected and bored out of his mind. I would never take anything out at the dog. I am annoyed by his late night barking, but its his owner's fault. The other dogs in our neighborhood are loved and have never bothered anyone. This one just doesn't have enough love, care, or attention. :(

For the record, I don't have a problem with responsible hunters. My dad is one. I've even gone out with him on occassion. My mother "hunts" too. She goes out but has never got anything.

We hunt because we enjoy venision and to help keep the deer population down since there are no natural predators in this area.

I'm not going to say that I hate hunters. My friend runs an awesome program where he helps people who have gotten a dog that's too energetic for their household. He will train the dogs and take them out hunting once or twice a month. He is a very responsible person and it shows. The dogs are always in top physical shape and very happy. I've heard more than one person say that they were able to keep their dogs because of him!

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Originally posted by petlover
Well, I have never met a hunter around here that was nice. Never. I have talked to many hunters and introduced myself, and all that they said was " Good for you." I am not saying that all hunters are rude at all. Just these. I have nothing against what they do. Just how they party all night, get drunk, and go do stupid stuff. I am not saying that all hunters do that. The hunters around here do it every night.

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Well, that is because they are unethical hunters. Ethical hunters do not get drunk and party, then go into the woods and handle a firearm. That is one of the 1000 rules we pound into the students heads at hunter safety classes. If they were ethical hunters they would not be drinking so they can insure they are safe in the woods (unless a totally unrelated accident happens).

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As to hunters? I have major problems with 'them'. The difference between the meat packing industry and 'hunting'? The meat packers aren't getting off on the 'sport' of it.

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So, are you are basically saying that all hunters are like that!? :confused: If you are (and you may not be), I am greatly offended...I do not hunt for the sport, neither do the other (125+)people I have hunted with/currently hunt with.

There are three groups of hunters: ethical, unethical, and sport. Ethical hunters are the safe hunters who do not drink, do not shoot out of season, do not shoot over the limit, follow all laws and regulations, hunt for the meat, etc. Ethical hunters also practice for hours at a shooting range, insuring that the animal they harvest will be shot so it won't suffer and endure pain. Unethical hunters, are basically poachers in some ways, who drink before handling a firearm, are not safe out in the woods, do not follow laws, hunt over the limit, etc. Unethical hunters do not care where they hit their animal, and could care less about the slow death and pain the animal is going through. Sport hunters are the ones who go for the big trophy game- WHICH I DO NOT SUPPORT OR BELIEVE IN...may I add. There is a small percentage of sport hunters, and they really aren't true hunters in my eyes. The idea of killing animals confined in a pen, waiting for the supplement fed 30 point buck is not truly hunting. 95% of the hunters kill for the meat, not for the sport. If game farms could be outlawed, I am all for it- AND I AM A HUNTER!

I do not get off on the "sport' of hunting. I get off on hanging out with my hunting buddies, who many of which I do not see other times during the year- due to work, school, etc. I also get off on the fact that I am HELPING the animal population by removing problem animals such as raccoons- which are killing off duck, goose, and other wild bird populations. Also by killing the sick animals (mainly deer), so ensure that the ones that survive are not sick and diseased. I also get off on being out in the woods, I could care less if I do or do not get an animal, it is a joy to just walk around listening to the birds and watching the squirrels.

Also, who do you suppose are the biggest and main supporters of wildlife conservation groups such as Ducks Unlimited, White Tails Unlimited, National Wild Turkey Federation, etc!?! HUNTERS! It is because of hunters that these groups are here, in a good way. Theses groups are here to insure the survival of the species and protect their habitats from development and other factors that kill off their habitat.

Hunters also generate BILLIONS of dollars each year for the economy. Hunting equipment is not cheap!! $20-40,000 for a pick-up truck, $200-2,000 for guns, $30-60/ case of ammunition, $100-900 grocery bills, heck one pair of camo pants can run you $90, a jacket can run you $700, and there is much much more that hunters spend their money on.

(As for the meat packing industry, I rather see the animal running wild before it is killed, rather than cramped in a slaughter house getting a rod shot into its head (many times not dying on the first hit) and processed while it is still conscious- after all, that IS what happens in a meat house. At least with (ethnical) hunting the animal has more chances of getting away, they are wild and free, and they are killed correctly 99% of the time, and are not cut open and processed while they are still alive.)

Here are some links to the conservation groups I mentioned above. I thought I should post them, in case any one wanted to learn more about them and how hunters greatly impact the animal world:

Ducks Unlimited My dad and I are members of this group. DU deals with all types of wildlife, not just waterfowl/ducks.
Whitetails Unlimited
National Wild Turkey Federation
Rocky Mountain Elf Foundation

YellowLabLover,
You are soooo right, I cannot stand to see somebody shoot a deer, just to get its head. That sickens me, I really like the way you used the word harvest, true.

I seen something the other day that just turned my stomack, we were driving down a back road, and there by the side of the road was a box somebody had put a deer in, all they wanted was the antlers(is that right?), it looked like they just dug it out of the top of its head and then threw the rest out. That is what really bothers me about hunting, seeing such waste. There are hungry people everywhere that would love to have had the meat they threw away. What a waste!

Tray

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Originally posted by trayi52
YellowLabLover,
You are soooo right, I cannot stand to see somebody shoot a deer, just to get its head. That sickens me, I really like the way you used the word harvest, true.

I seen something the other day that just turned my stomack, we were driving down a back road, and there by the side of the road was a box somebody had put a deer in, all they wanted was the antlers(is that right?), it looked like they just dug it out of the top of its head and then threw the rest out. That is what really bothers me about hunting, seeing such waste. There are hungry people everywhere that would love to have had the meat they threw away. What a waste!

Tray

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Yeah, that is sad and sick. My dad and I, (and our hunting friends) would never do that. I remember when my dad hit a deer, he felt really bad, and he wanted to salvage as much as possible so he wouldn't waist it, but the deer was to banged up. :( He felt pretty bad about that for a while. Luckily, he hasn't hit any more deer!

This past deer season, we had a group of about 18 people hunting together, and we all agreed that if we got a lot of deer, we could take our portions then donate the rest to a food pantry. BUT- we only got one deer. Maybe next year we can give more. :)


Yep, they are called antlers, not horns. The difference between the two: antlers are shed every year and new ones grow back, and horns are permanent and don't fall off the animals head.

YLL ... Excellent posts, I agree completely.

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Originally posted by trayi52
YellowLabLover,
You are soooo right, I cannot stand to see somebody shoot a deer, just to get its head. That sickens me, I really like the way you used the word harvest, true.

I seen something the other day that just turned my stomack, we were driving down a back road, and there by the side of the road was a box somebody had put a deer in, all they wanted was the antlers(is that right?), it looked like they just dug it out of the top of its head and then threw the rest out. That is what really bothers me about hunting, seeing such waste. There are hungry people everywhere that would love to have had the meat they threw away. What a waste!

Tray

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my dad will hunt and we eat the meet, my dad keeps the antlers (spelling?:o) and the dogs all get a leg each to chew :barf:. I dont mind moose steak but dear grooses me out. YUK.. My dad has only ekpt one deer head and it coast alot of money to get it stuffed, I hate it, it is freaky.. :eek:

Well Jynelle(sp?), As long as he is as she said harvesting the meat, I see nothing wrong with that. My husband killed a deer one time, he was so proud of it he hung its head in my living room, ewwwweee, I hated that. He loves deer meat, me I really don't like it that much, I do like it if you make jerky out of it, it really is good that way.

But getting back to the head, I hated that head and he hung it in my living room, staring at me all the time, I had decorated it the way I wanted, and he hangs its head in there, I kept moving it around, around to all kinds of different spots, hehehe, I finally put it in a place in the living room that was very high, and it sort of looked like a different room except with a latter that went up to it. Get the picture? Probably not, difficult to discribe this room my husband built there so long ago. I would always think Bambi, when I would look at it.

No, I am not against hunting at all, I just hate to see them wasted and used just for the trophy, when there is food some hungry family could use. The responsible hunters are like the one described as not going into the woods with a snoot full.

Tray

Yellowlablover, AMEN!!!!!!
As the wife of a hunters ed instrctor I couldn't have said it better, also having hubby being a taxidermist unfortuantly we do see trophy hunters,but we try to make a good out of a bad thing . We try to get them to leave us the meat and we have a list of low income folks who need the meat. Usually they do .

this is a very interesting post.. humm..

I know Jynnelle, I confuse a lot of people, I even confuse myself sometimes.;)

MY husbands doctor says he knows why my husband has nerve problems. I said " who me", Whoops there I go again.

Tray:)

I think hunters are fine, as long as they obey the law and use the animal wisely. People tend to think that it's wrong to shoot deer, without realizing just HOW many deer there really are. In my opinion, that's just cutting down on the number of deers that will get hit by cars anyways (When my aunt was young, the person who was driving her hit a deer. The poor thing was lying there dieing and they called the authorities but it was illegal to shoot it. He had a rifle in the back, but he wasn't allowed to shoot it! So they had to watch the poor thing die -- how sad!).

I'm never going to go hunting myself. It would be interesting, but once I get a deer, I wouldn't want to look at it, or touch it, or anything. I'd have to pay someone else to do everything for me. So I'll just buy from the store. There's a great fresh dog food place in Vernon that sells deer meat. That's where I'll be going for the pooches.

Jordan, that is the way I feel, I really don't think, as a matter of fact I just could not kill a deer at all. That is something that has always been hard for me, I just can't bring myself to take a life. I have a hard time stepping on bugs. LOL.

I know I think what you said about the deer being hit by a car, I think the state of TN is about the same way. It is not right, but some of the laws here are just rediculus.

Somebody brought us a deer one night, they shot it and didn't want to clean it, so they took the head as a trophy and gave us the meat. My husband loves deer meat, which I am not that crazy about it, though I do like to make Jerky out of it.

Tray

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Originally posted by trayi52

I do like to make Jerky out of it.

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MMMM JERKY lol. My dad's friend went hunting and brought us some deer sausages and bear jerky lol.

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Originally posted by wolfsoul
MMMM JERKY lol. My dad's friend went hunting and brought us some deer sausages and bear jerky lol.

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Bear, Elk, and Bison jerky is the best jerky on the planet!!! Especially the way my dad's friend makes it!!

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Originally posted by wolfsoul
When my aunt was young, the person who was driving her hit a deer. The poor thing was lying there dieing and they called the authorities but it was illegal to shoot it. He had a rifle in the back, but he wasn't allowed to shoot it! So they had to watch the poor thing die -- how sad!

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I agree. I have a bad childhood memory dealing with a deer getting hit by a car. To make a long story short: I was looking the rear-view mirror, and noticed a deer try to JUMP over the car. The deer hit its back legs on the car. The car kept on going. I told my dad, we turned around. The deer dragged itself using only its front legs about 250 yards into the woods. The person who hit it didn't realize what happened at first, that's why they kept on driving. They eventually came back, and we called the cops. We had to watch this deer slowly stinking in a marsh waiting for the police officer to come and kill it. When the cop got there, he didn't want to kill the deer, because he would get his shoes dirty!! That is what he said, not kidding. So my dad walked into the swamp and put the deer out of its misery. Poor deer. I felt horrible!

However, I do think it is kind of a good idea that peoples other than the authorities cannot kill deer. In a situation like that, your adrenaline is on full speed, and you can do some pretty stupid stuff, because you really aren't looking at the full picture and can't think clearly. That is a mad mix: high adrenaline and a gun. Cops are trained to use guns in high adrenaline situations and have better control of guns and better judgment than the average person. So, in away it is a good law, because it prevents other accidents from happening. That is unless you get a moron cop like the one who came to our scene.

Aww poor deer. :( Here you can only shoot the deer if you drag it so many km into the forest or whatnot. Plus, I'm not sure, but I believe it has to be a certain time of year.

I just have to get off the subject here, but Jordan, I love your new sig, it is so colorful.

willie