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And if you really want to get this party started... I'll tell you what else I think.
I believe they should legalize prostitution. It is a victimless crime, my friends. Properly regulated and health inspected- as in Nevada, the taxes alone could buy computers for public schools all over the nation.
Oh Lord, TwoKitties, what are you trying to do to PT!!;) :p
Toss in some wine and it's, Wine Women and...Quote:
Originally posted by 2kitties
And if you really want to get this party started...
forget it...:eek:
*hangs head in shame*
And not only is there unbelievable tax revenue from legal, regulated brothels, but fewer young girls will fall victim to pimps and street life. If the health codes were made and enforced, then the disease spread would be far less than that of illegal prostitution on the streets.
I will say that I just had this sort of conversation with a friend of mine. A lot of this discussion deals with morality and I don't think the government has any right to legislate morality since your morality and my morality may be totally different.
As for people who smoke pot being useless, I would like to point out that my nephew smokes pot on a regular basis and is a city planner with a master's degree in Environmental Planning and has designed a "gradebook" for neighborhoods that is being used all over the country.....so much for useless. ;)
Oh, and I have never smoked it and never will, but, have never smoked a cigarette either simply because I think it's gross and stinks, but that's my opinion and I refuse to inflict my opinion on others simply because I choose not to participate....
Oh yeah...hey Soledad.....when I teach health I give them the facts and don't try to sway their opinion one way or the other! ;) :p
I find it funny how a lot of the politicians saying 'no' to decriminalisation were raging pot heads themselves in the '60s! :eek:
I'm becoming an old and cynical voter - so I say 'yes' as long as the stuff is taxed to high heaven like ciggies and booze, and those who want to partake can help reduce the tax I pay :)
Just don't smoke in my car - ewwwwww!
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Originally posted by Miss Meow
Just don't smoke in my car - ewwwwww!
I only smoke when I'm on fire...
you are safe.... ;)
I am really in two minds about this one, part of me votes yah, and part of me votes nay.
I have know a lot of people who started off just taking pot, and ended up on harder drugs, so is this really a non-addictive drug, it really causes a lack of motivation in most people, and I personally know a person who smokes it regularly, he really is a no-hoper, he does not work, yet he is incredibly intelligent, they say it kills the brain cells, I have yet to see the evidence , especially where he is concerned, he has been doing this for years and is still bright as a button.
Not that I would choose to do this, but I would personally rather travel in a car with someone stoned than drunk, they are much more careful, and take things slow.
There is talk of it being decriminalised in NZ ,I think its only a matter of time, 2kitties prostitution became legal in NZ just recently.
Like the others have said if it becomes legal, then tax it to the hilt.
I do believe it should be available to people with serious illness, who suffer extreme pain, for pain relief, it is known to really help in these situations.
It would put a stop to all the gangs in NZ making huge profits, the drug scene is their main income, and they make big money, and that I am all for, maybe a few more people would not die at the hands of these gangs when a deal goes wrong as well. Just MO for what its worth.
Hey,Quote:
Originally posted by carole
so is this really a non-addictive drug, it really causes a lack of motivation in most people, and I personally know a person who smokes it regularly, he really is a no-hoper, he does not work
Don't make fun of Bill Clinton-
He didn't inhale....:eek:
HA HA Richard very funny, I wonder were you the class clown in high school? just kiddin:)
I say no. It's very dangerous and addictive. It causes you to hallucinate and use poor judgement. It's a lot more dangerous that cigarettes or alcohol and we should continue to fight the war against drugs. Would you rather it be like a park I saw on tv? If I'm not mistaken, it was in England. All the addicts were there and free needles were handed out. Isn't that nice?
Since you mentioned it...YES!! Actually I was the 'CRASS' clown..Quote:
Originally posted by carole
HA HA Richard very funny, I wonder were you the class clown in high school? just kiddin:)
Years ago there was an anti-drug movie made called
Reefer Madness...it is available......
Now it's more kitsch than anything else.....
but worth a peek!
;)
Rated G for general audiences.....
Your neohew must be a special kind of person then.Quote:
Originally posted by mugsy
As for people who smoke pot being useless, I would like to point out that my nephew smokes pot on a regular basis and is a city planner with a master's degree in Environmental Planning and has designed a "gradebook" for neighborhoods that is being used all over the country.....so much for useless. ;)
All of the people i've known to smoke marijuana were indeed intelligent, but because of them being on the drug, they did nothing and were complete bums.
The government is not my mother. I don't think the government should be able to tell me what I can or can't put in my mouth.
Well, if you want to go that route, then a bunch of men shouldn't be allowed to decide if a woman could have an abortion or not. There are all kinds of rules to follow. Who's to say which are good and which are bad?
Yes, and if going that route.. the government shouldn't tell me that I can't kill someone. 'Cause the government isn't my mother. :rolleyes:
indeed, they shouldn't.:DQuote:
Originally posted by dukedogsmom
Well, if you want to go that route, then a bunch of men shouldn't be allowed to decide if a woman could have an abortion or not. There are all kinds of rules to follow. Who's to say which are good and which are bad?
Hey, we agree on something!
Oh yes, and the government isn't my mother so they should be able to tell me how I should drive either. :p
:eek: ok... i'm not a pot expert, but isn't just inhaling the smoke make you high? if it's legal people will smoke on the streets and everybody will inhale the the smoke and junk. and i'd rather not inhale some recycled smoke from somebody's lungs:rolleyes:
Yay. I vote it should be legal, but not in public places because of second hand smoke. I have lost friends because of alcohol. I have known people to become violent, stupid, or incoherant because of alcohol. I know plenty of people who smoke pot. None of them have ever had an accident or stupid moment because of it. None of them use other drugs either.
If the government wants to prevent me from hurting other people, that's fine. But the government doesn't have any business governing what I eat, drink, or smoke.
It's unhealthy to eat too much. So should the government toss you in jail if you exceed a certain calorie limit?
So are you saying it should be legal for kids and teenagers to smoke and drink, because the government isn't their mother?
Pot is neither addictive nor does it cause hallucinations. This is scientifically proven. hallucinations are a product of other drugs, and are not associated with pot. At the park in England you have read about, if needles were handed out, then it wasn't pot. Pot is not injected.Quote:
Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I say no. It's very dangerous and addictive. It causes you to hallucinate and use poor judgement. It's a lot more dangerous that cigarettes or alcohol and we should continue to fight the war against drugs. Would you rather it be like a park I saw on tv? If I'm not mistaken, it was in England. All the addicts were there and free needles were handed out. Isn't that nice?
While pot is not addictive, those people who are predisposed to addictions may use it as a stepping stone. Those people could use anything as a stepping stone: pot, alcohole, nicotine, cucumbers.
So, while there are arguements for keeping the plant illegal, addiction and hallucination are not a part.
I'm speaking for myself, as an adult who is legally able to make my own decisions. The government does have more of a pseudo-parental role where minors are concerned.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
So are you saying it should be legal for kids and teenagers to smoke and drink, because the government isn't their mother?
But for adults, I think the government spends entirely too much time and money prying into our private lives.
Hm, Ok. If you say so.
I think they have a right to, to some point.
I'd rather not see our country turn into a bunch of pot smoking bums. :)
not sure how we got here from there, but I assume that was not her point. no.Quote:
Originally posted by Kfamr
So are you saying it should be legal for kids and teenagers to smoke and drink, because the government isn't their mother?
If someone is going to be a "bum," no amount of legislation will prevent it. People may choose to ruin their lives through too much drink, too many drugs, gambling, overeating, overspending, or watching too much TV. If a person is looking for an escape from reality, he'll find it somewhere.
Conversely, many people smoke marijuana and lead normal, productive lives. If you're a well-balanced adult, pot isn't going to single-handedly turn you into a bum.
This is toooo funny! Just a couple days ago, we had this same discussion on another board I post to. So, I'll just copy my response from over there to here. :D
I believe that smoking pot is not healthy for you. I also think that drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes and eating fettucini alfredo is not healthy for you.
I think the effect on your health is, of course, directly related to how much you drink or smoke. Obviously, someone that smokes one joint a week is not damaging their body as much as someone who smokes 30 cigarettes a day, or drinks a fifth of vodka a day.
I personally do not see any logic whatsoever in the fact that alcohol is legal, and marijuana is not. They are both drugs, they are both addictive, they are both unhealthy for you if used in excess, they both impair your ability to drive, etc. Why is one legal, and one is illegal? Makes no sense to me.
My own personal experience - when I drank, I was ten foot tall, bullet proof, funny, smart, a great driver, etc. In short, I was dangerous. When I smoked pot, I was sleepy and mellow and just sat around and smiled at people. Pot was much less dangerous for me than alcohol.
I don't do either one anymore. I don't drink because I have little common sense or self control when I drink, I just can't handle it. I don't smoke pot because I have a twelve year old child, and I personally believe I would lose all credibility with him if he found out I did, or, perish the thought, that I would get busted for it.
I absolutely think marijuana should be legal for medicinal purposes. Morphine is.
I also believe you can't legislate vices. You can drive them underground, and create a black market, but you will never, ever make them disappear by making them illegal. Prohibition didn't work, the "war on drugs" isn't working. It is the nature of many, many human beings to indulge in mood-altering, addictive substances - be it alcohol, nicotine, valium, or marijuana.
I think marijuana should be legalized. I honestly don't believe there would be a sudden rush of adults buying pot just because it is legal, when they had no desire to try it before. Come on, it's not like it's difficult to find now. And it would be just like alcohol is now for underage kids ... harder to get, but not impossible. Pot is never going to go away. It's always going to be around, always going to be smoked, bought and sold. The government might as well control it, and make some tax revenue off of it. Whether they make the money, or some drug dealer makes the money, it's not going away.
CatsinDenver ... good post, I agree.
Well im kind of mixed!!
its said to help people with artritous etc (?sp)
yet the say one puff of a ciggerette take a minute off your life and a puff a pot takes a brain cell away!!!
if it were to become legal it should be for medical reasons only or over 21's non public places things like that!!
personly id never touch the stuff unless it would help any medical problems better than whats currently avallible!!!
I wonder where we would be if this thread had incuded a poll- 50/50?
I really believed marijuana would be legalized 30 years ago, but now I could list all the reasons that I believe that it won't be.
I told my son that the most dangerous thing about pot was that it was illegal. Smoking it can ruin your life if you get caught. And you can't get or keep a job that does drug screens or random testing.
Anyway, the USA wouldn't become much worse or much better if pot were legalized, but many (myself included) would welcome such a change.
Keep on truckin'!
When you think about it closly!! we are ruled by rules made by people who think they know it all and can do what they like!!!
if they say lets put taxs up, it WILL go up, if they say drugs are illegal they WILL be illegal, if they want fox hunting baned it WILL be banned, the list gos on and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it (even if everyone doesnt want it), their word go's and thats final!! soon, as in Iraq a bad thing said about Bush (or who-ever is "leader")etc you'l be prisoned or shot!!!
its heading that way slowly!!
FREE contry my *** (sorry)
sorry but it really annoys me that we have no chose!!!
Ky and Rio
I truly don't believe that if you legalize pot that it will become a problem. Conversely I think it's a problem now because it IS illegal. I have talked to many of my students about it and they all said that the reason they do/did it is because it's a thrill to do something illegal. It was no big deal to them and most of them never did it again. I actually think that the problem would lessen if it were legal. And we would have the tax base. I do think that it should be taxed heavily just as tobacco is and alcohol should be. Personally I could care less what someone does in the privacy of their home, but don't drive after using pot or drinking alcohol. I actually find pot smoke a whole lot less offensive than tobacco smoke (but both of them nauseate me :) )
Twisterdog, you're my hero.:p :)
I think you know that's quite inflammatory. Do you have a link to your research for this "fact"?Quote:
Originally posted by Rio and Me
in Iraq a bad thing said about Bush (or who-ever is "leader")etc you'l be prisoned or shot!!!
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LOVE YOU SOLEDAD!:DQuote:
Originally posted by Soledad
She's barely literate, you think she's got footnotes?:rolleyes:
*air kiss*
;)
Actually i think you miss-understood what i said!!
in Iraq if the people said anything bad about sadam or confronted him they would have been killed!!! i ment i time we will not be able to stand up to whoever is our so called "leader" !
and i am barely Literate thank you i have difficultys reading and writing/spelling!!!!!
Ky and Rio
I understood what you meant, Ky:)