Hehe :)Quote:
Originally posted by Dogz
"If you can afford a computer, you can affort a CD."
-Nelly
I have all of Nelly's songs on MP3 but, i've also bought every single on of those CD's as well. :)
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Hehe :)Quote:
Originally posted by Dogz
"If you can afford a computer, you can affort a CD."
-Nelly
I have all of Nelly's songs on MP3 but, i've also bought every single on of those CD's as well. :)
I admit to downloading a few songs back when I was a poor teenager whose tiny little allowance bearly stretched to clothing and lollies, let alone CD's. I had a computer, thank you Nelly, but it was owned and paid for by my mother. It still resides in the familial abode.
Downloading music. A hot issue indeed.
Yes, it is stealing. Yes, it is "wrong," but judge not lest ye be judged and consider a few new aspects to the debate:
1) The record companies talk of all this lost "profit," but let's use our noggins for a moment. A 12-year-old girl downloads a thousand songs, which they consider to be worth $3,000 dollars. Had she not downloaded them, she would never ever been able to afford them, and probably would never have heard most of the music. Therefore, it is not "lost profit." It never existed in the first place! What it amounts to, in fact, is greater exposure for artists with the teenage crowds. Which will later generate "real" profits. When these teenagers are adults, some will continue to download music but most will "get a life" away from their internet friends, use their computers less and buy music from music stores because, let's face it, it's much classier to do so. How many 40 year olds do you know that download music? LOL!
2) Continuing from point 1, I "discovered," through the medium of downloading music, artists such as Travis, James and Coldplay long before their music was available in Australia. My Internet friends overseas recommended that I download this song and that song. Now that I have the money, I very rarely download music - I pay for it - and the artists I choose are those that I once listened to "for free" and took a liking to. If I do download music, it is for a "sample." In my opinion, you cannot beat the quality of a CD, because the MP3 format is compression, no matter which way you look at it.
4) Sure, you can download a song for a dollar but how many teenagers own a credit card? They may have a dollar in their pocket, yes, but if they go into a store they will be charged the "highway robbery" prices in the CD shops. And it's not just us being robbed, by the way, the artists themselves see pitifully small portions of the profit ending up in their pockets. Yet, no one speaks up about this issue!
5) I have a strong distaste for most "popular" and "top 40's music," thus some of the music I like is very difficult to find in stores. Some of the MP3's I have aren't even available in this country yet. But, when they do become available here, myself and others who have listened to them already know the artists and their style and will happily pay for it. I am still waitng for Boa to become available in Aussie stores!
6) I 100% disagree with new data security algorithms that allow CD producers to stop you copying your own music. If I buy a CD, paying $30 bucks, I want the right to keep a copy of a song on my computer and have the hard disk in my car if I so choose. I do not run Kazaa or any such programs, therefore no one else can access and copy that song.
Let's remember folks, there is no such thing as "black and white" arguments when you are trying to define something as vague as intellectual property.
EDIT: damn typo! And I just have to add that I really can't call Britney Spears an "Artist." Sorry, I just can't bring myself to do it .........;)
For those who like to listen to music -- I recomend
www.launch.com
It's free and legal!
Ash
$30?!? Is that in Australian money, or... :confused: Here in MN, we pay about $14-20 for a CD. Kmart can be such a rip off.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty
If I buy a CD, paying $30 bucks, I want the right to keep a copy of a song on my computer and have the hard disk in my car if I so choose.
I am going to check this out.:)Quote:
Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
For those who like to listen to music -- I recomend
www.launch.com
It's free and legal!
Ash
Yep! I have Downloaded a few times before, not lately, the site that i go to *guarentees* its Free and legal.. The prices of cd's are alot (here at least) And what if you only wanted one song? Uh hello! 25 bucks down the drain, if your only going to listen to that one song you like.. Sorry but thats my opionion.. I think it's nicer to just download a few mixed songs on one cd.. I dont think its considered stealing, really.. *but thats my opionion*
If downloading music is such a terrible offence, why isn't it illegal to have a site where you can download?
Jynnelle and I went to the movies yesterday and they had a preview that mainly said to stop pirating. Their attempts mean well, but will they work? I don't think they will. While the prices of CDs are so high, and while downloading off the computer is free and more convenient, I don't they they will.
I have a cd burner lol, but I dont know how to use them lol my brother does it for me. I think ppl in the music buisness get paid too much anyways, so Why not burn cds. they have millions of dollers anyways. meh ...
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I think Sam Walton makes too much money, adn I think toaster ovens are too expensive. Therefore I can go to Walmart and take a toaster oven without paying for it.Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I have a cd burner lol, but I dont know how to use them lol my brother does it for me. I think ppl in the music buisness get paid too much anyways, so Why not burn cds. they have millions of dollers anyways. meh ...
good point BAB...... I myself just play my old "vinyl" albums or hum to myself :rolleyes: Radio's are still free.
I too have a CD burner (built into the computor)!
Why is it there? to make a copy of your CD?
so it cant be illegal if every new computor usualy has them?!?
a blank CD cost money, so you record a CD onto it a give it to a friend or somthing? i dont see a problem with that, ive done loads for my family, its not like im mass producing them to make money!
Ky and Rio
Your cd burner is so you can burn your files to a cd for archiving or transferring. Or you can make mixes of music you have purchased.Quote:
Originally posted by Rio and Me
I too have a CD burner (built into the computor)!
Why is it there? to make a copy of your CD?
so it cant be illegal if every new computor usualy has them?!?
a blank CD cost money, so you record a CD onto it a give it to a friend or somthing? i dont see a problem with that, ive done loads for my family, its not like im mass producing them to make money!
Ky and Rio
Every household has a butcher knife- it isn't legal for you to take it out and stab people with it.
You know it is stealing, everyone knows it is stealing. I think it is hilarious that so many people spend so much time trying to justify what they know is a crime.
And it is rediculous to think the nickle you paid to the cd manufacturer to buy the blanks goes to the artist you are stealing from.
For those who wonder why the interfaces are out there, just do some reading. They can't be targeted because they are cybermedium which simply mask a large gneutella database that is unreachable.
Ok i know what you mean now, with the files and stuff and the knife thing!
but surly if they were that desperate for people NOT to burn CD's and make a "trade" out of them, then surly with all the technoligy we have today they could make them so you can burn files but not CD's!
i dont think that me burning off a few CD's is going to hurt the artist to much!! i mean its not like their struggling to eat etc!!
Ky and rio
So Ky, if your favorite artist were struggling to eat you would give them some money. Otherwise not. This makes sense to you??
And no, I don't think it's stealing. If it is made available for free, then it's not stealing.
So anna, do you believe it is okay to take goods someone else already stole? That is what you are saying.
It is a crime. It is stealing. Why is this so hard for people to understand. You are simply finding an easy way to get something for free that you rightfully should pay for.
It doesn't matter if you think music costs to much at Walmart. You are not in charge of setting costs of things in this world. Just because we don't like the price of something, does not give us the right to steal it.
It is stealing and everybody knows it is stealing. So, if you choose to do it, be man or woman enough to say "yes, I know it is stealing and illegal, but I choose to do it anyway." Don't try to justify it as okay. We aren't Robin Hood. And, if you choose to do it anyway, and the record companies or recording artists choose to prosecute you, then you should be man or woman enough to face the consequences of your actions. Fines or jail time- you earned it.
Well said!Quote:
Originally posted by 2kitties
So anna, do you believe it is okay to take goods someone else already stole? That is what you are saying.
It is a crime. It is stealing. Why is this so hard for people to understand. You are simply finding an easy way to get something for free that you rightfully should pay for.
It doesn't matter if you think music costs to much at Walmart. You are not in charge of setting costs of things in this world. Just because we don't like the price of something, does not give us the right to steal it.
I have a CD burner, and ALWAYS burn CD's, but I ALWAYS do it legally. I have *never* downloaded stuff off of illegal websites and burned them onto a CD. I usually burn CD's to CD's.............like computer games for example. We buy one and make a copy (for personal use), so my brother and I can play against each other from different computers, etc. That's ok I believe, since we bought the CD.............we already have it, and then the copy........we're using it ourselves, just to have a duplicate. I also burn my digital pictures onto CD's, etc. That's all legal use of a CD burner, and there are SO many other reasons one would have to use it LEGALLY. CD burners are not there to use illegally. You can do wrong things with any product........whether its a cd burner or a computer or whatever. Its how you choose to use it..........and really, everyone's accountable for what they do.
Devil's advocate again. Let's say I go in to Walmart, look at toaster ovens, but I'm bummed because they cost so much.Quote:
Originally posted by anna_66
And no, I don't think it's stealing. If it is made available for free, then it's not stealing.
I then go outside and there's a guy there with a truckload of clearly stolen, still in the box toaster ovens. He offers me one. Is it a crime to take it? YES. it's called receiving stolen goods.
just because it's free on the internet doesn't make it legal. You can get kiddie porn on the net for free.
Someone else mentioned it, and I'd like to follow up. Is this a crime. YES. is it a horrible crime? not in the big scheme of things but it IS illegal.
Do I really care if you steal music? nah, not really. But I'm impressed and apalled at the lengths some of you will go to to rationalize breaking the law. To make it seem alright, heck to make it seem that it's not illegal.
I also marvel that some of you were very quick to jump on..who... tikeya's mom I think, when she didn't cite stuff off the internet on her own webpage. Can you not see the irony in that?
Again, I don't really care if you're doing it, I'm not judging you negatively for downloading (not that my opinion matters to any of you), but I am shocked at the degrees to which you'll go defending the breaking of laws.
I don't like that the speed limit on Coal ave. is 30. Sometimes I go 35mph, but I know I'm speeding, I know I'm breaking the law, and heck I even know it can be dangerous. I wont tell you it's a dumb law, and an arbitrary law, and I wont tell you that speeding isnt *really* breaking the law. That gosh, they wouldn't make the road so smooth and cars so powerful if they didnt want you to go faster. they wouldnt have the lights timed so you could go either 30 or 35 or 40 without missing a light....
The ability to rationalize is important, rationalizations are important. But it's imperative that we are aware we are doing it.
I am sorry to bring this up, but when you buy a computer game, you can make a backup of it in case something happens to the original CD, but you can use it on only one computer. Even if you bought it and you own it, you still have to buy different games to put on a different computer. Companies like Microsoft consider it stealing if you put it on more than one computer. If you are going to use it on another computer, then like the schools that run a certain program, then you have to pay extra for that too.
Read the labels. If it says you can share it then it is okay.
If you notice with the new operating system XP, it is only allowed to be used on one computer, you buy the system, install it on your computer and then try installing it on another computer.
Good point tray. and they do THAT to stop piracy. If people didnt pirate, they wouldn't need to do that.
Yes. A program I use often, Quark, has extreme security measures on its newest version. You can't even install at all without registering. In order to use on more than one computer you either have to buy a seat license or multiple copies. I think that is only fair, though. People are ruthless and will buy it for their company and install it for all their layout artists. That isn't right. The software manufacturers have to do something to protect their interests.
Indeed, if they didn't do that, folks would be downloading Quark from free sites.
exactly.
Ok as popcornbird said i have brought the CD first, then i might burn it off for my car or to keep as a copy or just to give it to a friend who cant afford a CD! so i have given the artist what they asked and they havnt lost anything by me burning one off!
I sometimes burn some CD's for my gran so she can have a spare, she also has brought that CD!
lbaker i dont understand what you mean!!!
ive NEVER downloaded off the internet, but as ive said before its so easy to download stuff (acctually i dont know who, :) )
off the net so why dont they stop the people allowing it to happen that way noone can do it, problem solved!
Ky and Rio
If you copy the cd for yourself and you've paid for it, then it is legal. But you have broken the law when you make a copy for your friends who can't afford a cd.Quote:
Originally posted by Rio and Me
Ok as popcornbird said i have brought the CD first, then i might burn it off for my car or to keep as a copy or just to give it to a friend who cant afford a CD! so i have given the artist what they asked and they havnt lost anything by me burning one off!
I sometimes burn some CD's for my gran so she can have a spare, she also has brought that CD!
lbaker i dont understand what you mean!!!
ive NEVER downloaded off the internet, but as ive said before its so easy to download stuff (acctually i dont know who, :) )
off the net so why dont they stop the people allowing it to happen that way noone can do it, problem solved!
Ky and Rio
I'm going to say ONE MORE TIME: The gneutella system is a cybermedium. Kazaa, napster, morpheus, etc are simply interfaces. They can be shut down, but gneutella, being a cybermedium, can't. It doesn't exist anywhere. When they shut down napster, morpheus popped up, then Kazaa, then more and more. The actually gneutella system, being out in cyberspace, can't be penetrated with technology available to the government at this time. That is the reason 12 year olds and old men are being sued. It is the only way the companies have at this time to make people understand that it is WRONG and they aren't planning to put up with it.
ok im not breaking the law when i do it for myself, and fare enough when i do it for a friend i am!
all those websites your on about (for downloading music) ive never herd of them, wont visit them and will not be downloading any music off the net, because my computor has had a virus (from where i dont know/how i dont know) but i dont want it to get another one.
we all have our own opinions and while you say you dont do this, you must have done something illegal before?
Ky and Rio
That was exactly the point I was trying to make. When I said copying a game and installing it on another computer you own, even if it is in the same home, it is still considered stealing, so we all do things we are not aware of, that is illegal. I know it is a law that really sucks. We go out and pay a very large amount of money for these games, and programs, but it is like we are just paying for the right to use them, and they don’t really belong to us to do what we want to with them.
Ok, I heard that PCB was saying that you can copy a CD, well now they are trying to make it so all of the songs are hidden, so you can't make copies anymore. Have you heard about this? I was trying to make a copy of a CD, I got all the songs on the computer, and then the last song said *Hidden File*, you could listen to it, but after you tried to put it on another CD it wouldn't go on there. And yes, this was for my own personal use, if you were wondering.:)
I think it IS stealing. Period.:)
There's a Tupac CD of mine that has a hidden song on it, I've copied it onto my computer and onto another CD (because I like to make mix CD's of all my favorite songs on each CD) and it came out fine. So, I doubt that's going to stop anyone.
Besides, You can "un-hide" hidden files. I believe that's just so people can't download that file off your computer.
I've broken laws before. As I said, I've been known to speed on Coal ave.Quote:
Originally posted by Rio and Me
we all have our own opinions and while you say you dont do this, you must have done something illegal before?
Ky and Rio
and yes, I've downloaded. I have not since the naptster lawsuits. Since the courts determined legally that it was stealing.
Yes, I've personally broken laws, my point is, don't rationalize it, just see it for what it is. :)
you dont seen toaster manufactors making millions of dollers each year for doing pratically NOTHING :rolleyes: .... but whatever floats your boat.Quote:
Originally posted by babolaypo65
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I think Sam Walton makes too much money, adn I think toaster ovens are too expensive. Therefore I can go to Walmart and take a toaster oven without paying for it.
Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
you dont seen toaster manufactors making millions of dollers each year :rolleyes: .... but whatever floats your boat.
Well, of course they do or they wouldn’t be in business. They make a good profit, but they also have costs that every manufacturer incurs. Those include packaging, advertising, costs of theft, damaged goods, lost shipments, payroll, etc.
Hopefully many manufacturers will make profits, but they all have costs too.
Because they make millions, doesn’t make stealing right. Theft is theft, whether you steal a pack of gum from a homeless person or a million dollars from a bank.
What is this idea that it is okay to steal from someone who makes alot of money? That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. Guess what, they are talented people who make alot of money. Doctors are smart people who went to school for years and made alot of money. Lottery winners are just damn lucky and have alot of money. But you don't have the right to steal from anybody- no matter what they have.
Go out and make your own damn money and stop stealing.:mad:
Actually, they don't get paid much for the cd's they sell. The recording artist I talked to said that even famous groups like Destiny's Child lose money when they release a cd. I think she said they only recieve a couple cents per cd. The rest of the money goes to the company that signs them. She also said that a majority of their money comes from touring and promoting for other people. :)Quote:
Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I have a cd burner lol, but I dont know how to use them lol my brother does it for me. I think ppl in the music buisness get paid too much anyways, so Why not burn cds. they have millions of dollers anyways. meh ...
I think (for the most part), downloading music is stealing. It's whether or not you care (or even admit it).
I dont care, I admit that lol. I dont care if I burn a cd or download a movie. I mean common I am not going to go out and buy a new CD for 25$ when it only has one song on it that I like on it. What is the point, there isnt any... Sooooo, you pay for the internet, and use a dowloading process and download music then burn it on a blank CD. tell the stores to stop selling the damn blank rewritable cds if you dont want ppl to burn music onto them. :rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally posted by binka_nugget
I think (for the most part), downloading music is stealing. It's whether or not you care (or even admit it).
I use the copy on my computer........the one where I installed the original CD, and the original we use anywhere. I don't think there's anything wrong with it if we make a duplicate of something we bought, and don't share it with ANYONE other than ourselves. We bought it. :p But I've only done this to like two games anyway. :p At least I hope there's nothing wrong with it. I would hate to do something *wrong*. :oQuote:
Originally posted by trayi52
I am sorry to bring this up, but when you buy a computer game, you can make a backup of it in case something happens to the original CD, but you can use it on only one computer. Even if you bought it and you own it, you still have to buy different games to put on a different computer. Companies like Microsoft consider it stealing if you put it on more than one computer. If you are going to use it on another computer, then like the schools that run a certain program, then you have to pay extra for that too.
Read the labels. If it says you can share it then it is okay.
If you notice with the new operating system XP, it is only allowed to be used on one computer, you buy the system, install it on your computer and then try installing it on another computer.
great. another teen with no regard for the difference between right and wrong. Just what we need.
Exactly Tikeyasmom they make its so easy, its on a plate for people to take!
ok so its stealing from artist who "dont" make alot of money, but they DO make alot more money than i and some others who burn CD's!
its not doing any harm really!
Ky and rio
I know the difference between right and wrong but i dont think burning a mix cd is wrong because it isnt IMO..Quote:
Originally posted by 2kitties
great. another teen with no regard for the difference between right and wrong. Just what we need.