What WAS your limit?

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Originally posted by Twisterdog
OMG. I am speechless. And best that I stay that way, methinks.

*bites tongue, bites tongue, bites tongue*

Oh, Lord, give me strength, please.

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You took the words right outta my mouth Twisterdog. I am totally totally speechless and that is RARE.
And she is so proud of it, that is infuriating.


be nice
be nice
be nice
be nice
that is what the MAYOR says
be nice
be nice:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
this disgusts me. If she wants to talk about athletes go find another bulletin board.

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But to keep a dog underweight to improve it's performance....well I don't know what I would call that.

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Let's see ... how about "cruelty"? "Obsession"? "Lack of empathy for an innocent animal?" "Heartlessness?"

Am I getting warm? I can keep guessing. :p

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There's so much I would love to say.......but I've already been scolded for stating my opinions.

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Oh, I hear you. Me too. I'm just a big ole' meanie, doncha know? Hmmmmmmm ..... perhaps 'tis not you and I that are they ones with issues afterall, eh? :p

I'm with you guys---:(

I started off with only being allowed to have one, it eventually went up to two and was supposed to stay there until well I said the magic p word and now it's stuck at three and staying there at least until I have a place of my own and can afford another dog.

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Originally posted by cali
none, as in we dont have a limit never have, our dogs are athletes only shadow is a pet :p, of coarse the others are treated as pets, but they are athletes kept on exersize planes, and diet plans, and kept on a racing weight(if they were pets they would not be fat just a more normal weight) however the athletes are thin, light, agile, and bought, received, or adopted for sports not pets, so we really dont have a limit. :p

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Okay sorry folks have to say something about this. Normally as some of you know I hold my tounge and don't comment prefering to stay under the radar but this comment is just begging for me to say something about.

Like Cali's dogs my dogs are athletes however my dogs are PETS first and athletes second. They will always be pets first and athletes second. If at any point in time one of my dogs shows any sign of not enjoying agility then I will stop competing with them and just let them be a dog because that is what they were to start with. If at any time my dog has an injury that prevents them from playing then fine I'll deal with it, I will let them rest and relax and heal, even if it means that they can't play for a month or two months or the rest of their lives. It doesn't matter to me, as long as I still have my dogs. That is the reason why Winter will most likely never compete in flyball just because I don't want to risk her hurting her leg again...hence the reason she doesn't get to compete in agility trails all that often and when she does she gets entered in lower jump heights.

I didn't get my dogs just for a sport it actually happened the other way around. I got my dogs and then the sport found us. I started agility to help my dogs gain confidence something all three have needed and still need. and Yes I keep my dogs at a nice weight but that's because I want them to be healthy and live a longer life, the fact that it helps them perform better is just a plus.

To say that your dogs are atheletes first and then pets is complete crap. I'm sorry to say that but it is, I know people who have been competing in flyball and agility for more years then you can imagine and they're dogs are always pets first and athletes second. It's like your parents saying "Oh yeah my daughter? She's a maid first and my daughter second." or something like that...not a really nice thing to hear now is it?

I now return you to your regular nice quite unassuming Tracy.

WELL SAID TRACY!! :) YOU ROCK!

Anna..I can't believe how much Malone looks like my Cody..and yes indeedy..I described him as a golden lab too!!! (And he was so smart we called him "little man"..he never knew he was a K9 :eek: :p )I'd have at least 3 dogs if I could, but I think my personality and training abilities :rolleyes: allows me 1 at a time..

Excellent post Tracy! I have never had any doubt your dogs were your beloved pets, not just "athletes." I think flyball and agililty would be very fun sports to participate in. If I can find a place that teaches it, I'd definitely give it a try. However, it would be a hobby only and Nebo will always be considered a pet (well, actually, he's my furry child ;) ). I do, of course, keep him at a healthy weight. Notice I said HEALTHY. Keeping your dogs ridiculously thin is NOT healthy...and of course, them being overweight is not healthy either.

Dogs should be members of the family. I think it's wonderful if you want to find some sport to participate, and it can be beneficial to both you and your pet. But to say your dogs are just "athletes" is just sad IMO. I have the same feelings about how most mushing/sled dogs are treated. :(

I don't have a specific limit because it depends on my living situation and other circumstances at the time. Right now with all my fosters, I am very much at my limit of animals (above and beyond my limit). Down the road when I'm married and in a house, I'd ideally like to have 3 or 4 dogs and 3 cats maybe.

As far as the other topic of this thread, my dogs are family members to me, not objects. They'd get last place in any flyball or agility competition, but the love I receive from them more than makes up for any trophy :)

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It's like your parents saying "Oh yeah my daughter? She's a maid first and my daughter second." or something like that...not a really nice thing to hear now is it?

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Hey, I like it! My son plays soccer, so he is now to be an athlete only, not my son. Next time he is hungry, I'll tell him, "Sorry, only half a cup of green beans for you today, you have to stay, "thin, light, agile, and bought, received, or adopted for sports." I'm sure he'll understand.

Hey, and as long as they are "athletes", then there is no limit to the number of kids I could have "bought, received, or adopted for sports", right? Even if I don't have the time to spend with them or love them, and I can't afford proper care for them if they get sick or want to go to college ... hey, they're just athletes, not children, so who cares? I think I'll get about twenty ... one of them is bound to be something wonderful, right? And who cares about the inferior ones, they're just athletes. What a deal!

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none, as in we dont have a limit never have,

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The definition of which, by the way, is "collector" or "hoarder".

I must say again
"Well said Twisterdog!"
So since there are so many drug addicted babies being born and taken away from their mom's so they can have more. So they don't have a limit either. So That they can just keep having more and more and more babies. As long as they are light, and for sports, that's cool! Right!?!

First, one cat. Then, one dog and he could never come in the house. That lasted like 2 days.

5 is it!

Dick and I have had three dogs since I met him. Over the years as we've lost one friend, we've found new. When we got to four dogs, he said "NO MORE" but when the gal said she couldn't keep Kirby would I please take him, Dick caved.

But he did say "NO MORE DOGS!" again. This time, I'll listen. Five is a handful. Can't imagine how those with more do it.

huh? you guys are mad because I dont have a limit :confused: as for the skinny thing, I meant that they are an athletic weight, they are certainly not underfed, or too thin, for heaven sakes they get more food then shadow, misty ate just about an entire chicken carcuss for supper yesterday. also I dont play the sports with that dog if they dont enjoy it, happy was not enjoying flyball before, so I retired her from it, and focased on things she liked better, agility and frisbee, and what she enjoys most in agility in jumpers, so that is what I do, its not like we force them do play the sport if they dont like it! we got perky for flyball, she does not enjoy so she was found a new sport that she is both good at and enjoys so much that when its time to practice she runs to my mom and starts dancing(freestyle is what she does) perky has been to a fun match, she took 2nd place, lost by 1 point to a dog with nearly every title in the book, perky has no titles. the judges comments were that perky seemed to love it. happy now plays flyball again, because I still took her to flyball for fun just for recreation, it was there that she figerd out the game, and became obbsessed. misty loves flyball and so does Ripley. there is no way in h*ll we would force them to play in something they dont enjoy!
oh yes and as I said they are NOT underweight! all my dogs have been described as being a perfect weight. and if I think they are getting too thin, I have them fed more to fatten them up a little. what I meant by more normal weight is that just about every dog that is a pet that I have met is fat, not obese just fat. also they are members of the family and are treated as such, we find dogs with structers etc.. for sport yes, we look for speed such yes, but that does NOT mean that our dogs are not pets, I said they are treated like pets, heck they are treated better then pets! I dont know where on earth you get the idea that my dogs being athletes means were abusing them? :confused:

Cali - I don't think your dogs look too skinny. I've seen a lot of pictures of yours and I think they look just fine.

As for the athleticism - I think my dogs would really enjoy flyball and dirtdog and I wish I had the time to dedicate to them that your family has.

I personally found nothing wrong with your post, but I think you maybe didn't word it the way you meant it. Sometimes your posts sound kind of harsh or blunt and I don't think you're expressing yourself quite the way you mean to. Perhaps you should read your posts aloud and see how they sound then. Sometimes it’s hard to write what you have in your head and have it come out right once you've typed it.

I think that you probably meant that your dogs are treated as family pets and as athletes as well. That the “athletes” are on a different diet than Shadow since they need the energy and need to be in top form to do what they enjoy doing. I also think that by the phrase "they were adopted for sports not pets", that you may have meant that you wanted dogs that needed a job to do, not just play around the house and lay on the couch like mine.

I hope that I'm correct in my assumptions.

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Originally posted by cali
, misty ate just about an entire chicken carcuss for supper yesterday. :confused:

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We are not 'mad' at you for NOT having a limit. But your post certainly did NOT SAY that your dogs were pets. You said they were athletes. That is what upset some of us, at least me.
And Misty eating an entire chicken carcass is NOTHING to brag about. That's disgusting. And if it was cooked, that could kill her.
Never ever ever give a dog poultry bones, they are to fragile and splinter.
I know you get upset with a lot of us for expressing our opinions, but I also think that you don't understand where WE are coming from either. Maybe we don't want to understand where you are coming from, but I also think the opposite rings true, You don't care to hear about our opinions either.
IMHO

Good post Micki!
That pretty much sums it up also! :)

micki, yes, you are right in what I meant. and your right I dont have a way with words, either that or there are a lot of people here, who dont like me and choose to interpret my posts to make me sound like a bad person, well I sure hope thats not the case anyway.. :eek:

shais_mom my dogs are on the BARF diet. hence the chicken. we dont feed kibble, we feed only human grade products that we will gladly eat ourselves(we share, the dogs get the bones we get the parts like chicken breast) but lets not get into what we feed.

I voted 3, when in actuality, my limit was 2, but then I met Scott, and of course, we added Murphy to our bunch. Zipper was an unexpected surprise, totally unplanned, as he was supposed to be a foster until he was adopted. :o Only we all fell in love with him, as did our 3 canine girls! :) So, we have four, and are definitely setting a new limit. But it is fun (except for all the poop scooping that I end up having to do!). :D

I will say that 4 is my limit. Limit means..... can you care for the amount you have.. love them, feed them, keep them clean and EXCERSISED. Have time to spend with them. If you have a huge home with a huge yard, your limit will be differant than someone with an apartment, small home or lives at home with parents. I have to agree with Cali, her dogs sounds as though they are properly taken care of, healthy, excersised, fed well and loved. Sounds as though she has it all in control and enjoys "sports" with them too. My friend has three Great Danes, that she shows. These dogs are loved like no other. They are her babies, her pets.... they are well trained and at the times when she shows them, they are on a "differant" type schedule. But at home they are just pets. Same as my friends hunting dogs, or police dogs. At home they are pets. I agree with Cali. And I beleive that "No limit" does not mean "hoarder or collector". No limit means having the space, time, money, and love to care for the amount you are able. I don't believe that 10 dogs in an apartment is right but 10 dogs on a farm.............

I am at my max. limit for all my animals right now, so the answer would be 2 dogs. It may change IF I should find more time, make more money, &/or maybe a significant other.

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Originally posted by cali
either that or there are a lot of people here, who dont like me and choose to interpret my posts to make me sound like a bad person, well I sure hope thats not the case anyway..

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And here we go again with the, "Oh, boohoo....people here are tying to make me look bad. I'm a good person, I swear....boohoo." Certain people here need to stop taking things so personally and not act so sensitive about every comment that is posted. Relax.....my God. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Moose
And here we go again with the, "Oh, boohoo....people here are tying to make me look bad. I'm a good person, I swear....boohoo." Certain people here need to stop taking things so personally and not act so sensitive about every comment that is posted. Relax.....my God. :rolleyes:

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And certain people shouldn’t jump on others and be rude or assuming. Pet Talk is a place for fun and camaraderie. Let’s all try to be nice and a little understanding. :D

-->Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue<--

I'm a nice girl.....I'm a nice girl......I'm a nice girl......

Oh God, help me. :rolleyes::eek:

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Originally posted by Moose
-->Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue...Biting tongue<--

I'm a nice girl.....I'm a nice girl......I'm a nice girl......

Oh God, help me. :rolleyes::eek:

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Very mature post. And so worthwhile.

C’mon guys, we’re here to have fun! That’s why we’re all here isn’t it? Let’s move on past the eyerolls and silliness and get friendly and have fun here in our community. Really, I mean posts keep going into horrible discussions where feelings get hurt and it’s usually over a misunderstanding or a difference of opinion. Let it go and enjoy. That’s what life’s all about.

Cali
Just writing to say that I understand your posts. I have used my dogs in the past for athletic sports & such but they are still pets, treated better than most pets probably. Also if I had the money & would love to feed the barf diet, although I feed kibble my dogs still get an occasional chicken carcas, beef bone, pigs feet etc! They love it, bones & all, raw or cooked. I have never had a problem w/ it! etc, etc, etc Your dogs a beautiful & keep up the good work!!!!:)

Thank you for trying, at least, Micki. :)

Ok Cali, I get the chicken carcass thing.
I give Keegan raw pork neck bones for her teeth.
Sorry for being confused:confused:
Moose, take a deep breath, and go pet your dog! It works for stress relief, and realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless whether or not we agree. :(:(
*hopefully bowing out of the discussion now*

And here we go again....once again I'm the "brat" on board. Glad to see nothing's changed. :D :D :o

I don't think I implied or accused you of being a brat. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
I was just giving you apparently unwanted advice that I have to take often myself.

*am bowing out now, going to work, and won't be on until midnite IF this is still here*

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Originally posted by Moose
And here we go again with the, "Oh, boohoo....people here are tying to make me look bad. I'm a good person, I swear....boohoo." Certain people here need to stop taking things so personally and not act so sensitive about every comment that is posted. Relax.....my God. :rolleyes:

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You need to take a deep breath, Moose. Staci and others have spoken very wisely. We don't know the circumstances that Cali's dogs live under. We can only take Cali's word on it, just as we do yours or others. I feel that many might disagree with some measures I have taken, personally, to ensure the safety of my dogs. But I do it for their safety and I appreciate the fact that I am trusted enough to make those decisions, knowing what is best for my dogs. I'm sure Cali and her family are doing the same thing.

Take what you read in the way it was intended, which was not to get you in an uproar.

By the way, I think Moose is a terrific Lab! We have a Yellow Lab girl too, a very old one, but we love her dearly!!! :)

My post was not directed toward you, shais_mom. I do apologize if it seemed that way. :)

If you are implying that I called or inferred that you are a 'brat', you're dead wrong. In fact, I don't think I've ever even replied to a post from you before. I don't think you're a brat, but I do think that you should take everything that Logan, Staci and I have said to heart. And there are several others who should do the same.

Lighten up! :D Smile :D

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Originally posted by Logan
I think Moose is a terrific Lab! We have a Yellow Lab girl too, a very old one, but we love her dearly!!!

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Moose thanks you. ;) Your girl is awfully gorgeous as well.....there's something about an old lab [or any dog, for that matter] that makes me smile.

We have two and I don't think my dad will stand for anymore. However, when we got Sylvia he said she was it and a month and a half later we adopted Harley. If we had a bigger house I would try to get one more. ;)

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Originally posted by Moose
Moose thanks you. ;) Your girl is awfully gorgeous as well.....there's something about an old lab [or any dog, for that matter] that makes me smile.

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Thank you for understanding the intent of my post. I'm all for peace and not for the misunderstandings that happen so easily. :) Murphy thanks you too! She is one special puppy, for sure!!! :) She is quite demanding in her old age, but there is not one thing I wouldn't bend over backward :eek: to do for her!!!!

Logan

*This post is not directed to anyone*

I do believe having no limit on dogs implies a hoarder or collector. Even if I had the largest yard on the planet and was a millionaire, I would have a limit on dogs. Besides being fed and given shelter, dogs need to be loved, played with, exercised, etc. There's only so much time in the day to do all these things. Sure, I could hire someone to do it for me if I really was a millionaire, but then they wouldn't really be MY pets. So my own personal limit wouldn't change much from the situation I'm in now to a situation where I was a millionaire.

*This post is not directed to anyone*

My limit was 1, then I somehow convinced my Mom to let me get Pepper. So right now my limit is 2 and will probably stay like that until I move out. I have my hands full with these two;)

I really don't care if your dogs, excuse me "Athletes" are skinny or obese, or fat -- whatever. As long as their not dying from it.

What I DID find wrong, disgustingand heartless is
"however the athletes are thin, light, agile, and bought, received, or adopted for sports not pets"


NO dog should just be bought, recieved, OR adopted for sports. THEY ARE PETS.They are living beings, not something you'd use in a sport, like you would a tennis racket.

I'm not saying it's wrong to do agility, flyball -- whatever with your "athletes" -- I'm saying they should be considered as pets FIRST, and a part of your family. Not JUST for sports.

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Originally posted by cali
I dont have a way with words, either that or there are a lot of people here, who dont like me and choose to interpret my posts to make me sound like a bad person, well I sure hope thats not the case anyway.. :eek:

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I'm sure there are a few who don't like you, or a few who don't like me -- there's a few in every bunch, but -- That shouldn't change the way they interpret your posts or words -- And it won't change the way I interpret your posts, for sure.

I still believe that's how you meant it, because it says it clearly there in your words.

Two. :rolleyes: For now!
When I'm older..it will probably be a bazillion smooth collies! ;):p
No maybe like..4 or 5. :)

what I meant by the quote kfamr is that when we adopt and otherwise aquire a dog, we look for certain qualitys that will make them a good sporting dog, what I meant by "not for pets" is that we look for qualitys of a good athlete not just any dog that will make a good pet, because it also needs to be a good athlete.but we do look for both althletic qualitys AND pet qualitys, not every dog that makes a good pet will make a good athlete hence we look for qualitys of BOTH.

aly I am by no means an animal hoarder, no we dont have a limit on the dogs we get but all that means is that we have never set a limit, we take what we can care for, not having a limit does not mean we take and take and take, its only means that we have never set a limit. our pets are healthier, and more loved then most pets, our athletes are treated as pets but receive special care that a pet does not need, these athletes get messages for there joints, special exersize and training, and special diets, along with lots of love. :)