Dog meat in Korea!

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Originally posted by luckies4me
I for one eat goats.

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Me too! We eat goat pretty often...........either its goat or sheep. Very rarely do we eat beef. Chicken and fish is what we eat most though. I am *not* a fish person, but my mom makes it more than any other meat because its the healthiest of them all. :o But I *love* chicken..........sheep, really depends on the animal, same with goat. If you get a good quality animal, the meat is usually very tender and yummy..........but if it turns out bad, then bleh. :o I hate the parts that are stringy. :p He he he. But goat is really good.......I find its meat similar to sheep meat. It has a slightly different flavor, but its very similar.

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Originally posted by mahayana
There would be a lot more vegetarians if people ever visited a slaughterhoue (meat packing plant), or had to kill the cows pigs chickens themselves.

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I for one could kill my own meat, a cow probably not as I don't eat them anyway, but a chicken or turkey I can and plan to when I get a bigger place and can raise my own meat. The way I would do it would be far less painful for the animal, and it would have known a GREAT life before sitting there on my plate.


All the meat I eat, I know exactly where it comes from. In fact I routinely go feed it on occasion....except maybe fish.

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Me too! We eat goat pretty often...........either its goat or sheep. Very rarely do we eat beef. Chicken and fish is what we eat most though. I am *not* a fish person, but my mom makes it more than any other meat because its the healthiest of them all. :o But I *love* chicken..........sheep, really depends on the animal, same with goat. If you get a good quality animal, the meat is usually very tender and yummy..........but if it turns out bad, then bleh. :o I hate the parts that are stringy. :p He he he. But goat is really good.......I find its meat similar to sheep meat. It has a slightly different flavor, but its very similar.

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Hehe that's funny because I like it when it's stringy like that. :p This thread is making me hungry! Think I'll go make a nice yummy chicken, broccoli, cheese omelette! :D

i would never be able to kill it!! :o

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
i would never be able to kill it!! :o

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I wouldn't either..........but my dad and brother have done it before. :o :o

I saw it once up close...........but then I looked away. They did it at this farm we go to on occasion. The sheep..............it didn't scream or cry or anything! It just lay there quietly, and passed quietly, and poor little PCB ran away crying! :p Well, almost! LOL

It wasn't the sheep that made me cry. He didn't act like he was suffering at all :confused: which really amazed me. What scared me was the blood. :( I could never ever ever kill my own meat. Never. I think I'd pass out. :p

But I still eat meat, and I have seen it many times (from far). I know where all my meat comes from as well. Their animals live a good life before its their time..............we don't buy from the main meat industry.

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
i would never be able to kill it!! :o

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Me either! I'm seriously thinking of becoming a vegitarian when I'm older...I just can't stand slaughter-houses...:(

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Originally posted by luckies4me
I for one could kill my own meat, a cow probably not as I don't eat them anyway, but a chicken or turkey I can and plan to when I get a bigger place and can raise my own meat. The way I would do it would be far less painful for the animal, and it would have known a GREAT life before sitting there on my plate.


All the meat I eat, I know exactly where it comes from. In fact I routinely go feed it on occasion....except maybe fish.

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My uncle rasises his own chicken up in MI...
It's the yummiest chicken i've ever tastes, but I wouldn't be able to slaughter it myself.

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
I know cattle is also eatten but, some people are very used to it and not bothered by it..

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In some countries it is illegal to eat beef, but it is perfectly normal to eat what we might call a housepet. So maybe here we are used to it, but in other continents it can be hard to say without knowing for sure.

Nope, I don't agree with eating dogs. But we eat cows and pigs and birds and sometimes even horses. Maybe some of us find dogs superior to those animals, and that they deserve to live when those animals deserve to be slaughtered and eaten, but I don't think that way at all. :eek:

I would absolutely love to be a vegetarian. (But one who drinks milk and eats eggs. My grandma gives us her eggs from her free range chickens and I know an organic store that sells milk from cows that are well cared for). But my mom won't buy soy, tofu, or anything of the sort, so I wouldn't be getting enough protien from whatever incomplete protiens I'd be eating. :(

"If You Love Animals, Don't Eat Them!" reads the bumper sticker.

I would love to lay out the arguments for ethical vegetarianism for you, but it might sound hypocritical since I own a farm that produces cattle for market.

I also once had a French Alpine dairy goat named Misty, who was as much a pet as any dog. I petted her and milked her every day, groomed her, hand- raised her babies on a pail. Baby goats are as joyful and playful as any puppy.

I love animals -- But I also eat them to survive.
I LOVE plants and flowers -- But I also eat them to survive.


Hey Mahayana..

I haven't seen *anything* about your pets, maybe you should start a thread and tell us about them.


:)

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Originally posted by mahayana
"If You Love Animals, Don't Eat Them!" reads the bumper sticker.

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Funny you mention that! Just the other day, I saw a bumper sticker that said:

*I love animals. They're DELICIOUS!* :eek::eek:

There was also another one that said *Vegetarians murder plants* :rolleyes:

The wierd things people come up with. :rolleyes:

But I agree with Kfmar. You haven't told us ANYTHING on your pets. We want to hear about them! :D I'm sure they're adorable!

are you done with your hw pcb! :p

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
are you done with your hw pcb! :p

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*cough cough* :o :o :o

Nooo :( I just can't concentrate if I don't check PT every 15 minutes!

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Originally posted by popcornbird
*cough cough* :o :o :o

Nooo :( I just can't concentrate if I don't check PT every 15 minutes!

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HEY missy! Lets go! FINISH!! we need to finish our pm talks! :p

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
HEY missy! Lets go! FINISH!! we need to finish our pm talks! :p

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:o I'm actually typing my term paper, so I'm on the computer and constantly checking PT while doing my homework. I have like 2 pages left to go...........and then I have to workout, so it may be awhile until we can finish our *PM talks*. :o

Now back to the meat topic...........

OK Kfamr and Popcornbird, you asked about my pets so I will share. amoore is the beginning of my e-mail address, and my wife took it as her name here when she joined Pet Talk. We live with JoJo the miniature schnauzer, Sunny the siamese, Tiny the chihuahua, Polly and Stella the cockatiels, 7 frogs in the greenhouse, and four colonies of honeybees outside. I don't claim the frogs as my pets, and my wife doesn't claim the bees as hers.

*cries* I thought *I* was your PM friend PCB...:(
LOL! Just kidding! Are you finished yet? Come on Yahoo! ;)

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Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
*cries* I thought *I* was your PM friend PCB...:(
LOL! Just kidding! Are you finished yet? Come on Yahoo! ;)

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-mutters under breath to ju-

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
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You PM buddy stealer! :p

Okay, back to the meat topic..

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Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
*cries* I thought *I* was your PM friend PCB...:(
LOL! Just kidding! Are you finished yet? Come on Yahoo! ;)

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You are my dear. :p Bambi has just been trying to take over today! :p ;) ;)

He he he

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Originally posted by popcornbird
You are my dear. :p Bambi has just been trying to take over today! :p ;) ;)

He he he

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-GASP-.. thats all im gonna say right now.. -mutters- trying to steal her.. trying too hard- (JU)

*cough cough* :o

I think we're going off-topic. Let's discuss this in PM's before everyone else gets annoyed. :p

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Originally posted by WolfChan
And what we do in the US to cattle raised for food is any better?

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Well, actually, I have to say that it is. People try, to the best of their ability, to ensure that the cattle do not suffer as they die, even though that's not always possible in a literal sense, because we can never know the extent of a cow's emotion. In the US there are also external bodies who monitor the slaughterhouses and enforce laws created to protect the cattle.

The difference in Korea is that the dog butchers actively try to make the dogs suffer as they die, to make a better 'quality' meat. The dogs die a slow, painful death.

To me, this isn't a difference of cultures issue so much as an animal cruelty one, which essentially comes down to the questions: what exactly is a humane, economically viable, method of death?

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Originally posted by zanzanfergie
Well, actually, I have to say that it is. People try, to the best of their ability, to ensure that the cattle do not suffer as they die, even though that's not always possible in a literal sense, because we can never know the extent of a cow's emotion. In the US there are also external bodies who monitor the slaughterhouses and enforce laws created to protect the cattle.

The difference in Korea is that the dog butchers actively try to make the dogs suffer as they die, to make a better 'quality' meat. The dogs die a slow, painful death.

To me, this isn't a difference of cultures issue so much as an animal cruelty one, which essentially comes down to the questions: what exactly is a humane, economically viable, method of death?

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Well, where I live, it's as if the slaughter houses try and take the most painful and discusting approach. They hang the cattle (while it's still alive!!!) and slit from the throat down and let it bleed/suffocate to death.

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Originally posted by wolfsoul
Well, where I live, it's as if the slaughter houses try and take the most painful and discusting approach. They hang the cattle (while it's still alive!!!) and slit from the throat down and let it bleed/suffocate to death.

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Oh. Why? Just curious. If they're killing thousands of cattle a week isn't it illogical to do it in such a time consuming (and messy :() way?
And the logistics of hanging a cow by the neck are :eek: to me. You're right, that is painful and disgusting (and desperately sad). I can't see it being the mainstream method of slaughter though. Could be wrong.

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Originally posted by wolfsoul
Well, where I live, it's as if the slaughter houses try and take the most painful and discusting approach. They hang the cattle (while it's still alive!!!) and slit from the throat down and let it bleed/suffocate to death.

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:( thats how they kill chickens too.. :(

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Originally posted by zanzanfergie
Oh. Why? Just curious. If they're killing thousands of cattle a week isn't it illogical to do it in such a time consuming (and messy :() way?
And the logistics of hanging a cow by the neck are :eek: to me. You're right, that is painful and disgusting (and desperately sad). I can't see it being the mainstream method of slaughter though. Could be wrong.

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I'm not sure why anyone would do that. :( My brother's grandpa used to live right beside it and that's what he said they did. But they don't kill that many cattle. When you drive past, you only see maybe 100 or less cattle in the field. I believe that they wait until they have a whole bunch, and then slaughter almost all of them in a short period of time. I've never seen the field empty, but I've never seen it that full either.

It's terrible how they placed the slaughterhouse right at the entrance of Kelowna. I can imagine what people think when they come to Kelowna for the first time to such a rotting stench. They must think that the whole place smells like that and that they just get used to it after a while.

i think the murder of animals is wrong in the first place, but i think it's especially sick when thye do it in public. animals desrve the same respct as humans.

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Originally posted by CamCamPup33
Dogs here are considered 'pets' to live in the house, as pets.. Cattle is raised to be killed for food..

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**For Mature audiances with strong stomachs only goes into some detail here**

My friend has a pet, yes I said PET cow, no it doesn't live in the house, but neither do some people dogs. Does that mean they should be cooked and eaten? Your probly like :eek: no!

Why can't it be the same way with cows? Or chickens, I know Popcornbird is going to jump all over me for saying this but a chicken is just as good of a pet as any other common "house kept bird" like a parrot. Fine, ok, maybe the parrot is "smarter" in w/e way you see it, but that doesn't mean that the chicken is not a good pet, they make exillent pets. I would also like to point out, some people on here have ducks as pets, they love them just as much as there dogs. My friend, also has ducks, about 7,000 of them (seriously) does he like them? Nope, he sells them to a place that kills them and cooks them. Sometimes just cooked skipping the killing part.


No animal is higher then the other. I honestly beleave because we all have grown up eating cows and living with dogs we veiw it as it's ok to kill a cow, but not a dog, and it's ok to breed a cow everytime we can but we can't breed a dog everytime it comes into heat. We all should just think of *most* milk farms as big Cow Mills, the females are kept pregnet almost there whole lives because if they aren't then they don't produce milk. These cows are bred and bred and bred, much like a female dog in a puppy mill. But puppy mils are a HUGE No No but milk farms aren't???I've never understood this. Cows are as much a pet as dogs are, they love you, they reconize you, they like to be pet, they even sometimes come when called!! :eek:

::sigh:: Just need to get that all off my chest :)


Ashley

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Originally posted by Aspen and Misty


Why can't it be the same way with cows? Or chickens, I know Popcornbird is going to jump all over me for saying this but a chicken is just as good of a pet as any other common "house kept bird" like a parrot. Fine, ok, maybe the parrot is "smarter" in w/e way you see it, but that doesn't mean that the chicken is not a good pet, they make exillent pets.

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Me jump over you because of this?!?! What are you talking about?!?!

*I* used to have 8 pet chickens..........PET chickens, who I loved with all my heart! I got them as little itty bitty fluffy chicks, and they were my first *pets* other than fish. I LOVED THEM! My little golden girl, Henny Penny was my favorite. She was soooooooo cute, especially when she was 2 weeks old! Oh, I still miss her. :( We gave them away to a friend who lived in the countryside, because we couldn't handle 8 growing chicks in the city.....but they were pets there as well and lived there for years until they died of old age! We even got to eat their eggs! he he! Would I *ever* eat THOSE chickens? NEVER! But.......I still eat chicken.......other chickens, that I've never seen or known. I don't think any animal is worth more than the other. Its just the tradition, that some animals are used for food and others are not. It doesn't mean they are worth more or less. I don't see a dog superior to a cat or a bird or a rabbit or whatever. They are all animals with a life and a soul and feelings. I don't consider it wrong to eat animals. Animals eat animals too. We're just keeping our end of the food chain. Yes I find it gross to eat a dog, but I wouldn't condemn others for eating it. Yes it makes me want to vomit.........just the thought, but its not because I consider dogs superior to other animals. I don't. I just find it gross to me and would never do it.

Ps. I'm very familiar with cows/goats/sheep/etc. as pets. I go to Pakistan every few years because I have relatives there, and LOTS of people keep such animals as PETS there. They are VERY sweet and lovable.........and they even go for walks with their owners on leashes sometimes! I've even seen people with pet monkeys there! LOL

I dunno, you and your weird Bird Feathery ways, you never know what to expect :D ::Watches back in case popcornbird comes behind her with a wild killer parakeet::

It's good to know that you don't think like that PCB!! :D ::Yippee:: <~~I think there are to many Yipps or yee's in that. LOL

Ash

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Originally posted by zanzanfergie
Well, actually, I have to say that it is. People try, to the best of their ability, to ensure that the cattle do not suffer as they die

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WOW, I want to live where you live! Have you SEEN some of the slaughterhouse vids that have been posted here? Such places are the rule, not the exception, I'm sorry to say.

Huzzah for my favorite organic/free-range meat place...

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Originally posted by WolfChan
WOW, I want to live where you live! Have you SEEN some of the slaughterhouse vids that have been posted here? Such places are the rule, not the exception, I'm sorry to say.

Huzzah for my favorite organic/free-range meat place...

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My point was that the aim of the slaughterhouses is not to hurt the animals. They may not care whether they suffer but that is not their purpose.

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As for us not eating goat.........goat is actually eaten a lot in the US! I eat goat a lot actually...........and its available in many stores around here.

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Wow, I had no idea. Sorry. I have never heard of anyone eating goat, ever, here. Maybe because we are a big beef state.

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Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
I dunno, you and your weird Bird Feathery ways, you never know what to expect :D ::Watches back in case popcornbird comes behind her with a wild killer parakeet::

It's good to know that you don't think like that PCB!! :D ::Yippee:: <~~I think there are to many Yipps or yee's in that. LOL

Ash

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My wierd Bird Feathery ways?!?! :eek::eek: Exactly WHAT did you just say? ;) :p :p He he he

Twisterdog, I think you probably haven't heard of Americans eating goat because you live *I think* in a state where people are mostly local...........not from other regions or countries. In areas that are more diverse, you have people bringing their cultures into the area, and find locals quickly adapting to them. :p Goat meat is common where I live.............I've even seen it at Safeway and other grocery stores. If you go to Indian restaurants, they would probably have some dishes with goat meat in them. I always see goat meat as so very similar to sheep. I mean.......we use both in the same dishes and it tastes pretty much the same. Its so slightly different, that sometimes I don't know if my mom made sheep or goat, and I don't even bother asking. :o The farms here are full of goats as well. Goats and sheep.........they are both very commonly used for meat.

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Twisterdog, I think you probably haven't heard of Americans eating goat because you live *I think* in a state where people are mostly local...........not from other regions or countries. ......... Goats and sheep.........they are both very commonly used for meat.

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Well, I do live in Wyoming now, and you are right, it is not a very diverse state as a whole. However, the town I live in is very diverse. Our town's motto, actually, is "Home of 56 Nationalities", and it's printed on all our signs and billboards, etc. This town was a main stop when building the trans-continental railroad and is in the center of many large mines, both industries which attracted a very diverse population. Did you ever learn about the Chinese Massacre in history, where hundred of Chinese miners and railroad worker were killed during the building of the transcontinental railroad? That happened here. This area also has a very large immigrant hispanic population.

Also, I have lived in many parts of the country prior to living here, including Denver, Chicago, Indianapolis.

I know sheep are commonly eaten. There are a lot of sheep here. I often have to stop and let a giant herd of sheep, along with sheepherders, horses, wagons and dogs cross the road.

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I can't see it being the mainstream method of slaughter though. Could be wrong.

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Sadly, it is. Slaughterhouses could give a hoot whether the animal suffers or not. They have to kill as many animals as quickly as possible and get them processed. Slaughterhouses are horrible places, I can't even begin to go into what happens there. Maybe small, private farmers care how their animals are killed, but they are a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the food animals killed. Slaughterhouses are also filthy places, that is why so much meat carries deadly bacteria, such as e-coli, salmonella, etc. The factory farm industry in the USA is an atrocious embarrasment, and it's not just the animals that are being slaughtered that meet horrible deaths. The fate of laying chickens, dairy cows, etc. is rarely much better. Do some research on this if you are interested. You will be shocked and appalled, I guarantee it.

ugh, I typed up this long post and it said I included too many smilies, now I have to start all over.
I'm just going to say my opinion. I agree with Soledad...all of us eat meat. I mean in general, people on this side of the world eat meat. They kill them in painful ways too, but they're just different types of animals.
But the thing that bothers me the most is how they kill the animal. If you're going to eat it anyways, why kill them in the most painful way possible? It makes no sense:( I know it sounds stupid, but why can't they just put the animal to sleep first in a less painful way, and then after its dead, skin it and do whatever? and they even kill them in front of the people. Are they happy watching the animal die?
Some people have no respect for animals. They just think like "oh, they're just animals, its just a dog" They have no feelings, it doesn't matter how much pain they're going through.

So somehow the suffernig is justified if it's from people not caring rather than people deliberately hurting it? Do the cattle hurt less because we're not actively *Trying* to make them suffer?

Not that I'm trying to justify the torture of any animal, but that response seemed a bit biased...

I'm just saying that its like people are trying to use the most painful way possible to kill the animal.

Okay. frankly, how is that any worse than eating a pig or a cow???? :confused: Which I personaly won't do...