This will change your life ::moved from Genral::

I was raised in a family were we would eat meat...
One day I've wittnessed how my grandma has killed one of the chicken for dinner...it was a completely healthy and happy chicken before...somehow the chicken felt what would happened and it cried out loud making a lot of fuss...the eyes called out in disbelief...after having broken the chicken's neck my granny started to get away the feathers (my grandma was raised on a farm)...
I couldn't eat this chicken...because I've looked this one in the eyes...
Today I feel ashamed about it, but it took me another few years to stop eating meat at all and ever since I have my own household I've attached this quote in my kitchen:
"An excellent rule for the human race,
when sitting down at the dinnerplace:
To alleviate pain and death erase:
Don't eat anything with a face"

I could never ever kill an animal, so I don't eat them and this is what makes the difference between meateating animals and humans...you can make a difference!!!

But I've learned that this decision must be made in the heart...you cannot be persuaded to be vegetarian...
And I would never think of trying to turn my cat into a veggie cat...

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Originally posted by bisi.cat
And I would never think of trying to turn my cat into a veggie cat...

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This reminds me of a doofus from another forum who was giving me a hard time about having snakes. She said to me "I would NEVER own an animal that I had to feed another animal too!"

What was her avatar pic? Her cat. An animal that needs Taurine from eating meat products to survive! *Laughs* She left me alone after that was pointed out!!

Edit: I'm not saying anything about you bisi.cat, just that your statement reminded me of that! :)

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(The REAL ones.....soy products are no comparison).

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Ugh I know! And everyone is saying "Oh veggie burgers taste the same as real meat!" and that is just a lie because I bought a veggie burger at my father's work and it tasted like potatoe...yum:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by allanimalswelcome
Ugh I know! And everyone is saying "Oh veggie burgers taste the same as real meat!" and that is just a lie because I bought a veggie burger at my father's work and it tasted like potatoe...yum:rolleyes:

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Mmmm mmmm mine taste like chicken Patties!! There good :D


Ash

The soy chicken patties are excellent!! I don't really notice the difference.

Gardenburger patties are really good, too. I like the original ones. They're so yummy. They don't taste like meat and they're not supposed to. They just taste like yummy cheesy goodness.

Oh, I LOVE veggie patties and burgers, but what I meant by soy products was milk vs. soy. I LOVE milk and cheese, and I wouldn't trade if for soy milk and soy cheese. Soy milk is good when its strawberry flavored, but still, milk is milk. This is in reference of me not being able to become a vegan, ever. :p I need my eggs too, at least once a week. ;)

Oh I know I was just saying any "immatation" isn't the same. I like real BBQ pork thanks very much.

There is a girl I know who got me to each a piece of soy cheese and I barfed a half hour later...it was disgusting!

~Rachel

I really dislike milk and anything that attempts to be like milk. Soy and rice milk are extremely gross to me, and if I have to have something be milky I prefer to use organic regular milk, need be.

A note on farming practices:

You may only see fresh farms with cows grazing, but factory farms don't necessarily mean you will be seeing these animals. Think warehouse. Think hundreds of animals stored in the same barn. You're not exactly going to see that.

Even a lot of the regular old-time farms do things that are sketchy like load their animals up with antibiotics and use feed with pesticides and BONE meal. Yes, that's cows eating feed made out of other cows.

For more wonderful tales of American farming read My Year of Meat which is an excellent novel that includes facts about farming practices.

My mom ALWAYS buys organic milk and meat products. They are much healthier for you. No antiboitics or crap like that.

I'm aware not all organic farming practices aren't always created "the best" but it's a step in the right direction.

~Rachel

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Is that the book with the yellow and white cover with a little cow in chopsticks??? I'm having a mental blank over the author's name (Ozeki?) :eek: I have that book and have read it at least twice. The stuff on routine antibiotic use in animals was scary to say the least.

Fast Food Nation was also an interesting read.

Yeah, that's the book, Nicole. I think her name is Ruth Ozeki. It's excellent!

Oh good, my last little brain cell was trying so hard to remember!

"But I've learned that this decision must be made in the heart...you cannot be persuaded to be vegetarian"

I totally agree.

"Ugh I know! And everyone is saying "Oh veggie burgers taste the same as real meat!" and that is just a lie because I bought a veggie burger at my father's work and it tasted like potatoe...yum"

Uh.. well I know Ive never said that to anyone. From my experience there are TONS of imitation meat products, and some are disgusting and some arent. You cant really know from just one kind, that you've eaten one time. And everyone has different opinions on taste. I believe soy is an aquired taste. If you grow up eating meat your whole life and then start eating soy all of a sudden, yeah it's gonna taste weird. I would think itd be the same the other way around (grew up on soy then switched to meat). But eventually you grow to know and like the taste. At least I did. And of course it doesnt taste like meat.. it isnt. It tastes like soy. It took me a while to find what foods I liked and didnt like, and it took a few months to get used to the taste of soy, but even throughout it all, I knew the reasons I was becoming vegan were worth choking down gross soy dogs all my life. Thankfully however, I do enjoy what I eat now. lol Personally I like light life brand the best, and garden burger has good stuff too, unfortunately most of their products arent vegan. Their riblets are though and they are the BEST.

And I hate and always have hated milk. I hate soy milk too. I can handle rice milk, but I only eat it on cereal or in cooking. Cheese makes me want to vomit, both the smell and taste. The best soy ice cream in the world is Soy Delicious. Tofutti is good too. They are the only brands I eat. All the others are disgusting- in my opinion. I havent had soy cheese before, and from my experience most soy dairy imitations are very soy tasting. :P But they are decent. lol

"I like real BBQ pork thanks very much."

Well hey, I like real pig flesh too, as long as its still alive that is. With or without the BBQ sauce- I dont have a preference either way.

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... And of course it doesnt taste like meat.. it isnt. It tastes like soy. It took me a while to find what foods I liked and didnt like, and it took a few months to get used to the taste of soy, but even throughout it all, I knew the reasons I was becoming vegan were worth choking down gross soy dogs all my life.

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Excellent point! Soy is soy and meat is meat. Soy will probably never taste like meat, nor should it. It's a food in its own right.

I might also add, if I stopped eating an entire genre of food based on ONE bad experience there would be very little left for me to choose from.

If anyone is actually interested in seriously trying soy products, I'd start out with the veggie burger type stuff first. Do not start with soy cheese, it's very much an acquired taste. If you're interested in soy/rice milk I suggest you do so by starting with things like smoothies, etc. It's something that you have to ease yourself into, if you care to.

But there are some things that I just don't choose to go near such as soy cheese and soy icecream.

mmm... veggie burgers are GOOD! I would take them over a meat patty ANY DAY! (I don't eat red meat, but I'd prefer veggie burgers over any other kind of burger even if it wasn't beef :p)

... I'm now craving a Denny's Boco burger.... mmmm *drools*

If you're in the states, start with Morningstar farms products. Very mainstream soy based stuff. YUMMY. Best corn dog you ever had in your freezer.

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But there are some things that I just don't choose to go near such as soy cheese and soy icecream.

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Soy yogurt is quite possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted.

I don't eat much soy... soy "meat" patties I love (like I said earlier), I also LOVE plain soy nuts - they are one of my favorite snacks. I drink soy milk every once and awhile (we always have it around since my dad drinks it), but I still drink cow milk more (I'm obsessive over making sure I get adequate amounts of calcium).

I love chicken corn dogs... I'm going to have to try one of those Morningstar corn dogs. I've never heard of that brand before. I'll definitely keep my eye out for them next time I'm at the grocery store.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I like soy ice cream! Even though I'm not vegetarian, I do like the taste of veggie burgers and such, and eat them on occasion just because they're yummy. They certainly don't taste like meat though! :)

I guess their ok but when I want something like a hotdog I certainly wouldn't turn to them (and yes I know "But hotdogs are made a pig intestines!")

Do you guys have the salad menu at Maccas? We have it in Australia and they have a vegie burger which is very nice!

I am a bit scared of soy ... mushrooms are my "meat alternative!" I am not a vegan, so I do eat cheese and drink milk but mainly in cooking as I don't much like the taste of either by themselves.

Oh my gosh, that is truly the most horrid thing I have ever seen!!!

My farmer friends would have died if they saw how those farm animals were being treated. They raised milk cows naturally, in the field & barn, no drugs, got human attention every day while they were in the barn being milked. Rairly had sick cows & no calf was ever removed early from its mother. & any calf that passed away during birth was shown to the mother, so she would understand why her baby was being taken away & the calf was brought deep into the wood & left for the hungry wolves.

& the chicken farm near by wasn't as sick as that movie. each hen had her own pen & plenty of food & could move around. They had huge door that were open during the day so the hens could get fresh air. I think those hens were treated a hell of alot better then most hens. at least that hen farmer was trying to make his hens cumfy & make money.

Oh & my friends the cow farmers quit dealing with cows because the milk companies wanted them to drug the cows for more milk & they friends refused to do such a horrible thing to their cows, that the compinies refused to buy milk from them, so they had to sell all their cows... They loved their cows, they could never harm one for money, only killed what they needed for food.

I chose not to watch all of the video. I stopped at the chickens. I don't need to see any more. I do eat meat, I'm sorry, but watching this video is not going to change that. But I do think it is sad how some of the animals are treated.:(

thats pretty bad...i'm already a veggie eater..i mad me sick just watching it...i wonder how the people who work there can do that?....:mad: :confused:

"Soy yogurt is quite possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted."

LOL I COULDNT AGREE MORE!!! hahahahah *gag* Thankfully I wasnt too fond of normal yogurt before I went vegan, so I dont miss it. lol

Ok I just want to say this-

If you are a vegetarien, vegan, don't eat _____, or anything like that great! But if I respect you for not eating meat or whatever just respect me for eating it. My best friend is a vegetarien (except she does sometimes eat turkey or chicken) and we get along great as long as I don't bother her and she doesn't bother me about what we eat!


~Rachel

Soy tastes so good in hamburger helper, I buy "ground soy" LOL and then put it in hamburger helper and it tastes great. The cheesey lasagna flavor is my favorite.

Mmm hamburger helper:D

We have like a billion soy packets from chinese resteraunts. I swear over a hundred packets. Anyone want some?:p

~Rachel

Melissa's soy taco (which looks and tastes like hamburger meat) is the BEST in anything like hamburger helper.

The funny thing is: I plug Melissa's I plug Morningstar farms. and I eat it, a lot. But I'm not currently a vegetarian. My point, (I think) is that if a non-vegetarian eats it, it must be good!