the judge in this trial is a moron...
"Judge Ito, I want you to meet Judge Gannett......"
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the judge in this trial is a moron...
"Judge Ito, I want you to meet Judge Gannett......"
There was a protest here over the fact that Bryant may have his Sprite endorsement yanked. The protesters want everyone to Boycott Sprite. Bryant says he won't get a fair trial in Colorado because it's toooo white. A baseball player( think his name is Cuban-he's not Cuban his name is C-U-B-A-N) said the trial is actually good for the NBA-it brings in money and exposure!!Oh he got into a bit of trouble for saying that.
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Originally posted by Airedalekisses
A baseball player( think his name is Cuban-he's not Cuban his name is C-U-B-A-N) said the trial is actually good for the NBA-it brings in money and exposure!!Oh he got into a bit of trouble for saying that.
Mr. Mark Cuban owns the Dallas Mavericks and has been fined over 1 mil for his critisim of the NBA, he team will host the Lakers at the seaon opener on Oct. 27 in Dallas....
i have to admit, as much as I do not like him, his statements were
edited to sound bites..........altho i see the freedom of speech thing ...he owes it to the NBA to be selective as to what he says and how the media will butcher it...
thanks Richard, I don't know a lot about sports, Remember when Marge Schott(sp?) got into trouble for calling her players her $miilion N word.
you don't need brains to own a team!Quote:
Originally posted by Airedalekisses
thanks Richard, I don't know a lot about sports, Remember when Marge Schott(sp?) got into trouble for calling her players her $miilion N word.
As far as criminal charges go, I think we can't really base an opinion. We see him, we see the charges. We haven't seen the evidence and we haven't seen the accuser.
I think we need all the info, which I hope the jury will get.
HEY!! We're perfectly OK here in Colorado. It's just when the folks from California show up that things start getting weird. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
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Memo
To: Richard
From: Common Sense
Don't go to Colorado. Never, ever, ever.
woo hoo! you tell him catsindenver!
Sorry Richard, just wanted to gang up on you in support of my neighbor to the north.
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Originally posted by CatsinDenver
HEY!! We're perfectly OK here in Colorado. It's just when the folks from California show up that things start getting weird. ;)
LOL!!Quote:
Originally posted by babolaypo65
woo hoo! you tell him catsindenver!
Sorry Richard, just wanted to gang up on you in support of my neighbor to the north.
it's not the first time i've ended up getting my fanny kicked by a gal or two..
CID,
just remember the next time there is nothing to do in your part of the country.....you'll be begging for us Cal folk to come tripping thru town....
of course, we'll try and keep it on a 'PG' level....;)
Nah--too many of y'all end up staying, and that drives the housing prices sky-high! :DQuote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
just remember the next time there is nothing to do in your part of the country.....you'll be begging for us Cal folk to come tripping thru town....
Well, they should just move the trial to the sane state of Oregon -
...you know, the home of Tonya Harding, Bob Packwood, the spotted owl, and the only state legistature still in session because those bozos can't figure out that the concept of BALANCED BUDGET means that you can't spend any more money than you have.
As home of the "Jail-Blazers" - ahem, I mean, "Trail Blazers", news of an NBA player in trouble with the law is old news to us.
Gosh, I never thought of that. Having Kobe's trial in Oregon could get your state out of debt.
But wait a minute.......I live in California..........sure, we don't have any budget problems here at all:D :D :D
Come on Richard, let's get them to change the venue to California and we could be debt free in no time at all.
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Originally posted by gini
Gosh, I never thought of that. Having Kobe's trial in Oregon could get your state out of debt.
But wait a minute.......I live in California..........sure, we don't have any budget problems here at all:D :D :D
Come on Richard, let's get them to change the venue to California and we could be debt free in no time at all.
lol,
I still haven't recovered from the last round of 'celebrity trials'....now that it will cost me 400 dollars to register my truck next time i think we
have the debt pretty well taken care of!
The girl obviously didn't have morals sexually if she had multiple partners already. So I cannot imagine her turning him down. What girl wouldn't want him?
The next day,the lightbulb came on, and she thought "Hey, there could be some money in this..."
I have to wonder why a woman goes to a man's hotel room??? To play Monopoly?? I agree the adultery is wrong....but that is not what he is on trial for....
I worry that in some ways the issue of rape is being used against women.... poor helpless things.....the pedulum has swung from it being all the woman's fault to women having no responsibility (before I get ripped I certainly don't mean that for women who are assaulted....this woman WENT to his hotel room....)
Until we get ALL the facts, a determination of true guilt or innocence really can't happen. Things were said and done by both parties that Im sure wouldn't be clasified in the brainy category. Now people are POed at Kobe for being a cheater and people are POed at the woman for being a total slut. Somehow, I think if these people were "blue collar" no one would really care one way or the other...
ITA. Why else would you go to a star athlete’s hotel room. I wouldn't go to any man's hotel room thinking that anything other than sex was going to happen. Duh.Quote:
Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
I have to wonder why a woman goes to a man's hotel room??? To play Monopoly?? I agree the adultery is wrong....but that is not what he is on trial for....
One of my friends used to argue that women should be allowed to wear anything they want without fear of being raped. Well, yes in a perfect world we should be able to dress as we wish without fear, but IMO if you're baring your rear & chest in public, you're asking for it in the sense that some sicko's going to get mad or turned on by that, and the chances of being raped/attacked increase. It's the same way with going to a man's hotel room. Yes it should be safe, but if you use the noggin God gave you, you should know that anything could happen. Why place yourself in that position by your attire or actions?
Did he rape her? I'll never know, only those two actually know. If she said no, then of course he should have stopped. But there's always the chance that it was consensual. I'm just glad I'm not required to try to decipher all the evidence and try to do right by both parties. :eek:
I don't really follow the news and I follow things like this even less frequently. But, I will say that I think wearing revealing or sexy clothing to a club is far less "suggestive" than going into a man's hotel room. Just my opinion that they're not even the same thing.
sirrahbed,
I agree with you.
I watched on the news 2 days ago, that
for the first time since 1974 stats came in
and show an all time low of rapes being
reported in Colorado. This case is having an impact
on rape victims whether he is guilty or not, because
of how this case has and is being handled.
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I can't read this whole thread! But I read a lot.
I believe the allegedly raped woman is old enough to know that when you go to a man's room alone, anything can happen- and that just by going to the room, that is saying "I am open to anything" Which may be a sad statement on our society but if your gonna be stupid....( how many women here would go to a married man's room and not know it meant sex?)
I just think we have taught our girls to be smart by now. You go to a hotel room with a man, Hello- it means sex. Now, if she was surprised by it and said no, then that of course is wrong for him to push himself on her.
She does seem savvy enough though to know how to call a man's intentions..
He may have raped her- we'll never know- since I didn't read the whole thread- did she go to the hospital and have a rape kit done on her?
KYS...that is my concern. I worked in a resort when I was younger (and more naive!) than this woman. I knew you did not EVER go to a guest's room unless it was a blood relative. She had already met him.
I am worried that, due to the high level of attention this case has recieved, and the...to many...dubious nature of the claim...that rape victims will be afraid to come forward or will be disbelieved.
I am worried this case will, in fact, set BACK the cause of rape victims.
I still believe she was raped (fyi) and I agree with you! Women need to take responsibility for themselves and save themselves!
Just want to say that I completely understand with what you're saying about the rape shield.Quote:
Originally posted by sirrahbed
We do NOT know if the girl was raped but the fact that she may have been immoral should not matter. The fact is that Kobe Bryant IS married. The accuser SHOULD have been able to tell him NO and expect him to stop whatever it was he was doing.
But first you say that her being immoral should not matter, then in the same breathe you state that Kobe IS married. If her immoral past has no bearing on anything, then neither does his immorality, IMO.
You can’t disregard her past and not his. Being married doesn’t even enter into the issue of whether he raped her or not for me. Neither does her past.
Her going to his hotel room says more about her intentions than anything in her past ever could. JMO
And yes, IF she said no, he should have stopped. ITA.
This whole thing is so screwed up. I want to believe in his innocence after all that we have learned about this particular "victim", but like you, Debbie, I don't want to see this hurt other rape victims. It will be good when it is over. Her filing the civil suit to get money sort of sealed my opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion.
But it's not been proven that he even IS a criminal. He's only been accused. Innocent until proven guilty.Quote:
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The HUGE difference here is that SHE is the victim and HE is the accused on trial. Rape is a crime. So, his morality IS significant while hers as a victim should be irrelevant. She is not on trial here.
Again - I am not arguing her innocence - I am arguing the fact that the rape shield is in place to keep a VICTIM from being treated as equal to the criminal - exactly what is happening in the Kobe Bryant trial. The arguments you are making above are supporting the very problem I am arguing. The victim must not be treated to the same standards as the accused.
The accused have rights also, as they should until their guilt is proven. That's a great right we all have in this country.
Like I said before, I'm very glad that I don't have the responsibility of deciding who's being truthful in this case. What a huge weight to carry. :(
I just now caught this thread and thought i'd toss in my 2 cents...
This country has a habit of making heros of those who should be seriously reprimanded. I've heard all sorts of stuff Re. Kobe, and so many people are saying, "BUt he loves his fiance so much! He proposed and everything!" Yeah, he did, but only AFTER he was accused of sexual assault and she found out he was cheating. If you look at her face at the press conferences, she looks as if she knows he's guilty but wants her 15 minutes of fame too.
If he is aquitted, they everyone will be saying, "He was targeted because of his fame," "He rose above the accusations," blah blah blah. Not one word will be said about his infideleties, or his immoral behaviour. ANd if i may say so, his gf/fiance/wife/whatever is an idiot for staying with him, thinking it will never happen again.
To make my point about heros... We have turned Magic Johnson into an HIV/AIDS advocate. Why? Yes, the disease is terrible, but what is rarely spoken of is HOW is contracted it. Cheating on his wife with NUMEROUS women. He should not rise to hero status just because of his disease, instead why not use him as an example??? What kind of message does this send to the youth? President Clinton was shown to be above the law. ANyone else would hvae been in trouble for purgery. What happened to him? Not a whole heck of a lot. It was kind of glossed over.
All these men cheated on their wives and got what they deserved.... or did they?
heinz57_79, you took the words right out of my mouth. I couldn't have said it better. I would have no desire to be with him and don't understand why women would? Just because he's famous? Sorry, that's not near good enough for me.
the term hero- I haven't looked it up but I thought heros were people who did something courageous; like jump in a river to save a drowning victim, go into a burning house to save a child or pet, go overseas to take gunshots for our country, etc. Why are star athletes considered akin to "heros"? They didn't do anything to earn this status. Or was he "rescuing" the desk clerk from her monotonous (sp?) job by giving her hotel variety? (kidding and sarcastic- sorry!) Just thinking about the word and that he shouldn't be referred to as a hero- but then I am not a sports fan- maybe to sports fans he is a hero?
I don't know, I haven't noticed anyone calling athletes heroes per se. role models, yes, which, oftentimes, is just as undeserving a title. Some of them do deserve it. A lot of them still really are good people. A lot of them aren't. I hung out with a lot of pro athletes for a season here in Dallas, and, none of them were faithful. but, I honestly believe the women they marry know that, and, I also think that a lot of them do the same thing. But, from the girls I met, here they are with a hot guy that's going to hook them up financially for life. They're going to pop out a couple of kids and literally be set. It's not morally right, but, I have to think a lot of the infidelities aren't so secret. It almost seems just like an unspoken understanding. I could be wrong, I'm just going on what I saw. I never knowingly dated or went out with any of the married athletes, but, I know a lot of my friends did. And, the only one I did go out with, I asked him if he had a girlfried or wife, and, he lied about it. And, I didn't follow his team, so I didn't know he was married. Found out later on TV, though. ha ha, oh, well, I didn't do anything regretful anyway. ;) Just dinner and a movie. But, yeah, anyway, I think Kobe's girl stayed with him because she weighed her options. I wouldn't stay with him, but, then, I wouldn't hook up with a guy just to get a purple diamond either. I just think she's completely aware and is probably alright with it. (I don't even begin to speculate on whether or not he raped that girl, I'll never know for sure and it's just a headache I don't need trying to figure out someone else's life) So, yeah, this post is just about his fiancee.
PROSECUTORS HAVE JUST DROPPED THE CHARGES AGAINST KOBE BRYANT...
Yes, I just heard this also - but it isn't really what it sounds like. The charges were "dismissed without prejudice" and this is very unusual. Essentially it means the charges are dropped but can be brought up again at any time - sort of like putting them on hold. When charges are dropped in a case, it is almost always "with prejudice" meaning dismissed, dropped, over and done with, period...not to be filed or brought up again.Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
PROSECUTORS HAVE JUST DROPPED THE CHARGES AGAINST KOBE BRYANT...
I would love to know what led up to this decision by the prosecution:rolleyes: I doubt that they are giving up - I suspect they are just putting things off for a better time. Maybe the accuser is running scared at the moment?
Seems to be some conflicting information out there. See the attached article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5861379/?GT1=5100
Yes, this is also what I am now hearing. I did think dismissing without prejudice was odd, in fact I have never heard of it happening!:rolleyes: I heard this on both NBC and Fox. Now Fox is saying it is unclear. Who knows?? Thank you for the article, Logan.Quote:
Originally posted by Logan
Seems to be some conflicting information out there. See the attached article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5861379/?GT1=5100
Being a Chicago Bulls fan all my life, I have a little animosity towards the Lakers and I still think he's innocent. (yes I know basketball has nothing to do with this) What won me over was that the woman had slept with someone after she slept with Kobe. If I was raped, I would be so freaked out and wouldn't want to have sex for a long time. It seems like someone talked her into calling it rape after the fact. Then again, I haven't been following this all to closely. Just my opinion :)
Try M-O-N-E-Y.Quote:
[i]I would love to know what led up to this decision by the prosecution:rolleyes: I doubt that they are giving up - I suspect they are just putting things off for a better time. Maybe the accuser is running scared at the moment? [/B]
As for running scared, wouldn't you be? They "mistakenly" leaked her name to the press, then they "mistakenly" released her medical records to the press, not once but TWICE. They already put her through a trial.........via the press.
As much of a basketball junkie that I am, it really makes me mad when they pamper these over-paid, whiny mulit-millionaires. :mad:
I know someone who went through a rape, and, she reported him, and, he was charged with it. But, she actually had sex with a guy she'd known for awhile as soon as she could. I think it's definitely different with every person. She said it made her feel safe to be in the arms of someone that wasn't forcing her. I don't know, though, it's not even something I've tried to figure out. I think he's an a**hole just for cheating on his wife. I know that a lot of the pro athletes do, and, a lot of the women are ok with it, but, it's not something I'll ever agree with. I'm not saying he's not a great basketball player and that I don't enjoy watching him on the court, because I keep the two completely separate. I just think his character off the court is questionable.
Absolutely! My heart is with this victim. I agree she has already been tried. I HATE that the rape shield has been misused - this puts rape victims back decades. I do not know if she is inocent or not, but I still feel for her.Quote:
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As for running scared, wouldn't you be?
I also do not think it is unusual for her to run to the safety of another man, a safe and loving man, after a rape. As for not reporting right away - well, most are NEVER reported at all! Any victim advocate can tell you this is a realistic response. I have been a victim of sexual abuse myself and the things I did initially were NOT very logical but they were things I did to feel back in control. I also work as an advocate for clergy sexual abuse victims. These victims generally do one of two things: they become celebate or promiscuous. The married victims sometimes seek out frantic sex from their husbands while unable to feel anything but numbness. One third commit suicide. It is very hard to understand the psychology of a victim unless you have been there. I also understand that this young woman was troubled to start with. My heart aches for her.
It also makes me sick to see folks pamper these over-paid, whiny mulit-millionaires. I hope she survives her civil suit. A civil suit is HELL. I have been there too and cannot fathom how anyone would ever consider them frivolous or worth ANY amount of money.