labradors???

The silver coloration comes into play when the D gene is turned on - which does not happen in labradors. If the D gene is dd then it will "dilute" the coloration if the B gene is bb in labradors. In other breeds the dilute combo (dd) can make a Bb or BB dog gray or "blue". A dog like the doberman has this dilute gene pattern and therefore "blue" dobies can arise from a black doberman that has this dilute combination. Other breeds like Great Danes, Chow Chows, and German Shepherds can be diluted. Some breeds accept the color and others do not.

The breeders of silver labs say that it is not the work of the D gene but of the B gene working in conjunction with the C gene which I don't think is true in Labradors - (C for "concentration" can cause fox reds in our breed when combined with ee and it can influence the concentration of black or chocolate expression as well - goes into why some chocolates are darker than others).

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in other words lab x wienmeraner (sp?)

seeing friends who breed labs on sunday at dog club and will ask there opinion on this very annoying subject (not that there is anything to ask) there are three colourings of the breed yellow, black, chocolate:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by cloverfdx
The silver coloration comes into play when the D gene is turned on - which does not happen in labradors. If the D gene is dd then it will "dilute" the coloration if the B gene is bb in labradors. In other breeds the dilute combo (dd) can make a Bb or BB dog gray or "blue". A dog like the doberman has this dilute gene pattern and therefore "blue" dobies can arise from a black doberman that has this dilute combination. Other breeds like Great Danes, Chow Chows, and German Shepherds can be diluted. Some breeds accept the color and others do not.

The breeders of silver labs say that it is not the work of the D gene but of the B gene working in conjunction with the C gene which I don't think is true in Labradors - (C for "concentration" can cause fox reds in our breed when combined with ee and it can influence the concentration of black or chocolate expression as well - goes into why some chocolates are darker than others).

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Nice plagerism! What you did is illegal in the United States of America...not sure about Australia. You took credit for someone elses work, with out giving the author credit or noting the source you got your information from.

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If it is so annoying, why don't you stop "arguing" about silver Labs, and leave this thread. No one is forcing you to post here...

I'm not even going to bother fighting for a useless cause, as long as I know the truth and the facts, I'll be happy, and when I get my Labradors I know they will be well looked after.

Oh yes, I forgot to include the link for the website Cloverfdx's post was plagerised from:

My HTML Code is off for some reason, so I have to post the link the long way...http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/silverlabs.html

ok calling this crap quits, you know i dont really care what you people think, go ahead and keep on beliving you can get pure bred "silver" labradors, hell why your at it go and get yourself a pure "labradoodle" "groodle" "maltipoo"

LABRADORS DO NOT CARRY THE DILUTE GENE, THAT IS NEEDED TO CREATE THE SILVER/ BLUE COLOURING ~Grrrr~

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...6/fbf54a4e.jpg
and another thing i actualy like labs not all but a few (cameron the black boy )

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...a/fbf54a57.jpg
KOBE "BEAR" (lovely choc boy)

as for the breed specific legislations, they have nothing to do with labradors as people think they are the most wonderfull family dogs around, and would never think of banning them. they are only after those killer "pitt bulls" (sarcasm)

and yes i strongly belive in "there are no bad dogs, just bad owners"

~grumbles~ i had it with this crap now

finished

I had never seen a silver lab until I checked out those sites--beautiful!!!

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I had never seen a silver lab until I checked out those sites--beautiful!!!

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I know! I think they are so beautiful.

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there are three colourings of the breed yellow, black, chocolate:rolleyes:

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Those are the three RECOGNIZED colours. Not many people have heard of silver labs, and that's why it's difficult for people like you to accept them. It's the same reason people think that white shepherds are a seperate breed from other colours of german shepherds.

What you quoted from that site did not in any way say that labs were crossed with wiemeraners. What you said also didn't make any sense, because that statement just gave more evidence toward the theory of silver colouration, it didn't prove it wrong in any way.

Like the website said, "The breeders of silver labs say that it is not the work of the D gene but of the B gene working in conjunction with the C gene." The person who made the site may not believe this, but it is still evidence, and you quoted it and can't take it back now.

Is it true that silver labs may have more health problems then the black, yellow, and chocolate labs?

P.S. I read it from another "silver lab site"

nah...it is true that some of the colours in other breeds (like white dobermans or boxers) are prone to more problems (deafness, sunburn etc.), but silver cant cause anything...:)

Ok, thanx, thats what i meant.:)

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Is it true that silver labs may have more health problems then the black, yellow, and chocolate labs?

P.S. I read it from another "silver lab site"

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No, I don't believe so. But the breed all together have a lot of health issues, do to over breeding.

Ok, thanx again:)

Labs suffer from hip dysplasia, arthritis, retinal atropgy, osteochondrosis, and much, much more!!

If you buy a Labrador from a breeder, make sure it is OFA/CERF certified, along with the puppies parents. This is very important!!!!

just as i started to read the new post's my brother and fiancee just walked in (my bro's fiancee and family have been breeding labs for over 25 years) and know what they are doing and know a hell of alot about the breed, when i mentioned the silver labradors my bro's fiancee lol and said it was impossible and when i showed her www.silverlabs.com we were both laughing so much at the poor sucker's who get these dogs shipped world wide.

the so called labs look ALOT like weinmeraners (sp?)

again that is all on the subject (FOR NOW)

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the so called labs look ALOT like weinmeraners (sp?)

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No they don't. If you studied the breeds features carefully, you would have noticed that silver Labradors have big blocky heads, which is a breed standard for Labrador Retrievers. Weimaraners have long narrow heads, which is also a breed standard for Weimnaraners.

Silver Lab:
http://www.silverlabs.com/index.4.jpg

Weimaraner:
http://www.bapfish.freeuk.com/dogs/weimaraner.jpeg

Their head structure looks NOTHING alike. Look at the ear size difference.

Silver Lab:
http://hosting.northernweb.net/silve...ages/alex.JPEG

Weimaraner:
http://www.petbrazil.com.br/bicho/caes/615.jpg

Their body structure is totally different too. The Weimaraner is tall and sleek, and the silver Labrador is medium and stocky.

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my bro's fiancee lol and said it was impossible and when i showed her www.silverlabs.com we were both laughing so much at the poor sucker's who get these dogs shipped world wide.

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It is obviously possible, look at the pictures and breeders websites. They must not know "a whole hell of a lot" about Labradors if they have never heard of a silver lab. Have they ever heard of a cream and fox red Labrador before..since they don't know about silver Labradors? Here is another silver labrador breeder:

Crist Culo Kennels: http://hosting.northernweb.net/silverlab/

I have also noticed that all the silver labrador breedersI have found so far, are in the United States, not Australia. That would most likely explain why you and your family members have never seen them before, and won't excpet them...you have never heard of this coloration before. That is my logical guess.


I thought you said you were done, anyways!?!?!?!?

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I think the color of the silver labs and the weims definatley look about the same. But, the lab has a "bulky" body compared to the weim.:)

Yeppers. I agree with your statement too! :D :)

To view it in a different perspective. It is like the Doberman and the Rottweiler. They have the same coloration, but totally different sizes, and body builds. :)

http://www.xiakedao.com/home/dogking.../dobermann.jpg
http://www.xiakedao.com/home/dogking...rottweiler.jpg

LOL, hey im getting the hang of these "silver labs"...;)

:D

...hhmm, I wonder why!?!? :p

LOL..thanx for all the info.... :)

They don't look like wiemeraners :rolleyes: Obviously if your brother's fiancee is a "good breeder", and knows what labs actually look like (let's hope a breeder of labs for 25 years would know what the heck one looks like) she should realize that they look VERY different. You know, people used to be as skeptical about chocolate labs, and said that they were lab chesapeake crosses.

This website http://www.labbies.com/genetics2.htm#Silver clearly states this :
"When one traces the pedigrees of some silver Labs, one finds a history of other color oddities occurring in some related bloodlines to the silver Labs. Occurrences of "black-casting" in chocolates, muted chocolate coloration ("card-board box" coloring), as well as the occasional occurrence of black puppies being whelped from two chocolate parents suggests that these "chocolates" were probably not chocolate at all but rather E+ yellows. As such, it is conceivable that the Agouti alleles could produce an intense red pigment resulting in deep red (interpreted as chocolate especially in the absence of "saddling" modifiers) or diluted, muted red (card board box color) due to further modification by the alleles of the C locus). In black Labs, an ayayEE+ geneotype could produce a muted black color (because of the presence of both receptor types) especially if the alleles at the C locus were cch, thus resulting in a deep charcoal, silvery coat appearance. This suggests a possible role of E+ for the silver coloration as well as for a multitude of other coat color variants that occasionally occur in the breed."

Colour mutations are not rare in the dog world. And niether is a colour long-forgotten appearing in a line. It's what happened with white german shepherds. White shepherds started appearing in litters, and when the lines were traced back to old Germany, they found after close examination, that a few white dogs WERE used in the making of the german shepherd dog breed. Also, although not common, golden retrievers have been known to have black blotches covering the body, due to the black dogs used in making the golden retriever breed.

Looks like it's time to bring out the old punnet squares :p

look at this site guys :)

http://www.billcrabtreesilverlabs.com/

These people breed all colours of labs, even silver. They get mostly silver pups, and all of the parents are yellow chocolate and black....you would think they'd get a little more of other colours lol. Beautiful puppies, take a look!

I have heard that the labs are alot more dominant that the golden retriever..they are like family though..the goldens are supposedly more gentle natured, but I love them both..I had a chocolate lab for 13 years, and he was the sweetest dog I knew..he never growled at anyone ever,,he loved people, sometimes almost too much...I miss him still to this day :(
http://www.growthspurts.com/drivee/i...6106281251.jpg
Rusty is the chocolate lab in here.

I don't believe that Labs are more dominant than Goldens. I think they're both VERY VERY similar in temperament. I think they're so similar that in order to pick one or the other, you'd have to meet the individual puppies (or dogs) and make your decision on that, not the breed.

Labs do seem more energetic. I actually don't think you can classify any breed as dominant, since thats more of an individual characteristic.

Hmm...I wonder where Lute went?!?!? I have more information/pictures if you would like some more! :) :D

Labradors are absolutely the best. My first dog was a labrador - my parents got him when I was just a kid. Loved him with all my heart - such a gentle and smart dog.