Thousands rally at Ground Zero in support of war

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Originally posted by RICHARD

i just feel that if we support the troops/soldiers we have to support them 100%. war and all. that's what they do. that's what they train for. they want the chance to prove their meddle and
show the people that support them that they are the best at what they do........
......soldiers do not want war, who does????
soldiers should be the insurance policy against war.
BUT, when they do go to do their job i think that we owe them the respect and the backing they deserve, after all they do the job that some people will not do, or can't do.
i, for one, thank them for the job they do. i don't want war either.
but when the call comes i want the best..... i want the best weaponry, best equipment and best support those guys can have.
i truly believe that if you send a person to war, and the possibility
of them coming home in an aluminum box that we should support them NO MATTER WHAT. again, they are doing something that i cannot-so i HAVE to support them 100%.

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So well said Richard. I agree with every word.

Christine

Thank you Richard, I was just thinking that same thing!

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Originally posted by petsbestern
We're going to bomb country after country

he's going to bomb the whole Middle East, one after the the other.

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Aren't you getting just a little carried away? Don't you watch the briefings with Sec. Rumsfeld and Ari Fleischer? You sound like you need to take a deep breath. :rolleyes:

Again well said Richard.

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Originally posted by petsbestern
They don't have any evidence. There is none. :rolleyes:

Iceyshiver, you are not supposed to go bomb a country when its "supposedly." You can suppose anything on anyone and bomb the whole world. :rolleyes: Exactly what we are doing. Now we are threatening Syria. I bet they will be next. :rolleyes:

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I said "supposedly" because I didnt have and link or somthing that I could share on here to prove my point.

Richard

I was only trying to say that that I think there are people that are anti-war, that doesn't mean they don't support the troops. just like your comparison about the butcher, I would hope that people could respect the other persons beliefs without believing in them , themselves. does that make sense? if I was a vegatarian, I wouldn't go protesting the butcher shop, he has a right to not be a vegatarian, like I have a right to be one. (I am not one though)
just like, I am NOT against the war, I never have been, but that doesn't mean that I don't think that others should not have the right to not want it.

anyway, I am not real crazy about Bush, but I think he is right about this, and I don't think he's insane and just going to bomb country after country!
we are trying to get rid of terrorists! my god, I think he waited long enough for the UN to come around, and they werent going to! all this should have been done a long time ago!
I don't like war either but the idea of leaving these madmen of the world alone to keep doing what they are doing is even more scary to me.

and I agree with you about the the soldiers too, they are doing all this for us, and I do respect them very much! they deserve everyones respect!

Just a little bit of new news. (not official through the Pentagon)
MSNBC just reported that Abu Abbas, a terrorist mastermind
mostly known for the highjacking of the Achille Lauro,
was captured in a home around or in Baghdad.
(I am assuming he will probably be sent to Italy
to face trial.)

Richard, I am also waiting for petsbestern reply to
your post about the Syrian Government.

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Originally posted by KYS
Just a little bit of new news. (not official through the Pentagon)
MSNBC just reported that Abu Abbas, a terrorist mastermind
mostly known for the highjacking of the Achille Lauro,
was captured in his home in Baghdad.
(I am assuming he will probably be sent to Italy
to face trial.)

Richard, I am also waiting for petsbestern reply to
your post about the Syrian Government.

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no trial for that SOB -for the record that a.h. SHOT A WHEELCHAIR BOUND passenger and pushed the body overboard.
klinghoffer was his name.....a real man that abbas is...wouldn't it be tragic if he fell down a flight of stairs before his trial ;)

Kys,

waiting also......



merry,

sorry about the rush to judgement- i
saw a woman who had a huge pink 'stop the war' sign taped to her tailgate (the car, not her rear!) and on top of it was a hastily
added 'support the troops and'....
i don't mind if that was the message from the beginning, but when it becomes an addendum or an afterthought- THAT PISSES ME OFF. these guys deserve the respect from the beginning, not as a 'oops, someone yelled at me so i better fix the sign!!' or
'geez someone may think i'm unpatriotic!!!"

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Originally posted by iceyshiver21
I said "supposedly" because I didnt have and link or somthing that I could share on here to prove my point.

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somedays a thought from your own head is worth more that a link or website, it shows you can think for yourself....

:)

if you believe your point that's all that matters, don't be blind to someone else's view, and if you have to apologize or retract your statement remember, it only hurts for a second!!!:cool:

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somedays a thought from your own head is worth more that a link or website, it shows you can think for yourself

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I was seeking out a fact, not an opinion. Facts need backing up. Personal feelings/thoughts do not.

Of course, thinking you know something is quite different. Especially when you cannot back it up with a simple web search or newspaper scan.

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Originally posted by Soledad
I was seeking out a fact, not an opinion. Facts need backing up. Personal feelings/thoughts do not.

Of course, thinking you know something is quite different. Especially when you cannot back it up with a simple web search or newspaper scan.

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here's a fact.
sometimes helping someone out with a discussion in not only welcome, it's the civil thing to do.

and you of all people!!!!!!

i'd like you to back up some of the things that you 'chicken little'd'
before the war.

hike in gas prices
civil unrest in arab countries
thousands of women and children being killed by US bombs...
ad naseum....

were those opinions or statements of fact?????lololololol

again, instead of challenging a kid and taking them by the hand to instruct them or getting the to critically think, you smile, and
roll up the newspaper just to smack them in the head with it.

I admire ICE because she's got moxie and the desire to ask questions....there's nothing like smacking a kid around when they
make a statement and can't back it up, huh?...me, i'd rather give them a chance and let them say something outrageous..and then try to find out WHY they said it....i mean they are just kids right?????


and if you seek facts go find them yourself! you are far more
qualified to search the web than ICE is.

funny we keep going over this time and time again. you make a statement. i laugh and contest it, then you fly off the handle and cry FOUL!!!


here think about this one......

all the prostestors are screaming about how 'korea is a bigger threat than iraq was' - what are we supposed to do about korea???
should we go over and take care of this threat there'll be protestors in the street, supporting troops, but crying about the
people of korea???

lol, that's rich (wait that's ME!!!!!!)

the only point i have to prove is the point my head comes to!

loving ya buddy!

I looked all over the resource I have available to me and have not found one place where there was evidence that Saddam had connections to 9-11. There may be evidence of it. But I haven't found it. I would think that if there was proof, that it would be VERY easy to find.

I was directing my request for information at everyone here. Not just Icey.

In all this time of war discussion, you have never taken the time to truly hear in a non judgmental way, my end. So I find it laughable that you are now claiming to welcome open minds and critical thought.

The war on Iraq is not over. There are a lot of variables still at play. Like the little matter of where the hell Saddam is. There is a humanitarian crisis in Iraq that needs sorted out quickly and if you think there is not unrest in the Arab world, you would be mistaken.

I do not recall making the claim that oil prices would rise no matter what. Everyone has been saying that a short war would do wonders for oil prices. And to my knowledge, there has been no count of civilian casualities or deaths and I firmly believe their lives were considered so deeply because of world opposition to the war and the peace protests.

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Originally posted by RICHARD


here think about this one......

all the prostestors are screaming about how 'korea is a bigger threat than iraq was' - what are we supposed to do about korea???
should we go over and take care of this threat there'll be protestors in the street, supporting troops, but crying about the
people of korea???

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actually Richard I have wondered (aloud) about that too.

not so much in the "are we going to go there too and take care of this threat" way,
but more like:
why Iraq and NOT N. Korea? What is it that was the deciding factor to go to Iraq instead of N. Korea?
You hear people say the word OIL when that question is put out there, and honestly I have to wonder........................

Nobody yet has really given a good (or even fair) answer to that.
Maybe you could shed some light, because if there is a explanation, I would like to know what it is. I always have desire to fully understand all sides of things.

PS- looking to see pics of your kitty too. maybe I'll go check out that thread 'a face only a dad could love' of yours while I wait.

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Originally posted by Soledad
I was seeking out a fact, not an opinion. Facts need backing up. Personal feelings/thoughts do not.

Of course, thinking you know something is quite different. Especially when you cannot back it up with a simple web search or newspaper scan.

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Personally I pefer a news clipping but I dont get our "Marshall Independent" newspaper delivered to my house :( I read it at school and then I ask my socail teachers any of my questions about it so they can also help me with the back up info, like what problems we had with Saddam in '91 when I was like 4. I'll try and find more stuff to back up my information but like when I first posted that I said "supposedly" because thats just what I heard, not what Info I had to back it up....as for simple web search it is easy for anyone to make a website or post somthing thats why I prefer TV and New clippings over it. Yah Yah I know that If I look on like foxnews.com or somthing, but I dont know the stories on there always seem to dissapear and be replaced by somthing else.

Maybe I should record the people I talk to about it and post it on here, that would be so cool! :cool:

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Originally posted by Soledad
And to my knowledge, there has been no count of civilian casualities or deaths

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I gave a rough count on here that I saw on CNN and FOX, Ill try and find it in print for you.

Heres the closest thing I found-
USA TODAY!

I dont think that there is a way to get a possitive death count for Iraqis because we dont know how many civilions joined the war or how many got caught in the aftermath.

My dads kicking me off the comp but heres what I found-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...0634%2C00.html
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/ne...21/ixhome.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/747339/posts

**Some of it has the Oklahoma city bombing in it. I'm sorry about that.

I think that a lot of the connections between 911 and Saddam Hussein are "proven" but are coming from classified documents and sources that are not available (for good reason) to the media and the general public. I, unlike you Soledad, am willing to accept somethings that I am told because I trust the source enough when I'm told that the information is classified. Now, I'm sure it will be a case that I'm wrong because I trust someone, but so be it, that's the way it goes and it's my choice. Do I trust blindly....no....that's just stupid.

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Originally posted by yorkster

You hear people say the word OIL when that question is put out there, and honestly I have to wonder........................

Nobody yet has really given a good (or even fair) answer to that.
Maybe you could shed some light, because if there is a explanation, I would like to know what it is. I always have desire to fully understand all sides of things.

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blood for oil...

here we go............

why would be send our troops to take over the oil fields in iraq when .......

we could have bought the oil for ourselves under the "FOOD FOR OIL" sanctions we lobbied for against iraq- let the iraqis do ALL the work and we benefit from their labor...isn't that the American way???? lol.....why go in and take the chance that saddam would destroy the oil fields before we get our hands on them-that would set back the plans for our world conquest, no? oh wait, we want to get OUR people in there to rebuild the oil pumping stations, waste years building the oil infrastructure, and then get the oil!!!!!!!....it flies in the face of common sense......


and do debunk another cliche....-GW STOLE, WAS ANOINTED INTO
THE PRESIDENCY....
if i remember correctly AG had a chance to win 49 other states,
(oh to lose your home state, tennesee, in a pres election!!!!)
he won, some lost others......had he been a better candidate
and ralph nader not run...things may have been a bit different..


but i may be wrong....

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Originally posted by Soledad


In all this time of war discussion, you have never taken the time to truly hear in a non judgmental way, my end.

I do not recall making the claim that oil prices would rise no matter what

And to my knowledge, there has been no count of civilian casualities or deaths and I firmly believe their lives were considered so deeply because of world opposition to the war and the peace protests.

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sorry i mistook you for some one else,
you know how things are when you hear the same lines
over and over and over and over and over again.

and seriously, why would i listen to you in a nonjudgemental way
when beat the crap outta people looking for information???


to my knowledge there has been a running count as to the casualties during the regime change, invasion, occupation..

oh dear,
again i apologize for thinking you had made some of those outrageous comments before the war. mea culpa.

now that that is over would you consider trying to be nice for a day or two????? it won't cost you anything and i may start to like you.

please?
:D

Iraqi-
POWs- 7000+
Dead- 1250(not positive because theres really noway to tell)

American/British-
POWs- 0
Dead- 127(give or take a few)

This is the most recent death count I have seen its from CNN though and they arent the most reiliable source. This is a few day old.

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Originally posted by iceyshiver21
Iraqi-
POWs- 7000+
Dead- 1250(not positive because theres really noway to tell)

American/British-
POWs- 0
Dead- 127(give or take a few)

This is the most recent death count I have seen its from CNN though and they arent the most reiliable source. This is a few day old.

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good work!

There is a link on Fox News that updates daily the casualties.

Death Toll

• Coalition: 156 coalition deaths reported.
123 U.S.
31 British f coalition fatalities

List of coalition fatalities
• Wounded:
495 U.S.
No numbers available for British
• Iraq: Iraq has not released details of military casualties. U.S. military officials have reported thousands of Iraqi military deaths. Abu Dhabi TV, quoting official Iraqi sources, reported that 1,252 Iraqi civilians have been killed and 5,103 wounded.

POWs/MIAs

• Missing or captured: 3 U.S. are MIA

• Iraqi POWs: 7,300+ are in Coalition custody

Theres a better one....

(again from CNN.....I couldnt find the Fox news one Mugsy :( Ill go looks some more)

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Originally posted by RICHARD
blood for oil...

here we go............

why would be send our troops to take over the oil fields in iraq when .......

we could have bought the oil for ourselves under the "FOOD FOR OIL" sanctions we lobbied for against iraq- let the iraqis do ALL the work and we benefit from their labor...isn't that the American way???? lol.....why go in and take the chance that saddam would destroy the oil fields before we get our hands on them-that would set back the plans for our world conquest, no? oh wait, we want to get OUR people in there to rebuild the oil pumping stations, waste years building the oil infrastructure, and then get the oil!!!!!!!....it flies in the face of common sense......

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Okay. I see your point and it's a good one. Not saying I completely buy into it, but I am going to consider it (seriously).
Hmmmmmm..............................

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject (I know it was probably difficult to give us your opinion! hee-hee :p )

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Originally posted by yorkster
Okay. I see your point and it's a good one. Not saying I completely buy into it, but I am going to consider it (seriously).
Hmmmmmm..............................

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject (I know it was probably difficult to give us your opinion! hee-hee :p )

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hokay!

for the record (and a chance to win you over completely-lolololol)
which part can i try to resell you on???

thanks!:eek:

Richard Richard Richard, you are such a stud that you are winning women over left and right. The amount of water on the brain must be increasing logrithmically! lol

LOL :D Thats funny.. :D

posted by iceyshiver21:LOL :D Thats funny.. :D >>>>>

I got a laugh on that one too. :D

can't you ladies be serious for one moment????

it is a controversial thread......isn't it????


:p


geez i get serious for all of three seconds and the roof falls in....



(i still love you all!)

I hope ther wasn't a flood when the roof hit your head and split it open!! lol

i had to change my shirt....



happy thursday everyone!!1
taking your orders now!!

I'm on vacation in exactly 6 hours 15 minutes. It's kind of cool and rainy here today so I'd like a Spanish coffee.;)

I can't drink the hard stuff so - I want one of those cobalt blue bottles of selzer water I see on t.v. shows!:D A fancy glass with lots of ice and one of those umbrella things! ( don't forget a coaster too!)


Thank you sir.

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Originally posted by sammi
I can't drink the hard stuff so - I want one of those cobalt blue bottles of selzer water I see on t.v. shows!:D A fancy glass with lots of ice and one of those umbrella things! ( don't forget a coaster too!)


Thank you sir.

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forget the coaster????
i am not a heathen dear.....lol

you all are very welcome!

can i interest anyone in a tequila gimlet???

I could do tequila!

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Originally posted by babolaypo65
I could do tequila!

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hmmmm that says alot!!!

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Originally posted by babolaypo65
I could do tequila!

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I used to be able to do tequila :confused: ;)

It does....
remember, I'm from New Mexico!

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Originally posted by RICHARD
hmmmm that says alot!!!

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ooh. that can't be a pretty story. But of course, I want to hear it.

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Originally posted by yorkster
I used to be able to do tequila :confused: ;)

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Originally posted by babolaypo65
ooh. that can't be a pretty story. But of course, I want to hear it.

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no, it's NOT a pretty story (or 2). let's just say it was quite a few years ago, and I'm older and wiser now. maybe I'll tell the whole story sometime.....................:eek: :D