Ok Pops...name 10 things good about this country.
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Ok Pops...name 10 things good about this country.
Yeah, Pops, prove that you're a REAL American. :rolleyes:
Christ, it's just McCarthyism all over again.
I never accused her of being a Communist! AND I didn't say that she was unAmerican and that she would be thrown out of blacklisted if she didn't come up with 10.
I didn't say you did. But it's akin to it (again why are so many people here so literal and incapable of lateral thought??) in that you are asking her to validate her American-ness. And as for the blacklisting, you just don't have the authority. ;)
Um, I think maybe musgy was trying to get popcornbird to think of a few positive things about America?
You're right Micki!
Soledad, c'mon....at least let me dream a little! lol
You're right up there as #2 public enemy, Mugsy. I know your plans for world domination would make Richard Perle blush. If only you had the resources.
Dang!! I'm always the bridesmaid never the bride! hehehe (Don't tell Mike ok??) I always get the silver medal and never the gold....let's see...any more cliches I can come up with? Now, ask some of my students and I think they would disagree with you...I am Public enemy number 1!! hehehe
I'll have to rethink. You are the infamous Gum Nazi after all. :p ;)
SEE!!! I'm teaching my student teacher on that well also...she's caught more than I have this last week and I just sit back and laugh!!
Popcornbird I'm not assuming you think everything about America is bad. I should have sad that Molly was trying to get you to name 10 good things about America because she knew you could and would. I didn't mean to insinuate that she was challenging you, just that she knows you don’t “hate America”. And was trying to get something positive out of all of this. :)Quote:
Originally posted by popcornbird
I DID! I never said every thing about America was bad. You guys assume too much, in the negative direction. :rolleyes:
And Mugsy, I wrote that list for you so I expect to get a response, since I'm clueless as to why you asked.
Thank you Micki. I'm just tired of hearing the "awfulness factor" from you pops. And you can expect all you want, if I choose to answer you I will and if I don't I won't.
I'm sorry you feel that way Popcornbird, I never said you were full of hate, I think you should read the posts before you make a statement, what I said was "You live in a fantasy world of hate and discontent, rather than a world of love and peace" that is a far cry from saying I hate you. Please get your facts straight.
I never said I hated France, I merely pointed out that they did not go into the war because they had some sweet deals with Saddam, a far cry from saying I hate France, and also by the way, I did not call France insignificent as you said, not that I would visit there again.
I'm sorry that you are hurt, but I really don't care for someone who tells me that I am the PetTalker with the most hate in them.
That was very immature. Unlike you, who have to pronounce to the world that you don't hate, not a hater, etc. etc. I don't have to do that as my animals and my family and my friends know the kind of person that I am and I don't need to reinforce myself and tell everyone how wonderful I am.
Jackie
Sitting here from the UK and with a partner who is doing a PHD in politics I will give my take.....which many I'm sure will think it completely naive.
This war was going to happen before the UN gave their report upon their findings in Iraq, both Blair and Bush had the troops ready to roll before the UN inspectors got their mouths open. Like I have heard people saying - what are Bush and Blair going to say if no WOMD are found???
I hate the fact the UK are part of this, I don't really care what the US does but would rather we were left out if it.
If people don't make enemies then they won't be targets for hatred. That's why I wish we weren't in it, we are a lot nearer than you lot to Saddam and I fear bombs that are meant for you will be pointed at us.
On the news all I see is dying, US, UK and Iraq. I see UK people dying through stupid blunders, I see Iraq children wounded and I see Iraq men - old men and some almost still children in arms to keep us out if their country.
Anyone seen that "controversial" video by George Michael? It shows Blair being Bush's lap-dog. It's scarily true. I'm not saying anything bad about you or your country but feel I have every right to slag off my own.
Sarah
I can see that some of you will never even try to understand what I'm saying and why, so there is no point in coming to the dog house and arguing with those that won't listen and can't understand. I too will not answer your posts, so don't expect me to do so. I'm deleting all my posts in the dog house and I won't be coming here anymore. Not because I can't discuss. I CAN. Its because I know this will go on forever and I don't need to waste my time and energy in it and end up getting accused for things that are so false and untrue. See you all at General and the other boards as I won't be coming here for now. Ta ta!
I think I must agree with you Popcornbird. I don’t think I’ll be coming back to the doghouse too much, either. Seems like everyone here just wants to argue and not have an open and honest conversation (me included!! :rolleyes: )and its just bringing us all down. Bye doghouse, hello dog forum and wags smiles!
Ah, but what will the rest of the world say when they are found? Saddam admitted he had anthrax. He listed it once in his weapons list. So where is it? He could/would never show what he did with it so he must still have it.Quote:
Originally posted by shellonabeach
Like I have heard people saying - what are Bush and Blair going to say if no WOMD are found???
Sarah
Re: WOMD....Whether they are ever "unearthered" or not...What about all of the HUNDREDS of gas masks, bio-chem suits and atropine injectors that have ALREADY found? And they would be used for.............lawn treatments????????
No one, not even that inconsequential collection of do nothings they call the Security Council, Amenesty Intl., The Internaional Alliance for Justice (an Iraqi human rights adovacy group) the U.N. Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights in Iraq, Max van der Stoel, and certainly not the dead and maimed Iraqi citizens, denies that he has obtained them/manufactured them/and used them .
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If people don't make enemies then they won't be targets for hatred
Hmmmm, let's see. Saddam has made many enemies; most them, his own people. Thus, if one were to apply your logic, one might rightfully presume that HE is a legitimate target of hatred??
Funny thing, some people are rather indescriminate if not subjective in their definition of "hatred."
UBL hates "me" because I am a Westerner, an American and a Christian...an "infidel." He and his terrorists, with DELIBERATION, forethought and planning, killed thousands of world citizens, including a member of my family, when he ordered his henchmen to fly those planes into the TWC, the Pentagon and The White House. What part of Westerner, American or Christian do you think I should change so that he doesnt' "hate" me???? I don't think so!
George Michael??????? We're not going to go THERE are we???:rolleyes: I think George has been in enough of laps of his own, to keep his mouth shut on this one. I think there are others you might cite who might make your point more credibly; or tastefully.
Hey I just wanted to say my piece, twist it how you want, I'm not American and do not think the same way.
I just object to seeing the "US and Britain" are wonderful this and that. A large proportion of us Brits think this war is completely wrong, pity you don't get our channels and news, say what you want for America but please leave us out of it.
Sarah
You're fighting a losing battle, Shell. PT isn't very anti-war friendly as many of us can attest to. :(
Ahhhhhhh, but we do!!:) The BBC, Sky(e??) News, embedded British journalists and plenty of home grown anti war coverage. As a matter of fact, my family subscribes to several European periodicals/papers, listens to the short wave, etc. Most of my family lives in Europe in fact. I get plenty of "world coverage." Thanks anyway!!
And did I say I was "pro war??" I don't recall that.
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Originally posted by shellonabeach
Hey I just wanted to say my piece, twist it how you want, I'm not American and do not think the same way.
I just object to seeing the "US and Britain" are wonderful this and that. A large proportion of us Brits think this war is completely wrong, pity you don't get our channels and news, say what you want for America but please leave us out of it.
Sarah
check it out
US Britain
now, if you object to seeing those names together, get real close to the screen and close your left eye and the US disappears...
see no problem....we post what we want and you see what you want to see!!!!
actually we do get your BBC...and we do like it...especially that
Richard guy-anchor person. I like him, the weather lady doesn't
give the weather in my area, so i'm not so partial to her. Sorry.
Shell, Hmmmm, let's see. Saddam has made many enemies, most of them, his own people. Thus, if one were to drawn upon our logic, one might rightfully presume that HE is a legitimate target of hatred??
Obviously the Brits who are fighting over there to keep all you homebodies safe don't think it's wrong, they are getting killed and maimed to protect you and their families from the WOMD. Do you really think all of us love war? It's not the war we love it's the young men and women from Britain and the U.S., many who have given up their lives to protect all of us. Why not concentrate on bringing up the moral of the young people over there, the war is not going to stop because you may carry a sign now saying "peace", give them a break and show them you appreciate the sacrifices they are making in the NAME of Peace.
You can argue with the Politicians later.
Jackie
I am sorry but I cannot go along with this as a reason not to be involved.Quote:
Originally posted by shellonabeach
If people don't make enemies then they won't be targets for hatred. That's why I wish we weren't in it, we are a lot nearer than you lot to Saddam and I fear bombs that are meant for you will be pointed at us.
Yes of course you are entitled to say your piece, as am I. I say that I do not think there is one person who is a member of this board who wanted this war, but it is a fact, it is happening. So, no matter how many people think this war is wrong, no matter how many people think this war is right, makes not a jot of difference. We are in the war, Brits and Americans, together, like it or not.Quote:
Hey I just wanted to say my piece, twist it how you want, I'm not American and do not think the same way.
I am a Brit so am part of the `us`. Please don`t speak for me.Quote:
I just object to seeing the "US and Britain" are wonderful this and that. A large proportion of us Brits think this war is completely wrong, pity you don't get our channels and news, say what you want for America but please leave us out of it.
Chris
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Originally posted by ChrisH
I am a Brit so am part of the `us`. Please don`t speak for me.
Chris
You just earned yourself an Honorary American Citizenship.
Should you come to Los Angeles you can pick up the paperwork
then-and a beer, should you choose to do so. I'm buying.
:)
I think most Americans have access to cable
T.V. which airs news from other countries
such as BBC. (not to mention newspaper subscriptions
from around the world.) Let's not forget the access to news
via internet around the world.
I also do not think most of us our pro-war.
But since the war has started, we tend to band
together in support of our troups/Country.
"We just don't like reading/seeing/hearing our country being BASHED."
I wonder why I can have a calm discussion with my
friend in England, my neighbor from Holland
and my friend from Germany.
All three of my friends were against the war,
but once the war started, you will not see them going to any demonstrations, nor bashing America or Britian.
(We might not agree with everything that our governments
are doing) but the one thing all of us agree upon is supporting the troups, not giving Iraq or the middle east countries any propaganda that can be used against our soldiers/countries.
I agree with Jackie, you are not
going to stop the war by holding up a Peace sign and demonstrating. You want to make changes,
write your representatives and VOTE.
shellonabeach,
In my opionion we would still have enemy's
and terrorst attackes in the future against the US and Western world, even if we were not at war with Iraq.
Yep, if we were given a vote and an alternative option, I'm sure we wouldn't be in the war now. Last I heard there were 46 nations who were supporting us in some way or another. I'm proud of all of them but mostly of the ones willing to put their lives on the line with us.Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisH
Yes of course you are entitled to say your piece, as am I. I say that I do not think there is one person who is a member of this board who wanted this war, but it is a fact, it is happening. So, no matter how many people think this war is wrong, no matter how many people think this war is right, makes not a jot of difference. We are in the war, Brits and Americans, together, like it or not.
Chris
"I agree with Jackie, you are not
going to stop the war by holding up a Peace sign and demonstrating. You want to make changes,
write your representatives and VOTE."
Well, holding a peace sign is not more productive than waving a flag. Most protesters are part of larger organisations that ARE doing more by having letter writing campaigns, dissimenating information, supporting candidates for local elections that represent their views, etc.
Also, this "war" is creating so many Bin Ladens that we will have to deal with in 20-30 years.
It's too bad that there are stupid people out there who hate us just because we are us. Somehow I don't think this war is going to do much to change that either way....we are the infidels in their minds and it has been that way for a lot longer than this war or talk of this war has been going on. The bin Ladens of the world may not see the error in their ways in this life, but I feel that they probably will in the next.
Most protesters are part of larger organisations that ARE doing more by having letter writing campaigns, dissimenating information, supporting candidates for local elections that represent their views, etc.>>>>>>>>>>
And also "mingling" among the majority of these Peacefull protesters, are also anarchist, and other anti- US government groups, who have their own agenda.
Also, this "war" is creating so many Bin Ladens that we will have to deal with in 20-30 years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I disagree partly with this.
The Bin Ladens of the world are already out their and
our Government has been dealing with them for several years,
Just not on American Soil.
Mugsy, I don't think that is true. People don't hate us because of who we are. If we use our brains and wonder WHY they hate us, we will find many solutions.
I believe they hate us because:
1. We station our troops in every country we can get our hands on.
2. We support other governments that aren't democratic as long as they allow our troops to be stationed in their land, against the public's will. (I don't think we would be too happy if other countries suddenly decided they needed to install their troops in our country. I can see doing that when needed, but keeping our troops in the land of others for decades is IMHO wrong)
3. We are always concerned about our safety and how we feel and how our people feel, but we care little about the millions of people around the world that have been suffering for centuries, and many of them, because of us or because of nations we "harbor." (me included. I don't realize what they go through until it happens to us at home)
I believe there must be other reasons as well.
Honestly, I do not believe anyone anywhere in the world would hate anyone just because of who they are. That just doesn't make sense. When I realize people are hating our nation, I ponder about why, and put myself in there place, and see how I would feel if I were them. I know that people once had great respect for our nation and culture. I asked myself, why are people starting to hate us. Why didn't they hate us before?
Then I read the news, do some research, and I find out why. They don't hate us because of who we are. They hate us because of our foreign policies. Because of what our government does. Things that we may see as helping or saving come to their eyes with a different perspective. They see it in a different way. They understand it in a different way. They don't think we are saving them. They think we are taking their land and trying to dominate it.
I'm not saying that's what's happening as things are so uncertain at this point, but that is what I have concluded as to WHY they hate us. I also like to ask myself, why do we hate them? It does give answers. I don't hate them, but many Americans do. We need to understand each other. We don't hate each other because of who we are. Each nation has a reason to have hatred towards another, and we need to dig through those reasons, find answers, and try to educate those who do not know about us, and only see us as terrorists.
Does the name Hitler ring a bell? I know people who hate others because of the color of their skin or their religion or where they were born. As for the U.S. having bases in other countries; lots of those countries asked us to be there to 'protect' them from invasion of by other countries.Quote:
Originally posted by petsbestern
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Honestly, I do not believe anyone anywhere in the world would hate anyone just because of who they are. That just doesn't make sense. dominate it.
I find it very interesting that many of those who choose to pick this forum as a platform from which to vent their anit-American diatribes are too cowardly to post where they are from??? Interesting calculus.
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Originally posted by petsbestern
Mugsy, I don't think that is true. People don't hate us because of who we are. If we use our brains and wonder WHY they hate us, we will find many solutions.
I believe they hate us because:
1. We station our troops in every country we can get our hands on.
2. We support other governments that aren't democratic as long as they allow our troops to be stationed in their land, against the public's will. (I don't think we would be too happy if other countries suddenly decided they needed to install their troops in our country. I can see doing that when needed, but keeping our troops in the land of others for decades is IMHO wrong)
3. We are always concerned about our safety and how we feel and how our people feel, but we care little about the millions of people around the world that have been suffering for centuries, and many of them, because of us or because of nations we "harbor." (me included. I don't realize what they go through until it happens to us at home)
I
huh????
first of all the dislike for us comes from the goverments running the show (the religions play a SMALL part also..)
secular goverments are pretty neutral when you take a look at the map.
troops in "every country we can get our hands on"???? seems like they could kick us out any time they want....
the last country we took over was TEXAS. they put up a pretty good fight too (Texans, that was not a slam, rather an endorsement of your individuality!)
the fastest way to get a people under your thumb is to keep them uneducated and slowly feed them the pablum of your regime.....
yes there are millions of people suffering under a dictator/regime/
government....but every time the US steps in people go nuts and tell us we are bullies, terrorists and put troops in every country we can lay our hands on....
which way do you want it???????
people living in the shadows of US forces, to be protected in an oblique way or should we just butt out, pull everyone home and let the downtrodden suffer.....
yeah they may hate us because of our foreign policies, but when we make a policy, for the better of a country, we get hate for doing that job.......for me, if i am gonna be hated, let it be for something I have done, not sitting around trying to cover my rear, as some countries do.
you can't have it both ways.
I'm an American from the US and I believe I've mentioned that before. My family has been here for generations and I'm from Irish decent. I'm as American as any of you and how dare you say I'm anti-American! That is far from the truth! I love my country more than anything in the world. I was posting the reason why THOSE people hate us. They obviously see things differently than we do, and may not understand our government's purposes. I don't think they hate us because of who we are. They just understand things our government does in the negative direction. Understand my posts before speaking. I was born American and will die American. Some of the troops fighting are my cousins you know. You should really know what you are talking about before you speak. Not all Americans support this war. In fact, many many don't. :mad: :mad: :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by tatsxxx11
I find it very interesting that many of those who choose to pick this forum as a platform from which to vent their anit-American diatribes are too cowardly to post where they are from??? Interesting calculus.
How can you compare millions and millions of civilians to Hitler? They have something instilled in their minds that causes them to hate us. They don't understand us, and we don't understand them. Its as simple as that. They view us as terrorists, we view them as terrorists. We are both wrong and need to understand each other. The mass population of the US are wonderful people, and I'm sure its the same in other parts of the world. We just haven't been their and met those people ourselves. The media says they hate us, but how do we know how many of them really do? I think we all need to visit that part of the world to see before we make our judgements. I really hope I can go and see those people and how they really think sometime in my life.Quote:
Originally posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Does the name Hitler ring a bell? I know people who hate others because of the color of their skin or their religion or where they were born. As for the U.S. having bases in other countries; lots of those countries asked us to be there to 'protect' them from invasion of by other countries.
Sandra, I'm laughing, I was thinking the same thing, I wondered why people did not put where they were from too. LOL Oh I'm sure we will hear a good reason, lol.
FROM PETSBESTERN
3. We are always concerned about our safety and how we feel and how our people feel, but we care little about the millions of people around the world that have been suffering for centuries, and many of them, because of us or because of nations we "harbor." (me included. I don't realize what they go through until it happens to us at home)
Do you watch the news or read newspapers? Have you heard what the Iraqi people have been going through, have you heard how many of our Brits and Americans have got killed trying to save these people? Have you read about the humanitarian efforts by our men and women in the service? Have you read they are giving the Iraqi's food when their own leader turned off their water and they are out of food? Where have you been?
Jackie
You missed my point. You said you didn't think people would hate us because of who we are. Hitler hated people because they were Jewish (aka who they were). I wasn't compairing millions of people to Hitler. I was pointing out to you people do hate others because of who they are!Quote:
Originally posted by petsbestern
How can you compare millions and millions of civilians to Hitler? They have something instilled in their minds that causes them to hate us. They don't understand us, and we don't understand them. Its as simple as that. They view us as terrorists, we view them as terrorists. We are both wrong and need to understand each other.
So please enlighten me on what you call people who fly planes into buildings and kill thousands of people because of who they are and what they represent because these people are the evil American infidels. These people aren't terrorists?